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pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 06:48 PM Jun 2017

Hillary Clinton's tweet on Trumpcare.

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Hillary Clinton Retweeted Topher Spiro

Forget death panels. If Republicans pass this bill, they're the death party.



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Hillary Clinton's tweet on Trumpcare. (Original Post) pirateshipdude Jun 2017 OP
JFC MontanaMama Jun 2017 #1
The worst of the worst RockaFowler Jun 2017 #2
Sometimes it's fun to harass them about donald. NT Ilsa Jun 2017 #3
I have a Twitter account MontanaMama Jun 2017 #5
I keep it simple, like, Ilsa Jun 2017 #10
Damn. MontanaMama Jun 2017 #20
I did not. I do not read comments, mostly. Eom. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #7
I did and found this. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #16
Personally, I think Trump Care should be called Trump Doesn't Care Old Terp Jun 2017 #4
That is a good one. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #6
I'm afraid that's true. And they just don't care. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #8
They forgot how high premium was back in 2008 and how little was covered. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #9
I hate to correct you, but costs are much higher now than before 2014, when the individual.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #11
I was paying 1,300 for a family of four, all healthy and young. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #12
Premiums have skyrocketed since 2014, according to objective data. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #14
Because you reached age 60 Motownman78 Jun 2017 #19
Sigh. I'll say it again: objective data indicates premiums have risen a LOT since 2014. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #21
The total cost is $500 month? Or is that the part you pay after a subsidy? nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #22
How much more in taxes do you think you'd pay luvtheGWN Jun 2017 #13
You mean single payer? I have no idea. No one does, that I know of. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #15
K&R sheshe2 Jun 2017 #17
Suddenly bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #18
Yeah for Hillary Clinton Gothmog Jun 2017 #23

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
5. I have a Twitter account
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:01 PM
Jun 2017

but I don't use it. The stress of even reading the tirades of deplorables just slays me. I don't think I have it in me to deal with them. Glad you can give them hell.

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
20. Damn.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:45 PM
Jun 2017

I'm making too hard apparently. I could party with you, Ilsa... I just might have to dip my toe in the pond...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. I'm afraid that's true. And they just don't care.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:11 PM
Jun 2017

Their feeling about it is, "It's your own fault. You should have a better job so you could buy insurance. Not my problem."

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
9. They forgot how high premium was back in 2008 and how little was covered.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:13 PM
Jun 2017

They are griping now but the cost isn't as high as then, and at least now the coverage has to pay certain stuff and the insurance companies can't get away with not paying.

Also, the insurance back then would simply not pay. The can not get away with that now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. I hate to correct you, but costs are much higher now than before 2014, when the individual....
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jun 2017

Obamacare plan part went into effect. I'm sure you keep hearing people refer to the skyrocketing costs of premiums. That is true.

My policy in 2013 (pre-individual policies) was $450 for decent insurance. High deductible ($5k?), $1 Million lifetime cap, decent drug list, decent provider list, a PPO. United Healthcare. Healthy female aged 59. I had many policies and insurers to choose from.

A similar policy now for me with $6k deductible, unlimited lifetime, HMO, narrow drug list, narrow provider list is about $800. Over 60 healthy female. Only one viable ins. co. to choose from.

The costs seem to have hit healthy middle class people the hardest, particularly if they are over 50.

It's possible that costs have lowered for people with high claims, since they had to pay more for premiums before, because of their high claims. Obamacare lets them get premiums that are not based on claims history. If they are young, their premiums will be especially low.

But the data shows that premiums since 2014 have skyrocketed. It's especially cruel to people who have done everything possible to be healthy, in part to keep medical costs down, but they get hit with super high premiums through no fault of their own, while others do not.

These healthy people started dropping out, unable to afford the premiums or unwilling to pay them, leaving way more high-claims people in the Obamacare individual market than low-claims people. The program needs a lot of healthy people in it, in order to work. This is a major flaw in the program. It needed to find a way to address this problem, so healthy people could afford the coverage or so it would be practical for healthy people to stay in it.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
12. I was paying 1,300 for a family of four, all healthy and young.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:30 PM
Jun 2017

We went to an HMO paying 500 a month, 15K deductible on each person and covered nothing.

I pay much less now. Preventative is covered, test are covered, prescriptions are covered.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. Premiums have skyrocketed since 2014, according to objective data.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:43 PM
Jun 2017

If you have an HMO with a $15k deductible per person, that's a catastrophic policy, which you probably did not have before. It's basically only good for a catastrophic illness. HMOs are less costly than PPOs, as well, which you may have had before. HMOs also come with much narrower drug and provider lists (that's partly why they're cheaper).

So you don't have the same thing you had before. My $450 to $800 jump in price was comparing similar policies for a person over 55.

I would have liked to get a catastrophic policy, but Obamacare prevents the selling of catastrophic policies to people over a certain age. So there was little I could do to get my premium down. The cheapest I could buy in 2017 was $800 for bronze HMO high deductible. I can't afford that, so get a subsidy. But I bought up this year. Wish I wouldn't have, but I can't change it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Sigh. I'll say it again: objective data indicates premiums have risen a LOT since 2014.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jun 2017

Yes, Obamacare allows discrimination based on age, just like the GOP bill does.

Nothing magical happens to premiums at age 60, that I'm aware of. Anyone over 50 and then 55 gets hit with triple premiums, based on age alone.

I, BTW, do not have more health problems than a much younger person. I have less. I have no medical condition that requires medical care at all. I have mild arthritis, like most people over 45, but doesn't require medical attention.

"Insurers are set to raise the premiums for plans sold through HealthCare.gov by an average of 22 percent in 2017, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a report. This is approximately triple the percentage increase from 2015 to 2016, when premiums increased by 7.5 percent." http://abcnews.go.com/Health/health-care-premiums-rising-obamacare/story?id=43047190

2018: "premiums for "silver" plans (the most popular plans) are rising 18% next year, after a 12% increase this year." http://time.com/money/4826591/aca-premiums-cost-2018/

"individual market medical costs increased substantially between 2013 and 2015, up an estimated 69%. Third, 2014 insurer data shows that premiums for individual market Qualified Health Plans (QHPs), ACA-compliant plans certified to be sold on exchanges, were much higher than premiums for individual market non-QHPs, mostly plans in existence before 2014 that did not comply with the ACA." https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/07/28/overwhelming-evidence-that-obamacare-caused-premiums-to-increase-substantially/#665ff02715be

Add to the skyrocketing costs of premiums the fact that deductibles increased and networks narrowed, and that gives a picture of vastly increased costs, on average.

There are pockets of those who did not experience this high an increase, and those who experienced more.

Cost of premiums refers to the TOTAL cost of premiums, not just the part that the insured pays after a subsidy pays part of it.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
13. How much more in taxes do you think you'd pay
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:36 PM
Jun 2017

for universal healthcare? (And remember -- no deductibles, no monthly premiums, no lifetime cap). Think about it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. You mean single payer? I have no idea. No one does, that I know of.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:46 PM
Jun 2017

Our country has never had a plan for single payer. I guess it would be similar to Medicare?

Single payer is the way to go, but it's too late for me. I'll be on Medicare before this country gets single payer.

bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
18. Suddenly
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:28 PM
Jun 2017

I'm getting spam emails again about Hillary ... look at this, Hillary shocked, catch the video

This is a strategy. Donnie's in so much trouble they're trying to push the campaign buttons again

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