Anyone watching Maddow ?! US Cities were given a black list of Russian IP address's !!!!

[YCHDT]

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... Dallas county were hit by 17 of the Russian IP address !!!!

She's explaining how the Russians don't have to hack the individual machines but hit the voter files purging voters where people couldn't vote if they wanted to or just making it harder for them to vote.

After a counties voter roll software is accessed there could be very tactical purging of voters in large Dem areas to lower the count of dem voters state wide.

Just like Florida 2000 and please people stop with the "people would've complained" ... NO THEY WOULD NOT ... they didn't in Florida in 2000 !!!

This is big, ... people on DU have been saying this for months that there are more than one way to hack the election from out side than hacking individual voting machines


HACK THE VOTER ROLLS !!!

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EDIT: Now she's reporting how NC VR systems poll book software were attacked !!! 8 Durham Precincts mostly democratic !!!!


ITS USUALLY DEMOCRATIC AREAS THAT HAVE THESE ISSUES !!!

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EDIT: Anyone remember how Rove acted in 2012 on Fox News !?!? He acted like Ohio was in the bag, didn't some shit go down in Ohio in 2004 that was slick ?! Like people not being able to vote !?

I would put some good money on it that the GOP has been doing some of this shady shit for a while

[Mrs. Overall]

1. I'm watching it--very amazing news about Dallas and how our voting system

is not centralized.

I'm so thankful for her show and actual investigative reporting.

Yes, the scope of the Russian attack is staggering (now up to 21 states per Homeland security) and this is being under-reported.

[YCHDT]

5. What's fucked up about Dallas County is there are 4 other counties around it that are part of DFW &

... those counties are red.

That should blow peoples fucking minds !!!

DFW is a twin city with Fort Worth having more permanent residents than Vegas ... Mid City DFW is about as liberal as Austin!!

That's like having Manhattan blue and all the surround burros red !! That should NOT happen ... something is fucked up ... no way someone would accept a red Brooklyn or a red Queens NY !!

This shit has been going on for a while ... something is fucked up and the DNC as a whole is too quite !!

HRC did kick some ass in Houston though ... kicked some serious ass but those counties stayed red or purpled ...

Texas is ground zero for how fucked up our voter system is

[Mrs. Overall]

9. You are right--it just doesn't make sense.

I can't wait until all of this is fully investigated and we find out the extent of how much our voting system has been manipulated to favor republicans.

[MarcA]

29. Actually it is accurate.

Dallas County has a large growing minority population. When you think of "Dallas"
think instead of Collin County to the north. It has a population nearing one million,
very white, very conservative and to a large extent filled with people who used to
be in Dallas. Denton County to the north of DFW is a slightly smaller version of
Collin County. Kaufman, Rockwall and Hunt Counties to the east, while smaller still,
are the same basic make up. Greenville, Hunt County county seat, had signs to about
1960 advertising it as having "the blackest land and the whitest people". Tarrant County
(Fort Worth, Arlington and good part of the "mid-cities&quot is very demographically
different than Dallas County. Have no idea how anyone could believe that the Mid-Cities
are as "liberal" as Austin. Not even close. UT-Arlington is the most conservative campus
in the UT system.

[YCHDT]

31. That's DFW north & east of 635 while Grand Prairie, Mansfield, Duncanville, east Arlington, east FW

.. should demographically be solid blue.

The cities NORTH of 635 and south of the 287 / 360 junction are of course red ... like most other cities

Bottom line there's no good reason why one of the largest metro areas in the US has only one solid blue county... FW is a city bigger than Vegas and its red

[MarcA]

33. Good Points

and thank you for the response. Hopefully, Tarrant County can become Blue as Dallas
County has for the past couple of decades. I really don't see Mansfield as going blue
anytime soon. As for FW - it ain't no Vegas

[YCHDT]

34. lol ... you're right about FW it reminds me of a really big Bakersfield CA. I can see Arlington goin

... blue.

[Liberal In Texas]

40. Collin County, to the north of Dallas County is starting to turn blue

much to the concern of the GOP up there.

"Conservatives are still king in Collin County — for now — but a steady influx of new residents from traditionally Democratic states has local Republicans sounding the alarm about a "possible Californization" of the area."
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/collin-county/2017/02/17/steady-growth-local-republicans-sounding-alarm-possible-californization-collin-county

"Anyone who moves to Collin County for a conservative utopia will be disappointed."
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/06/08/anyone-moves-collin-county-conservative-utopia-will-disappointed

[YCHDT]

41. Collin County has McKinney and Plano West right? If so I can see why they're concerned, its...

... becoming a lot more diverse there than what they want.

Good, I pray this Russia hacking purging shit is nipped in the bud ...

GOP has nothing else but cheating, horrible leadership and a horrible message ... somehow "you sick? THEN DIE !!! " is getting voted for over and over

[Liberal In Texas]

43. McKinney and Plano are in Collin County

A little of Plano extends into Denton County.

[rainbow4321]

72. Yep....and the Collin County repukes are scared

I participated in GOTV in 2008. It was amazing. Long lines of people at registration booths...we hit everywhere...from outside grocery stores to our city balloon festival.
When I went to vote in the 2008 Dem primary it was a TWO HOUR process because of the crowds.
Prior years, it was in/out in minutes. It was so crowded that I had 2 parking choices: park illegally on the paved parking lot or out in the muddy, wet field. I picked the field and a fellow driver next to me joked we could share a tow truck expense if we both needed one.
Collin County Dems had to petition the State to get the County Dem convention switched to another day because the scheduled venue that was going to be used on the state mandated convention day was too SMALL for the expected number of people. I attended not because I was a delegate but because it was a historical moment for Collin County in terms of Dem showing up and making their voices heard. The convention lasted 24 hours. Yes, 24 hrs. When I left for work at 7am the next day (Monday) it was announced as just ending. Partly because County Dems were overwhelmed with the process and the crowds were historic. Not anything they had ever dealt with on the Democratic side in Collin County.

And we scared the shit out of the County repubs. One guy with "Palin" stitched on his polo shirt literally stalked us at the balloon festival. He stood across the sidewalk with a sour face literally monitoring our every move. Why? Because he/they hoped we would do something illegal and he/they would be justified in shutting down our registration booth. They knew the long, long lines at the booths for voter registration were NOT because of McCain/Palin. And it scared the hell out of them.
That was all in 2008. Since then, Collin County has only gotten more diverse.

[Shell_Seas]

68. Should be.

But are not.

[Shell_Seas]

67. Arlington

It is VERY conservative. I mean, like, very, very, very.

[tazkcmo]

11. and Niro fiddles.

Shit Gibbon denies it all happened while the GOPee is too busy masturbating to Ayn Rand interviews to give a shit.

[YCHDT]

15. That's some fucked up shit !!! This is empirical reporting of how the county systems can check a ...

... black list of Russian IP address's and the asshole in the White House is saying 'tis but a scratch'

fuckin complicit asshole we have in the white house... I don't believe its just his ego either, he knows what's up

People here have been saying for months that the machines don't have to be hacked ... its easier than that ... just hack the damn voter roles ...

[tazkcmo]

18. Oh he's dirty

And his little dog Pence, too!

[YCHDT]

21. I pray Mueller bust them wide open on this shit, Maddow's segment is proof positive that DHS gave

... granular level data to cities to check and there were positives, I'm sure Dallas County isn't the only county in the country that got hit with black list IP's from Russia.

even if I saw my system getting pinged from that list I'd be screaming to high heaven !!!

[skylucy]

2. I'm watching Rachel. Great reporting, as usual. Yep. There is more than

one way to hack and rig an election. Looks like the Russians (and I'll bet with help from Trump and his comrades) rigged it against the Democrats.

[YCHDT]

8. YEAP !!! She's making the point that these issues are usually happening in dem areas not red areas

[FM123]

3. Connecting the dots, big time!

[YCHDT]

12. Yes, this should be the staple answer to vote hacking; just show them this TRMS intro but the excuse

... I've been hearing lately is people would complain and of course some would but enough wouldn't that it would bring up big alarms like it did in Florida 2000.

The fuckers have gotten slick and know now to spread the purge throughout the districts.

I bet if someone did a pattern check the Russians (or the GOP) have gotten down to an 70 - 30 mix nationwide ...

No wonder Rove was acting funny in 2012 ... he really expected the Russians to come through in Ohio !!!

[maddiemom]

64. "Rove acting funny in 2012" was a really major tip-off.

The guy wasn't disappointed, or perplexed, or even just "surprised" in the way of honest partisan political prognosticators ( hey, not being "cute," but love the alliterative way that came out), Rove was flat-out astounded and absolutely sure the vote had to be wrong. No experienced political operative would ever display that level of astonishment unless he'd been absolutely assured that the fix was in.

[Auntie Bush]

79. I've been thinking that for years. The creeps did the same thing with the

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Bush election. I remember watching them tell Bush That Gore won and he was in disbelief as he knew that wasn't possible. CROOKS! THEY ALL BELONG IN JAIL!

[Amaryllis]

4. THis has been in the media lately. So glad she is covering it.

We knew several months before the election they had targeted state databases; even MSM was covering that. Many of us said if they were doing that, they weren't doing it just to prove they could and then stopping there. I was telling my friends before the election that I thought they were going to hack it.


Maybe the Dems will stop analyzing what was wrong with their message or their candidate and finally take election reform seriously. THere is plenty of Repub tampering with voter reg databases as well. Our elections are extremely vulnerable.

Here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016187532

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016187627

[Crash2Parties]

6. Our system is prepared for this sort of thing; Congress should now investigate.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. And oh, try the veal, I hear it's fantastic!

[Mrs. Overall]

7. Adam Schiff on now talking about the Russian cyber attack and

that it is being investigated.

[Madam45for2923]

14. He did a great job at the Senate Intelligence hearing. Did not let Gowdy's crap stand

[zz-la]

10. But the media, not Rachel, but the other media has known about this for a while

During the election when the DNCC computers were hacked the Media made a conscious effort to not cover it in depth, but went head first in the shallow end of the Hillary email scandal. We need to clean up and out the media in this country and get the corps out of the practice of controlling the information that is allowed on "our" airwaves. Getting sick and tired of this.

[YCHDT]

13. I pray for her life, this is the first time I've heard reporting on black list check for IP address

... and a huge dem county be hit with 17 of the IP address's.

[zz-la]

16. She is definitely one of the few good ones

Along with John Oliver, they are a blessing. I too pray for her. She has the brains and the voice and that is a target to some. I am sure that they are trying to figure out a way to shut her down, after the numbskull over at Faux News failed in his little boycott, so they have to be thinking of something else.

[Lonestarblue]

17. Maddow reporting what has already been reported in Texas.

I made a comment recently on another DU story about Dallas County being hacked but the surrounding counties of Collier and Tarrant, both very red, not being hacked. I wanted to know whether an analysis was being made of which counties were hacked (only Republican or both), but I was chastised here for havng an unsubstantiated claim that the Russians may have had U.S. help to determine such detailed information as to which counties are heavily Republican or Democratic. I'm happy that Rachel is now bringing this to the public because it has been in the news here in Texas for the past couple of weeks, including which counties had attempted hacks. Heavily Republican counties reported no contacts. The RNC database would have included information about voter preferences, though I am not claiming that they shared it with Russia. It's just that I do not believe in the coincidence of Russia finding such detailed information on their own.

[tazkcmo]

24. They shared it with Russia.

They got in bed with them, had sex with them, got peed on by them and now carry Putin's love child in Conway's womb that was removed and attached to life support machinery in the House basement. We haven't heard much about Rosneft yet we will as they dig deeper into the money trail and Carter Page.

[YCHDT]

25. You know, there's a small faction on DU that keep telling people "these are not the droids you've

.... you've been looking for" when it comes to this issue.

Focusing on "no proof" of individual machine hacking instead of a global level hacking that's already been reported and the effect that it could have on an election.

I just don't believe for a second that the Russians would hack state and local electoral boards as it said in the IC report and then walk away from all that data.

[Amaryllis]

85. Exactly. Been saying that for months. It's no-brainer.

[RT Atlanta]

19. Similar type issues noted in Atlanta yesterday on local news

And virtually all were in DeKalb County (the only county Ossoff won).

[YCHDT]

22. WOW WTF !?!?! Voter role purge? thanks

[leftieNanner]

30. I'm not surprised

Unverifiable machines in Georgia. We are 100% vote by mail in Oregon. I hope the Dems pass a law some day that requires all federal elections use paper ballots. Some day ... sigh...

[JoeOtterbein]

20. We need to repeat, over and over: "ALL elections must be with paper ballots and MUST be audited"

there I go again!

[cpamomfromtexas]

56. You are absolutely correct.

[MiddleClass]

23. This can get interesting

Stay tuned

[Catmusicfan]

26. I am so glad she is covering it but what she needs to do is have Greg Palast on her show

And congress needs him to testify. He reported about this a while ago.

[wildeyed]

27. What is hilarious is that the NC GOP is certain that Durham precinct issues were because

DEMOCRATS committed voter fraud to swing the election to Governor Cooper. Those precincts were audited TO DEATH because NC GOP challenged them and refused to concede the governor's race even after it was obvious they lost.

Democracy NC also posted an article refuting any claims of tampering. I can go find it if anyone is really interested in facts. I dunno what Maddow is saying about NC, but from your post, sounds really off base, at least pertaining to NC.

[YCHDT]

28. She showed a clip of the NC local media reporting there was something wrong with the voting

... process.

I don't know which election it was from though, I don't know if it was from 2016 but that's typical when it comes to GOP; they do some wrong shit then point at dems

[wildeyed]

32. I would need to see the clip to understand exactly what they said.

But yeah, there was a problem. Electronic devices that check voters in malfunctioned so they switched to paper. NC GOP freaked completely out because the Durham early vote came in really late. Durham/Chapel Hill is a huge college area that goes Democratic. So NC GOP thought they were running way ahead of forecasts because so many Dems vote early and usually the early totals hit first. There was big disappointment when those blue votes were counted late and it turned out that McCrory lost.

They audited those totals TO DEATH. The GOP screamed about voter fraud. They refused to concede the election. Then they scream more about fraud. The NC GOP operatives STILL mutter about it constantly on Twitter. But even the GOP-appointed head of the board of elections told the McCrory and his GOP goons to piss off. No way the GOP would have asked for all of those recounts and scrutiny if THEY were they perpetrators of election fraud in Durham.

Here is an article about the malfunction in Durham: http://abc11.com/politics/many-frustrated-by-durham-voting-problems/1598952/

Here is the article I mentioned that states NC was NOT hacked. It was posted by a democracy group that has deep and legitimate roots in NC: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/north-carolina/articles/2017-06-19/check-for-russian-hacking-efforts-find-no-nc-targets

The GOP did steal the elections in NC. But they did it with propaganda, gerrymandering and voter suppression. It's like we found a dead body with the murder weapon right there beside it, but people keep looking for the murder weapon. It's RIGHT THERE. We KNOW how they did this.

Are they THINKING about tampering with the actual vote in the future? Absolutely! But there is not credible poof that it happened in 2016, at least none that I have seen yet.

[BadgerMom]

35. K & R

Determining and reporting that this isn't random, that it was microtargeted at Democratic areas, is so important. It's piecing together the puzzle and making sense of this on a national stage. Kudos, Ms. Maddow!

[YCHDT]

37. Yeap, I would bet there is a lot more cities like Dallas County that was hit with the blacklist of

... Russian IP address's.

I think this is the specifics folk have been waiting for, I've not read or heard one account of black listed Russian IP's being detected hitting city level systems for the sake of purging.

[wildeyed]

36. Also, people would have complained.

In NC we had poll monitors deployed EVERYWHERE. We lawyered up too, because they almost got a voter ID bill through that would have made huge problems at the polls. We were watching them like a freaking hawk. After the election, turnout numbers for every single precinct were dissected and examined for anomalies by actual professionals who do that kind of thing for a living. NAACP, Democracy NC and LWV all have lawsuits over the rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering in our state. Many of these cases will go to the Supreme Court. You don't show up at SC with shoddy numbers if you want to win. So we are paying close attention.

If people were getting turned away, WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN.

[YCHDT]

38. This may not be 2016, she showed a clip of local NC station claming there were issues with the votin

... voting there in 8 different precincts but not the year

[Maraya1969]

39. I remember 2000 election night showing Bush at home when they called FL

for Gore. He jumped out of his seat and said, "I don't believe it, this is not right" (paraphrased)

They had set up the Palm Beach Bush, Buccahan, Gore butterfly ballot where so many seniors, (many Jewish who would NEVER vote for Buchanan) ended up voting for Buccahan because his ticket was second but off to the side.

It was really despicable what they did. And that was only one way they cheated in FL

[TheFrenchRazor]

51. i remember that; W seemed to "know" that FL wasn't going for Gore. it seemed very strange at the t

at the time, because as far as everybody else knew, there was not reason to doubt the polls/network calls. prior to 2000, these had been very accurate. ever since then, not so much, but there are many people right here on DU who are in a major state of denial about the security/legitimacy of our elections.

[we can do it]

42. Yes there was shady shit in Ohio in 2004.

[lindysalsagal]

63. I watched Cayahoga county go red: it's blue.

I remember that.

[oasis]

44. Repeating now.

[Bonx]

45. OMG. I knew it was hacked!

[LenaBaby61]

46. Dems thinking that we get revenge in 2018 & 2020 against thuglicans ...

Think again ....

We know it will NOT be easy OP, especially if we're having to go up against gerrymandering, voter-crosschecking, voter-purging on steroids anyway and NOW the third rail of cheating machine for the GOP: The ruskies. I live in the deep blue state of California. How in the hell do I know the ruskies won't start messing with us HERE? Cliff Watts/Malcolm Nance said that they've never stopped meddling, whatever that meddling is. Who knows if they're working on meddling with Dem data bases in blue states like New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington State, Maryland and yes California? I know that MI, PA, WI, AZ, NC was meddled with, and that's HOW tRumputin managed to win those states by just "enough." NOBODY can tell me any different. Our voting system is decentralized for a reason. But, WHO'D have ever thought that would be a drawback? How an we run own what the ruskies are meddling around WITH in our voting system? We may never really KNOW where where hacks, meddling etc. came from until AFTER or NEVER thuglicans increase their margins in the Senate & House in 2018 if AG beauguard has anything to do with it. What happens in 2020 if they once again win the presidency with help from the ruskies? This installed president surely isn't going to call russia out for interfering in our elections. He wants their help. He's greedy for money and more than ready for the tRmputins, Kushers & his billionaire buddies to steal & grift. That ft cow won't and can't call the rukies out, because he's beholden to and a captive of putin, ruskie oligarchs, ruskie mobsters et al.

NO ruskie IP addresses ever show up in thuglican localities.

ruskie IP addresses did show up in DEMOCRATIC strongholds like Durham NC though?

Dems are in deep doodie. How can we EVER get a chance to vote thuglicans out of office if we don't have a fair voting system in which to do that?

thuglicans control the national government and everything about the voting process from registration to tallying the votes. Like they went through all of that trouble to make a FAIR system? I know I don't trust a tRumputin or his Department of Homeland Security to see to it that Dems vote on a fair playing field were our votes count in ANY election.

[Amaryllis]

84. Here:

Computer science expert to Senate Intel: voting technology highly hackable , must upgrade by 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029238382

[rainbow4321]

47. And...it was blue Houston that Russians wanted to monitor the polling stations

SOOOOOO happy that Rachel covered the Dallas County information! She was spot on about the political landscape. I lived in one of the (unhacked)red counties she referred to...recently moved but my new county is just as red, still north of Dallas.

Saw this article a while back...and given that Harris County/Houston is one of the blue Texas areas, it's making sense the Russians had their noses in stuff down there, too.

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/21/texas-russian-official-dont-tread-our-polling-plac/

Texas Secretary of State Carlos Cascos has said no to Russian officials’ request to watch Texans vote, according to correspondence obtained by The Texas Tribune.

“Please note that only persons authorized by law may be inside of a polling location during voting. All other persons are not authorized and would be committing a class C misdemeanor crime by entering,” Cascos wrote last month in a letter to Alexander K. Zakharov, the Russian consul general in Houston. “We are unable to accommodate your request to visit a polling station."

Cascos was responding to Zakharov’s request, dated Sept. 24, that Texas allow someone in his office inside a polling station on Election Day “with the goal of studying the U.S. experience in organization of voting process.”

In his letter, Cascos instead offered to arrange an informational meeting between the Russians and local officials. Alicia Pierce, Cascos' spokeswoman, said Friday that no such meeting was arranged.

[YCHDT]

57. You... are... f**kin ... kiddin ... me!! The Russians requested to watch the Texas votes in Harris?!

Why in the hell isn't the DNC screaming to high heaven ?!

[Leith]

48. The Scariest Part of All?

They got access to a list of information on 198 million voters. Names, addresses, phone numbers, party affiliation. All out on the internet for anyone to download. No password necessary. Placed there by John DeStafano, now head of personnel in the shitgibbon administration.

I want to see these thugs in jail.

[oasis]

49. John DeStafano. Trump dare not claim he doesn't know him. nt

[YCHDT]

58. I saw that tonight, its like they wanted to put all the information out there so they can say the

... Russians have everything now and no one is going bat shit so we did nothing wrong in 2016 by letting them have dem information before the election.


Sounds like a big CYA

[RockCreek]

50. K and R nt

[Lee-Lee]

52. In this day and age if people were being removed from rolls it would be obvious

And Racheal is smart enough to know this.

First, people will complain. Loudly. It's easier now than ever before. Yet we have not heard anything.

Second, the voter rolls are public record. They are not a secret. The DNC, states level parties and county level all download the latest updated lists at least weekly. And the list used to make the final books for Election Day is public record.

If names were being purged it would be both obvious and very detectable since they have all the data that they had been constantly downloading.

The only way this could be true is that even with months of knowing they targeted voter rolls the DNC at every level was too incompetent to look at the data they have and point it out.

There is no way the voter rolls were hacked and nobody noticed.

[YCHDT]

59. Again, it happened in 2000!! People didn't know then and didn't complain until AFTER the election!!

... so to your point people would know AFTER all is said and done and we've lost.

The whole point here is they can tactically screw with enough dem districts to make the margin closer than it should be ...

There is no way the voter rolls were hacked and nobody noticed.

Unless there's a digital comparative THAT NIGHT (not a human one !!) who in the world would know ?!?!?

Again, this was all done in 2000 where 20,000 were purged and it wasn't noticed until AFTER the election !!!

The digital systems have NOT ... NOT changed 100% from Florida 2000 and the non digital systems isn't even comparable since there could be ... NO.... ON THE SPOT minute by minute comparative check with a read only non resident file or some similar.

[Lee-Lee]

62. It's after the election. Has anyone complained of it?

Anyone at all?

You keep going back to 2000. We have a much more recent example in the NY primary when people actually were wrongly removed from
The rolls.

And it was a big ducking deal. We all heard about it.

Because it happened and was very obvious.

There is no way that it happened in enough scale to influence the outcome of the general election and nobody has noticed even to this day. To believe somehow hundreds of thousands of people were stricken from the rolls and nobody has noticed is delusional.

[YCHDT]

80. I don't know about complaints from MI or NC but we do know about Cross check

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/14/1599330/-Crosscheck-Removed-450K-Voters-in-MI-270-K-in-AZ-and-590-K-in-NC

That's empirical data, that's not guessing or conjecture.

[Shell_Seas]

69. Throughout every election here in Texas (local, state, national)

For at least the last several years, I have seen countless news stories of people being turned away from polls. Mostly related to voter ID laws. So, because of that, it could have easily happened, IMO.

Here are a few from the 2016 election:

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/A-report-from-a-voting-rights-advocacy-group-shows-that-hundreds-of-Texas-voters-were-delayed-or-turned-away-entirely-during-the-2016-presidential-election-because-of-confusion-over-the-/id-ad68ca909e0a4e9496f68b384899036c

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2016/11/08/elections-officials-say-someone-may-mailed-dozens-fraudulent-ballots-elderly-west-dallas-voters

[Lee-Lee]

70. Neither of your links are about people being taken off the rolls

[Shell_Seas]

71. Agreed.

But if people were turned away, for whatever reason, how do we know that they weren't taken off? Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but "just because there is no evidence" doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Lee-Lee]

73. Because you get told why you are turned away

And at every polling place there are Democrats working there as part of the system.

If you had tens of thousands of democrats turned away for not being registered who insisted they had registered it would have been noticed.

To insist it could go unnoticed in the scale required to change the outcome of the election is to say that the Democratic Party on the county, state and national levels and every watchdog group out there who watches for voter suppression are all so incompetent they didn't notice a very obvious and impossible to conceal problem.

[Shell_Seas]

74. Thanks for the clarification.

[Shell_Seas]

78. There there is this...

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/338971-election-hackers-successfully-altered-voter-rolls-report

[YCHDT]

81. THAT'S IT !!! BOOKMARKED !!!! No one is going to convince me the Russians took a look at the

... voter rolls, turned away and said fuck it leave all this data here.

NO ONE!!!

[Lee-Lee]

86. And it was detected and the changes fixed

So in other words it wasn't a successful hack.

It didn't impact voting.

[YCHDT]

91. For that one instance

[Lee-Lee]

92. And as I have said if it actually affect elections it would be obvious

You can't hide tens or hundreds of thousands of properly registered voters suddenly turned away for not being registered.

You can't hide the data where previous lists that the party had would have names that didn't show on the Election Day lists that the party has and analysts pour over.

You can't hide it if it was done. We would know.

[YCHDT]

93. ... and I have said it wasn't obvious in 2000 until after the election was over so you're factually

... wrong.

If you have any evidence that people KNEW the purging would effect Florida BEFORE the election was over I'm willing to hear but for months the "America's election system is perfect, don't question it dammit" faction of DU hasn't shown us anything.

Not saying you're a part of aforementioned faction.

[Lee-Lee]

94. I'm not saying it would necessarily be detected before

But since voter rolls are frozen long enough before the election I expect the DNC and voter watchdog groups to be competent enough to see it. Especially since we were told before the election it was possible.

They should be comparing the final voter rolls published by the states a week or two before Election Day with earlier versions of the database. I can't fathom that the DNC wouldn't be doing that. The lessons of 2000 should be obvious, I don't expect they have not learned anything from that.

But even so that we haven't seen any indication after, so it clearly didn't happen in the last election, at least not to any meaningful degree.

[YCHDT]

96. "I can't fathom that the DNC wouldn't be doing that." Good point but they did NOT do this in 2000.

It was outside groups that detected the high amount of purging in one area and I doubt they made the same mistake of concentrating the purging like they did in 2000.

I'd like to see a definitive NO, there was no purging nation wide ... there's no rational and logical reason to trust the GOP, Russians or Trump

[mnhtnbb]

53. I live in Chapel Hill, NC and I thought there was something fishy in our vote totals

the day AFTER the election.

We had a Supreme Court judge position open and I thought it was really strange that the (black) guy running for the position--who had practically ZERO budget for advertising vs the (white) Repub guy had ads all over TV --had such a huge win on a down ballot vote when both Trump and Burr pulled out victories. Republicans are known to down ballot vote, while Dems usually don't mark all races (and the Repubs got rid of straight party voting prior to this election in NC). So how does the SC Justice position Repub end up with half a million fewer votes than the vote totals for Trump/Burr? But the unknown Dem guy ends up with vote totals more in line with the vote totals for Clinton/Ross?

I could see the narrow win for Cooper happening for Gov because McCrory was so intensely disliked by so many people. But I did not understand--at all--how a down ballot, unadvertised, judge pulls out such a big win when that distribution of votes didn't come close to reflecting the votes for President and Senator.

It still seems very fishy to me.



Here are the totals:


Donald J. Trump REP 2,362,631

Hillary Clinton DEM 2,189,316

Gary Johnson LIB 130,126

Jill Stein (Write-In) 12,105

Write-In (Miscellaneous) 47,386


US Senator

Richard Burr REP 2,395,376

Deborah K. Ross DEM 2,128,165

Sean Haugh LIB 167,592


Associate Justice NC Supreme Court (no party affiliation is given for these positions on the ballot)

Michael R. (Mike) Morgan 2,157,927 (the guy with no advertising budget, black man, supported by Dem Party)

Robert H. (Bob) Edmunds 1,803,425 (the white guy--clearly Republican connected--with ads all over TV and clear name recognition)


http://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/08/2016&county_id=0&office=FED&contest=0

[barbtries]

54. interesting

i live in Durham NC and am attending the BOE meeting tonight.
eta: i have to work right up until the meeting but will attempt to do some research on the Durham connection in case it isn't covered.

[YCHDT]

61. There was a clip she showed about the precincts, the talk on this issue from Durham would be interes

[Vinca]

55. She also pointed out that the GOP district next door wasn't hit by the attacks.

I'm wondering if anyone is looking at the companies that make voting machines which I believe are mostly Republican owned. The easiest way to swing an election would be to monkey with the software. One vote for me equals minus two votes for you.

[YCHDT]

60. She said in the beginning of the segment that they don't have to screw with the vote tabulation ...

... process that would be too obvious. They would just make sure certain people can't vote in certain precincts and shave 2% here 5% here 7% here and no one would notice or complain till after the election like Florida 2000.

I've always wondered how in the world FW could vote red with east Arlington and Grand Prairie being like McKinney and West Plano ... where the GOP knows its going to change because the number of blacks and Hispanics with voting power there.

[rainbow4321]

65. If he ONLY won in the crown Repub jewel of TX by NINE

There is NO WAY IN HELL she lost the historically official swing states. No way in hell.

In the 30 yrs I've lived in TX, no matter the outcome of the overall POTUS national results, this was one of the narrowest Repub wins.
I looked back at the general election results on the SoS website just now. You have to go back to both of President Clinton's elections to get down to low single digit losses. After that, it's all mid teens to 30 percent difference. Did that also run thru Trump's mind? How close the race was in TX when Pres Clinton ran? Given how narrow the polls were pre election in TX this time around...and there was a Clinton involved now...it had to have had alarmed his campaign.

So what does he do...get the Russians to try hacking blue Dallas County. Send them to ask local Houston election officials if Russian officials there could "monitor" Houston polls (see my other post up thread). Yes, I say HE/his people instructed them. Because how else would the Russian hackers know blue vs red..without help from the campaign itself.
Because, hey, who would question the Repub crown jewel state "going red", right???

[bucolic_frolic]

66. Until Dems find a way to reciprocate

with their own hackers, this will continue

Politics is a dirty game and the best revenge is delivered cold, on a post-election morning

[FakeNoose]

90. Or they can just shut down the internet for one day

That would keep the Russians out, right?

[jmg257]

75. Wow if only some of the thousands and thousands of people who

Couldn't vote would just say something!

Anyone?

[Eliot Rosewater]

76. Trump did not win any of those 4 states. I knew that the day after the election.

How this was stolen exactly, well we are finding out arent we.

He is not the president and we cant survive ANY republican in the WH.

[niyad]

77. not sure when it started, but one glaringly early example was bush the lesser winning

against Ann Richards, when she was at around 60% approval on election day.

max cleland losing to saxby chambliss was another.

and doesn't grassley own, or had a major share in, one of the voting machine companies?

[YCHDT]

82. Yes, the polling in the US is very scientific and could be reverse anylized but NEVER IS when the...

... numbers are this fucked up in the end.

Its always, a "well, there are voters who didn't want to say whatever" ... bull shit

Texas is ground zero for hacking I bet, the state is way more liberal and diverse than people think

[Amaryllis]

83. The one good thing about the Russia hacks is it is calling attention to what computer

scientists have been screaming about for years.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029238382
Computer science expert to Senate Intel: voting technology highly hackable , must upgrade by 2018

[LiberalLovinLug]

87. Grassroots Dems have been increasingly raising alarms for years. Meanwhile....

Nancy, and the rest of the Dem establishment raise a collective yawn about it.

I am so perplexed why they have not been more militant about election fraud, even way before the Russians were found to be colluding with the GOP.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

88. I'm one of those voters in Durham.

I guess my vote didn't count anyway, then.

[jmg257]

89. You didn't get to vote??

[Fantastic Anarchist]

101. I voted but according to OP, it may not have counted.

[riversedge]

95. msn is quiet about this.

[rockfordfile]

97. The Russians and Republicans are still working together. They did it in Georgia.

Russian propaganda supported the republican candidate.

[Gothmog]

98. Rachel did a good job last night

[trof]

99. But investigators are very careful to say "No votes were changed".

OK, maybe not IN the machines, but how many were not allowed to vote because of Russian hacking?
How many votes were changed BEFORE the voting booth by group targeted 'fake news'?
Remember the child trafficking ring run by Hillary and others in the basement of the pizza place?

[Iplayoneontv]

100. Uh it's general knowledge a bunch of Republican governments

Went on a voter purging spree within recent times. All these coincidences.