Bernie was in the same ads as Pelosi

[BainsBane]

that the GOP ran in the GA-06. Yet the people insisting that Nancy "go away" to make room for a "new face" would pillory anyone who suggested the same thing about Bernie.

So how can people justify that kind of hypocrisy? Is it that they do not believe that all people are equal and should be held to the same standards? Or is the loss in Georgia a golden opportunity to resurrect old resentments?

You know, people get tired of being lectured at about losing when those doing the lecturing haven't won a single race, even in liberal districts, and have underperformed other Democratic candidates.

Just because some are certain that their ideas are superior doesn't make it so, particularly when they have no successes to point to. Such a posture clearly isn't about improving the party's electoral prospects since they can't claim to have contributed any successes. So what is it about?

[JI7]

1. to me this shows that it is about culture and many men relate to conservative men

on where certain people should stand in society.

we see this on race, lgbt issues and other things also.

[Cha]

2. Oh really.. Well how about that! "..Bernie was in the same ads as Pelosi.."

"You know, people get tired of being lectured at about losing when those doing the lecturing haven't won a single race, even in liberal districts, and have underperformed other Democratic candidates."

"Tired"? Way Over IT! Beyond.

Mahalo for the info, Bains

[Cha]

4. Oh yeah.. better to not.. We believe it.

Those who want to see it.. can look it up for themselves.

[Hekate]

5. Kickin' this

[sheshe2]

6. You know what I find sad...

On DI, I see them ridiculing her for her looks and botox and very ugly photo shopped pictures. They never ever go after the man that way. Not surprised Bernie was featured and only Nancy, a woman was told to go away.

[betsuni]

7. K&R

[rpannier]

8. The republikkans use pelosi in 75-85% of their ads when races are tight

They seldom use Sanders
In addition, Sanders is NOT in the House, so he would not be leader of the House.
Run through the country and poll people on how they feel about Nancy Pelosi being Speaker, the numbers are small that do.
Your support is admirable, but there is no hypocrisy here.
The republikkans have been using Pelosi to turn independents away from Democratic House candidates for about a decade

Though you have a much stronger argument in your final half/quarter of your argument. Especially your final paragraph

K&R
It's worth the discussion

[BainsBane]

10. What does her being in the House have anything to do with the criticism?

All I hear are cries for a "fresh face." leader does. Her being in the House as opposed to the Senate is absolutely irrelevant. Your criticism has nothing to do with the functioning of the House. None of the arguments do. Your comments do nothing to disprove my comments about hypocrisy.

I have no doubt the GOP would like a new minority leader. Pelosi has been an enormously effective leader and kept the Democratic caucus in line. She stands in the way of Trump's agenda being passed. You all want a "new face," yet show absolutely no concern about how that person would be able to keep the caucus from peeling off and voting with the GOP. That is Pelosi's job, and she's a hell of a lot better at it than most who have held the position in either party. Yet all we hear is how some want a "new face," as though politics were about entertaining television audiences.

Fortunately for the party and the country, House leadership positions are voted on by congress, not Nielsen ratings. The reason for that is they actually know what the speaker's job is and the kinds of skills that are necessary to carry it out.

This is the ad. Bernie is featured more prominently than Pelosi is in it.

The one that comes after features them both together as "liberal party bosses."

If the party is going to make decisions according to GOP ads, that takes Bernie out as well.

[JustAnotherGen]

11. Wow

I have not seen this before now.

[BainsBane]

13. Not exactly decrying the establishment

Is it?

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Nope - it sure isn't

[Demsrule86]

14. This would play into the hands of the GOP...it is what they want.

A more moderate speaker like Ryan would play ball and not be as good at keeping the house together to fight the GOP. We should not allow the GOP to dictate who are leaders are. And let me just say that there are places in this country where Trump is extremely unpopular. I don't see the GOP trying to resurrect his brand...Those who criticize the party and attack our leaders play into Trump's hands.I think Speaker Pelosi, is very good at her job. And it pains me to see Democrats criticize her. Tim Ryan should be ashamed, and I told him so...called his office.

[BainsBane]

27. Good for you

[Demsrule86]

15. So anyone the GOP deomonizes, we should just get rid of because they need to run the

Democratic Party and choose our leaders? Absolutely not. It is what they want Nancy is very effective. It is sad to see Democrats being played this way.

[Cha]

9. KICK for Nancy!

[Jamaal510]

12. K&R

[NCTraveler]

16. He is their great white male hope.

His base is a group who don't like how women and minorities have positioned themselves in the party.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029236820

[brer cat]

17. It's very sad when people who claim to be Democrats

grab rw talking points to make their case and adopt the republican-accepted behavior of in-your-face hypocrisy. Those who claim to want unity within the party should avoid both.

[Cha]

19. #StandWithNancy

Link to tweet

[mcar]

29. I stand with Nancy!

[Madam45for2923]

20. Bad faith!

[mcar]

21. I expect all those calling for Pelosi to step down

To post OPs calling for the same for Sanders. Otherwise they are hypocrites.

[NurseJackie]

22. OMG!! You're TOTALLY correct!

=================================
"So how can people justify that kind of hypocrisy?"
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You've totally nailed it! That's exactly what it is!

[MineralMan]

23. Yes. I've hear zero calls for Senator Sanders to step down.

Ironic.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. Many of the same people who note how Republican anti-Ossoff ads also used Bernie as a foil

...posted numerous threads here at DU attacking Bernie for not personally doing more to stand by Ossoff and overtly help his campaign. The best thing Sanders did for Ossoff in that race was to say that he didn't know if Ossoff was progressive, but that brought howls of protest here. Had Bernie tried to take the lead in promoting Ossoff more, there just would have been more attack ads against Ossoff featuring Bernie.

As far as I know Senator Sanders has not questioned Leader Pelosi's leadership, nor in an way called for her replacement. Do you have any instances of him doing so? And no, broad expressions about a need for the Democratic Party to reexamine it's priorities is in no way the same as calling for the replacement of a sitting leader in the House.

You are painting a very large group of people with a very broad brush by implying that Bernie Sanders is the fountainhead for all expressed dissatisfaction with the failure of Democrats to win more key races, or the questioning of current leadership when that occurs. It has been that way in American politics literally for centuries. It is often not fair but it is predictably knee jerk, and there are always some folks looking for an opportunity to move up through the ranks to higher leadership positions. That happens in both parties, typically after losing elections.

I support Bernie Sanders, that's no secret around here. But I also support Nancy Pelosi, and I make no secret of that either. Hence this OP that I posted here yesterday: "Nancy Pelosi has been an extremely effective leader"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029237169

I reject any suggestion that there is any dissonance in holding those views. Both are progressive leaders for America

[ismnotwasm]

25. K&R

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. White men are never blamed for their failures, it's always someone else's fault

the rest of us get blamed for things that we didn't have anything to do with.

[m-lekktor]

28. AAh I love a good whataboutism.nt

[BainsBane]

32. Lol

[LanternWaste]

33. Your consistent narrative is imaginative and creative, regardless of accuracy...

Your consistent narrative is imaginative and creative, regardless of accuracy...

[yallerdawg]

30. Reminder.

In Georgia - and all over the South - everyone knows Nancy Pelosi. She, Obama and H have been the Republican propaganda "face" of the Democratic Party for a decade!

Senator Sanders (I-VT), not so much.

Georgia Presidential Primary:

Hillary Clinton 71.3%, 543,008

Bernie Sanders 28.2%, 214,332

In the other primary, TV celebrity 1st place finish 38.8%, 501,707

With Obama and Hillary fading away, Pelosi is all that's left. Get rid of her, and the Republicans will HAPPILY target Bernie Sanders as the "socialist face" of the Democratic Party.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/primaries/georgia

[BainsBane]

34. Those so concerned with what the GOP focuses on

somehow manage to ignore that.

[yallerdawg]

35. We had a Blue Dog US Rep (Bobby Bright) for Montgomery AL who...

voted so consistently with Republicans between 2008 and 2010 that the Republican candidate Martha Roby who beat him in 2010 could only point to one thing he did - and it was enough!

He voted for Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker (so he could get committee assignments)! She pounded him on this vote!

It was the only "Democratic " thing Bobby Bright ever did in Congress!

[Gothmog]

31. K&R

[scipan]

36. aren't you dizzy from all that spinning?

[BainsBane]

37. Oh, do explain how this constitutes spinning

Please, proceed.

[BainsBane]

38. Feel free to elaborate.

any time now.