CBS Evening News leading with the Carrier Story

[Motownman78]

Watch him drop to low 30's now. THIS is what his supporters care about.

[still_one]

1. I was wondering if anyone in the media was going to follow up on this

[Demsrule86]

2. Good...people in Ohio are starting to turn on him too...thousands of auto workers laid off.

And Pres. dumb ass said he had increased jobs.

[Iggo]

3. His supporters only care about Team R beating Team D.

Really.

That's it.

[tazkcmo]

6. Bingo.

That's what we all need to remember. Even if they did turn against Shitgibbon, it would only be to embrace another wrong wing idiot. They will never vote Democratic and are quickly being taught not even to think of liberals as human by their handlers like Limpballs and The Coltergeist.

[Motownman78]

12. Than how did we get such

huge Majorities in 2006 and 2008? After 2008 there were more Dems in the house than Reps NOW. Those Dem voters from 2006 and 2008 haven't magically disappeared.

[RainCaster]

14. Gerrymandering quite simply

The GOP has raised that to the level of an art.

[pecosbob]

22. No...they've raised it to the level of a criminal conspiracy.

[pnwmom]

16. The Voting Rights Act expired in 2013, which led to the suppression of millions of votes. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Actually the VRA was renewed BUT

the SCOTUS threw out Section 4 of the VRA in 2013 (the list of states/counties/municipalities requiring "pre-clearance" by DOJ for changes in state voting requirements), which then invalidated Section 5 (the "pre-clearance&quot rules. The argument being that the list of states hadn't been updated in a long time and Congress needed to re-do it.

This then requires arguments for VRA violations strictly citing Section 2 (discrimination based on race, color, or language group), which is basically already a Constitutional Amendment (except for the language group part which seems to point to Hispanics who can be of any race), but only after the fact (once a change has already been made that might have a negative impact, vs stopping the egregious change before it happens). However if the plaintiff can prove that the locale had recent previous deliberate discrimination in voting rules changes, they might be able to invoke Section 3 to require a one-off pre-clearance.

[pnwmom]

24. Thanks for the clarification. The effect was the same. Rethug states took advantage of the

SCOTUS decision to pass Voter ID and other laws that suppressed millions of votes.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Exactly.

And it has been a nightmare. However I know back when that happened, there was discussion on DU about it agreeing that the list really does need to be updated (but knowing this congress would never do it). And that's because although most of the pre-clearance locations were generally in the south, a whole pile need to be added for other parts of the country like here in PA and in OH.

[tazkcmo]

18. No they haven't disapp.

They have been Diebolded, touch screened, gerrymandered, Voter ID'ed and voter roll purged and now Russian hacked and don't forger Kathleen Harrised. Also, 2006 and 2008 were brief rebounds from the minority attributable to Obama's popularity.

[DBoon]

20. Citizens United allowed unlimited anonymous funding

Spend enough on propaganda and you can convince people dog poop tastes good

[Cosmocat]

7. Yep

Decades of brain washing them about the evil liberal boogyman combined with a dogma of defending their never ending stream of indefensible disasters had devolved them to having no thought other than giving the middle finger to the evil liberal.

[leftstreet]

10. I think there's a difference between supporters and voters

I'm not convinced his most ardent supporters even voted. They're just happy to find themselves represented by someone with the same agenda - beating back 'liberals,' 'welfare queens,' 'foreigners,' etc

I suspect his voters are an entirely different matter. They probably expect him to deliver on his fake promises

[tazkcmo]

21. I live in Missouri, bordering Kansas.

Also in a very white, suburban part of an other wise diverse city, in N. Kansas City, Mo. Lots of living, breathing, walking but not thinking Shit Gibbon voters here and they are just like the ones you see saying stupid shit on TV. They may turn on this particular GOPee-er (Not likely) but never to a DemocRat!

Maybe your interactions with them have been different but the ones I USED to talk to respond to all criticism of Their Savior with "But Killary...!".

[LenaBaby61]

11. "His supporters only care about Team R beating Team D."

Exactly.

Some will blame Pres. Obama, not the hog-in-chief

[Dawson Leery]

25. And Democrats could learn the same.

[mythology]

27. If that was the case, why has his popularity dropped so much?

He got elected making promises he couldn't keep about jobs and bringing back manufacturing. Obama already brought manufacturing back (we're at all time high in terms of output), but that is done more and more by automation. The inability to fulfill that promise will have a negative impact on Trump's position.

[llmart]

4. Are we winning yet?

Or better yet, how's that MAGA thingy goin' for you Trump supporters in Ohio?

[HipChick]

5. Is there a link for the Carrier Story?

[Princess Turandot]

8. I think this is it...

Carrier Plant Where Trump 'Saved' Jobs Plans Layoffs: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141782493

[Leghorn21]

9. Here's one of many, HipChick:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/22/trumps-carrier-jobs-deal-is-just-not-living-up-to-the-hype.html

[HipChick]

13. Thank you!

[ffr]

15. With no guidence from Washington and not active government, there's nothing stopping them.

Despite Trump’s criticism, companies in Charlotte are sending more jobs overseas - 06/19/17

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article156623759.html#storylink=cpy

[madinmaryland]

17. His supporters only care that tRump is not a brown person or a female person. PERIOD.

FUCK THEM!

[Thrill]

19. Still waiting for all those coal jobs too

[Amaryllis]

28. What is the Carrier story? I was offline for most of the day...

[Motownman78]

29. The company whose jobs Shart-Gibbon "saved"

are being lost and the "deal" he made, well, the company took the money and invested in automation.

[erpowers]

31. Indiana Company Cutting Jobs

Do you remember when, shortly after the election, Donald Trump announced that he had completed a deal with Carrier and its parent company to keep about 1,500 jobs from leaving the United States for Mexico? Although the idea that Carrier would be layoffing hundreds of people was being whispered for a few weeks it became official yesterday. Yesterday, Carrier announced it would be laying off the people who had supposedly kept their jobs due to Trump. It was also announced that the money the company had received in the deal to keep the jobs had been used to help automate the Indiana plant.

[Amaryllis]

32. THanks.

[7962]

36. How the hell could that money NOT have been earmarked?

You dont give incentives without stipulations.
"Art of the bad deal"

[erpowers]

38. Apparently, It Happens A Great Deal

From what I have heard and read this is standard operating procedure. The only difference with this case is that it is getting attention because Donald Trump made such a big deal about striking this deal that was supposed to prevent job lose. Companies are often given money in order to get the companies to build their stores in cities in order to bring jobs to those cities. However, it seems most of the jobs that are promised never materialize. Some people have called for these deals to have claw back options where the cities would be able to demand a return of at least some of the money given to companies if the jobs promised do not get created.

[7962]

39. I'd certainly go along with that

I have no problem with incentives, but they should go for what they're intended

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. No big deal, actually.

They can find work in re-opened coal mines or the new steel mills.

Oh, wait..........

[DesertRat]

33. That's if they don't brush it off as "fake news"

[Achilleaze]

34. He lied to them

Repube liars suck

[n2doc]

35. His supporters only watch Fox

Everything else is 'fake news'

[mikeyDE]

37. won't make a difference

The bulk of his supporters couldn't care less about jobs and never believed he would/could save/create them, that was just a campaign gimmick. What they care about is keeping dark-skinned people down and people with vaginas out and building a wall. It's really that simple.