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[Rustyeye77]

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[oberliner]

1. What is your take on this article?

Be curious to hear your opinion. (Or anyone's)

[bigtree]

3. I see this is a story being repeated by all of the suspect conservative sites

...that leads me to believe (outside of liking and respecting Harris, personally) I suspect there's much more to Sen. Harris' stance than is being reported.

The next thought is just how convenient this story is to right wingers looking to cover for their disgraceful treatment of the Senator in two separate hearings. The analogy they draw does not absolve republican men who can't seem to be able to countenance Harris' voice, no matter what the truth of the issue.

[oberliner]

6. Has Sen. Harris said anything herself about this?

I'd be interested, if so.

[bigtree]

12. this is shitstirring

...against another woman Democratic leader.

If you want to start a campaign against her here, do it. Lay out for us where and why you think Sen. Harris has erred. Don't hide behind concern over this article.

[oberliner]

14. You wrote that you thought there was much more to her stance than what was reported

I was wondering if she had spoken elsewhere with respect to that. I admire Sen. Harris and would like to hear her take directly, if possible.

[bigtree]

16. go look for it

...I don't have ANY questions about Sen. Harris's pov.

[oberliner]

18. Am doing so

I was just asking if you had more info. I agree with you that there is probably much more to this than what is reported.

[bigtree]

22. I don't start from the position that these Democratic women support Islamic extremism

...or refuse to speak out about it.

I think that's absurd, on its face.

[oberliner]

25. They clearly don't

I was wondering if maybe there was a statement from Sen Harris decrying the hearings as a sham or something along those lines. It's annoying that none of these articles even appear to have attempted to get her POV on this (including the NY Times).

[bigtree]

27. the premise is that they refuse to speak out against Islamic extremism

...which I'm sure is easily disproved.

Sen. Harris echoed President Obama saying "there are extremists who are using religion as a cloak to commit terror and terrorist acts. And I think it would be a mistake for any of us to mistake the religion for the terrorists. They can be distinguished. And they should be in our language as well as our policy approach."

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Kamala_Harris_Foreign_Policy.htm

[oberliner]

29. The NY Times should have printed a counterpoint from Harris

Or from one of the other senators mentioned.

[NCTraveler]

35. " They clearly don't "

[frazzled]

9. It isn't an article; it's an opinion piece

Just to be clear. The NYT, like other newspapers, publishes viewpoints from across the spectrum on its op-ed page.. These do not reflect the opinions of the Times, which are stated in the editorials written by the board on its editorial page.

[oberliner]

10. An opinion piece is a type of article

Regardless, what are your thoughts on this?

[Rustyeye77]

43. I find these comments on my OP amazing.

Decrying honor killings, child marriages, polygamy, sex slavery and female genital mutilation is now a RIGHT WING meme ?

No...Its high damn time liberals stand up for liberal values.

[oberliner]

44. There seems to be more to this story than meets the eye

I wish there was a statement from Harris or one of the other senators.

[nycbos]

2. I know many progressives don;t like Ayaan Hirsi Ali...

... however a victim of FGM should not be ignored.

She was working with Theo van Gogh when he was murdered.

[Persisted]

19. She wasn't ignored. She was called as a witness. Without googling, tell us why she was called. nt

[cwydro]

4. Interesting.

Gonna hit some close to home.

[Persisted]

17. No. Given tbe Hearing's purpose, these witnesses had nothing to add.

Without googling, tell us what the purpose of the hearing was, substantively.

[YCHDT]

5. "confronting the brutal reality of Islamist extremism" sigh, as if wingers don't do this daily

[tenderfoot]

7. Ayaan Hirsi Ali right wing toll married to right wing British troll Niall Ferguson

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Islamic Hate Parade
http://www.alternet.org/belief/ayaan-hirsi-alis-islamic-hate-parade

Why Aayan Hirsi Ali Gets A Conservative Media Spotlight
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/11/why-aayan-hirsi-ali-gets-a-conservative-media-s/198856

“Ex-muslims” That Used To Hate And Retained Their Hatred
http://www.loonwatch.com/2017/05/exmuslims-that-hated-and-retained-their-hatred/

[oberliner]

13. Why not grill her with difficult questions?

Seems like that could have been an effective way of dealing with her right-wing views.

[Persisted]

21. Some of us decline the mental masturbation of engaging with the right wing. nt

[oberliner]

24. They engage with the right wing often

That is part of what makes Sen Harris in particular so admirable - how she takes no crap from the right wingers.

[DURHAM D]

28. Grifters are hard to question

so no need to showcase them.

[oberliner]

30. It usually is pretty easy to show them for what they are

Especially in the hands of shrewd senators like the ones mentioned.

[DURHAM D]

31. Not really. Those two women are really twisted. nt

[oberliner]

32. The more twisted, the more easily shown up

That's my opinion, anyway. Seems like a few pointed questions could have shown them for what they were. But I can understand the strategy in not asking questions also. I just don't think it is as effective.

[DURHAM D]

34. They are the darlings of the Islamophobia Circuit and are unfortunately

very bright. Fox can showcase them until the cows come home as they are their peeps.

[bigtree]

8. Harris has spoken out for Muslims and Muslim women

two examples (I'm certain there are more)

That Time Kamala Harris Called New Homeland Security Secretary at Home to Protest Muslim Ban
http://www.thewrap.com/kamala-harris-homeland-security-secretary-john-kelly-home-muslim-ban/


Kamala Harris
January 7 · Facebook

It’s troubling that many Muslim women in California are feeling anxious and afraid when they’re walking down the street in a hijab. This is why we must stand up for our Muslim friends, neighbors, and even strangers and say that we will not condone these actions or threats. No one should have to live their life in fear because of what they wear on their head.

[JI7]

11. her prOblem is harris is not attacking muslims

And them claiming it means harris supports the worst ones.

[bigtree]

15. well, that's one of her problems

[JI7]

20. so American women can't complain about sexism in the US until they fix problems around the rest of

The world.

[Leith]

23. Not Quite Fair to Attack American Women Senators

What does Alii expect Elizabeth Warren to do about the mutilation that her own grandmother had done to her when she was a child in Somalia? What kind of power is Harris supposed have over how mosques in West Virginia run their prayer times?

Both these women, as horrific as their lives have been, have declared themselves to be conservatives in America. It seems that they are upset that American liberal elected officials aren't interested in attacking a religion the way that they're "supposed to." Maybe they don't understand that Democrats have no power in the US right now.

It's easy to find out the lives both the authors of the article have led. What questions were they supposed to ask? Here's a question for Ali: are all the forms you filled out for your entry to the US completely factual? It appears that she wasn't honest when she entered Holland, so why would she be completely truthful to the US?

[GoCubsGo]

33. So, in other words...

This is just another iteration of the attacks on Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, etc.?

[Leith]

37. That's What It Looks Like

It's a particularly nasty one, too.

[DURHAM D]

26. Wow. I just did some research on the two women that wrote

that opinion piece about themselves.

Trying to be nice let me just say that Senators Hassen, Harris, McCaskill and Heitkamp are well staffed and not asking those two any questions was absolutely the best way to handle them.

Grifters got to grift and Republicans are assholes, but we all know that.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

36. What are Democrats like Kamala Harris supposed to do?

What's next? Are they expected to speak out against the Pope over contraceptives for women?

As Noam Chomsky says, the focus should be on what WE do.

Lead by good example and hope that others around the world follow suit.

[NCTraveler]

38. Some people seem to be scared shitless...

About female democratic leaders.

[Rustyeye77]

39. Wow...I went away for one hour and got all this.

I just thought it was interesting article from someone who has seen a lot.

I wasn't advocating their positions but I thought it was thought provoking.

Apparently it is.

[Kingofalldems]

40. I don't believe you.

[bigtree]

42. it's another attack on women Democratic leaders

...in a recent string of them.

Should be no surprise to find pushback.

It's not thought-provoking, it's unsubstantiated shitstirring against Democrats, something we regularly defend against here.

[FreepFryer]

41. This is a transparent and empty attempt at a hit piece. I'm so glad we are at step 3 of 4...

First they ignore you
Then they mock you
Then they attack you
and then you win.

[Rustyeye77]

45. I'm going to delete this. Too pissed off

it really is amazing that this article led to the comments it did.

When it comes to honor killings, child marriages, polygamy, sex slavery or female genital mutilation , I always believed that liberals should stand up for these women. I guess I was wrong.

AHA is right..."Our political conclusions are dismissed as personal; our personal experiences dismissed as political."

shhesh