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Hillary Clinton Retweeted Topher Spiro
Forget death panels. If Republicans pass this bill, they're the death party.
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MontanaMama
(23,242 posts)Did anybody read the thread under her tweet? Deplorables abound.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)Just like those deplorables that follow Chelsea. Horrible people
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)MontanaMama
(23,242 posts)but I don't use it. The stress of even reading the tirades of deplorables just slays me. I don't think I have it in me to deal with them. Glad you can give them hell.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)"Where's the wall?" My next will be "Grab any pussy lately?"
I'm making too hard apparently. I could party with you, Ilsa... I just might have to dip my toe in the pond...
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)sheshe2
(83,354 posts)Old Terp
(464 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Their feeling about it is, "It's your own fault. You should have a better job so you could buy insurance. Not my problem."
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)They are griping now but the cost isn't as high as then, and at least now the coverage has to pay certain stuff and the insurance companies can't get away with not paying.
Also, the insurance back then would simply not pay. The can not get away with that now.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Obamacare plan part went into effect. I'm sure you keep hearing people refer to the skyrocketing costs of premiums. That is true.
My policy in 2013 (pre-individual policies) was $450 for decent insurance. High deductible ($5k?), $1 Million lifetime cap, decent drug list, decent provider list, a PPO. United Healthcare. Healthy female aged 59. I had many policies and insurers to choose from.
A similar policy now for me with $6k deductible, unlimited lifetime, HMO, narrow drug list, narrow provider list is about $800. Over 60 healthy female. Only one viable ins. co. to choose from.
The costs seem to have hit healthy middle class people the hardest, particularly if they are over 50.
It's possible that costs have lowered for people with high claims, since they had to pay more for premiums before, because of their high claims. Obamacare lets them get premiums that are not based on claims history. If they are young, their premiums will be especially low.
But the data shows that premiums since 2014 have skyrocketed. It's especially cruel to people who have done everything possible to be healthy, in part to keep medical costs down, but they get hit with super high premiums through no fault of their own, while others do not.
These healthy people started dropping out, unable to afford the premiums or unwilling to pay them, leaving way more high-claims people in the Obamacare individual market than low-claims people. The program needs a lot of healthy people in it, in order to work. This is a major flaw in the program. It needed to find a way to address this problem, so healthy people could afford the coverage or so it would be practical for healthy people to stay in it.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)We went to an HMO paying 500 a month, 15K deductible on each person and covered nothing.
I pay much less now. Preventative is covered, test are covered, prescriptions are covered.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)If you have an HMO with a $15k deductible per person, that's a catastrophic policy, which you probably did not have before. It's basically only good for a catastrophic illness. HMOs are less costly than PPOs, as well, which you may have had before. HMOs also come with much narrower drug and provider lists (that's partly why they're cheaper).
So you don't have the same thing you had before. My $450 to $800 jump in price was comparing similar policies for a person over 55.
I would have liked to get a catastrophic policy, but Obamacare prevents the selling of catastrophic policies to people over a certain age. So there was little I could do to get my premium down. The cheapest I could buy in 2017 was $800 for bronze HMO high deductible. I can't afford that, so get a subsidy. But I bought up this year. Wish I wouldn't have, but I can't change it.
Motownman78
(491 posts)When more health problems, like Osteoporosis occur.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Yes, Obamacare allows discrimination based on age, just like the GOP bill does.
Nothing magical happens to premiums at age 60, that I'm aware of. Anyone over 50 and then 55 gets hit with triple premiums, based on age alone.
I, BTW, do not have more health problems than a much younger person. I have less. I have no medical condition that requires medical care at all. I have mild arthritis, like most people over 45, but doesn't require medical attention.
"Insurers are set to raise the premiums for plans sold through HealthCare.gov by an average of 22 percent in 2017, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a report. This is approximately triple the percentage increase from 2015 to 2016, when premiums increased by 7.5 percent." http://abcnews.go.com/Health/health-care-premiums-rising-obamacare/story?id=43047190
2018: "premiums for "silver" plans (the most popular plans) are rising 18% next year, after a 12% increase this year." http://time.com/money/4826591/aca-premiums-cost-2018/
"individual market medical costs increased substantially between 2013 and 2015, up an estimated 69%. Third, 2014 insurer data shows that premiums for individual market Qualified Health Plans (QHPs), ACA-compliant plans certified to be sold on exchanges, were much higher than premiums for individual market non-QHPs, mostly plans in existence before 2014 that did not comply with the ACA." https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/07/28/overwhelming-evidence-that-obamacare-caused-premiums-to-increase-substantially/#665ff02715be
Add to the skyrocketing costs of premiums the fact that deductibles increased and networks narrowed, and that gives a picture of vastly increased costs, on average.
There are pockets of those who did not experience this high an increase, and those who experienced more.
Cost of premiums refers to the TOTAL cost of premiums, not just the part that the insured pays after a subsidy pays part of it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)for universal healthcare? (And remember -- no deductibles, no monthly premiums, no lifetime cap). Think about it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Our country has never had a plan for single payer. I guess it would be similar to Medicare?
Single payer is the way to go, but it's too late for me. I'll be on Medicare before this country gets single payer.
sheshe2
(83,354 posts)bucolic_frolic
(42,676 posts)I'm getting spam emails again about Hillary ... look at this, Hillary shocked, catch the video
This is a strategy. Donnie's in so much trouble they're trying to push the campaign buttons again