BLM shuts down gay pride parade in Seattle

[LittleBlue]

Link to tweet

No idea what the gay community of my city did to deserve this. :/

edit- seems it's happening nationwide

Link to tweet

[OhNo-Really]

1. your title is misleading

PROTESTERS shut down parade if Fox is to be believed......

[LittleBlue]

2. Q13 has been around since way before Faux Noise

Plus there are pictures

Link to tweet

[OhNo-Really]

5. A 30 minute interruption

I have to say that I hope it helps. The unpunished killing of mostly black people terrifying. I just hope and pray the movement doesn't get violent.

[Delphinus]

22. It truly

is terrifying. There are no consequences and that is wrong on so many levels.

Belated welcome to DU - glad to have you here.

[OhNo-Really]

24. thank you

Always surprised when Black Lives Matter movement isn't appreciated. The pics are of a group mourning their loss. I hope Gay parade organizers coordinate with BLM. We need solidarity imho.

[Hortensis]

37. Even more, we need tolerance and acceptance when

solidarity isn't possible.

Many identity groups like BLM, and others that are seen as "liberal" in reality have large numbers of conservatives, and often far-lefters, various factions whose idea of what their group's goals and methods should be can be very different from the others. LGBTxyz very much included.

Certainly, the lack of respect for the gays who are putting on this parade and the aggressively ruthlessness of taking over doesn't say liberal at all to me, but maybe those inclined to get very worked up should take a clue from your posts.

It's okay, it'll work for those who see it that way.

[The Polack MSgt]

103. And many groups who identify as "liberal"...

Get awfully offended when they're reminded that we need to support "liberal" causes like, I don't know - How about maybe OBJECTING TO THE EXTRAJUDICIAL KILLINGS OF BLACK AMERICANS.

I attended Pride-fest STL today, and there was nothing like this going on, but if it would get eyes and cameras on the BLM movement, I would have been good with it, the parade took almost 3 hours anyway.

[Hortensis]

116. Yes, "how about." But political labels are frequently inaccurate,

especially liberal. The effects of Republican efforts to turn it into a pejorative still live on, and if that's not enough we often get tarred with the behaviors of people who are literally even anti-liberal, hostiles who are called liberal simply because their groups are rejected and abused by Republicans.

[NCTraveler]

70. +1 nt

[samnsara]

126. exactly.. we need to stay on the SAME SIDE!!!

[OhNo-Really]

11. Check out the human chain guarding them

That is the America that I believe in.

[OhNo-Really]

25. Still title is misleading although a good attention getter.

Thanks for posting. Both issues need attention.

[Hekate]

89. A misleading title is not "a good attention getter." It's bullshit and not for DU...

We don't traffic in alternative news here, OhNo-Really.

[OhNo-Really]

3. Googled BLM "gay parade" shut down

geez this has been going on for awhile. DC too

I wonder what the thinking is?

[LittleBlue]

4. No idea

Gay people aren't killing anyone. They're more often the victims. Why shut down their parades?

[Agschmid]

6. It's the rainbows 🌈, nobody likes them.

[janx]

18. . . .

[rzemanfl]

76. Because there is no fucking pot of gold. Just an elf who looks like Jeff Sessions. n/t

[Agschmid]

99. Lol.

[NobodyHere]

7. They want the spotlight on their issue

Everyone else is an afterthought

[OhNo-Really]

10. They are being murdered by police,

I can feel their angst and desperation. They feel unsafe.

[NobodyHere]

12. And LGBT are just living perfect lives with no issues at all?

Maybe BLM should just organize their own parade?

[SaschaHM]

35. Black LGBTQ folks exist.

And hell, Police violence/brutality/discrimination has always been an issue for LGBTQ individuals. It hasn't even been less than 10 years since the last police raid on a gay bar.

[X_Digger]

65. Guess what, black LGBTQ folks can attend two fucking events, then.

What, they don't have time for both?

Shit, let's organize an LGBTQ/BLM/TransFat/EPA/DakotaPipeline/Occupy/GlutenFree/ConfederateFlag/Science/Grizzly/Wolf protest and get it all fucking done at one time.

You never have to be bothered to think about any other event all goddamned year!

[SaschaHM]

85. SO Pride is still only for white gays. Glad to see you confirm that. Welcome to my ignore list.

I don't have time for racism.

[X_Digger]

88. SO you still beat your dog?

You can often recognize a straw man argument because it will start with 'So..'

The title is an example of a silly statement preceded by 'So..' that has nothing to do with your statement. Stop trying to put words in MY mouth, mm'kay?

At the event I went to this weekend, there were plenty of LGBT PoC. And Latino/Latinas, and Asians, and a couple of folks that I know are of middle-eastern descent.

Get a fucking clue, it's not all about race, honey.

[liberalhistorian]

105. So does the LGBT community, and

with good reason. They are also being murdered, driven to suicide, harassed by law enforcement, etc. Especially those who aren't white. I fail to understand how their actions today gain them any ground or get people to listen to them. Why aren't they going after the likes of KKK Jefferson Beauregard Sessions or any of the many openly racist republican reps and officials?

[OhNo-Really]

8. Maybe BLM coordinated with parade sponsors

Pollyanna here

BLM also acronym for Bureau of Land Management. LOL that's what I first thought this about.

Civil Rights needs to be readdresed sadly....and BoringGuard Sessions isn't about to let that happen.

[joeybee12]

54. Same here

I thought they might have been shut down for getting too close to a national park

[Shrike47]

84. Same thought. BLM controls a lot of land in the Northwest. I thought - monument?

[customerserviceguy]

108. I must confess

that was my first thought, as well.

[hrmjustin]

137. No they did not Coordinate with Heritage of Pride.

They blocked our gay cops and wanted them booted from the parade. Heritage of Pride was not happy with their protest.

[OhNo-Really]

13. Perhaps BLM feels

this is a safe venue

Perhaps it is coordinated.

[liberalhistorian]

104. I don't understand it, either,

and it's very frustrating because I'm in complete agreement with their message and with what they're trying to accomplish. But it does no good to pull stunts like this with those who are far more likely to be on their side than not and who've done nothing against them. I was equally irritated with them pulling these stunts against Bernie and Clinton during the campaigns and yet leaving the REAL culprits, the hateful GOP who'd gladly see them all dead or in prison and who are largely responsible for the policies and attitudes that cause such damage against them and all other minorities, largely alone. Just a few minutes of just one Drumpf rally should have shown who the true enemy was.

[Raster]

130. Why shut down the Gay parades??? Because there is an audience.

It would be one thing if BLM wanted to be part of the parade, BUT NO, let's shut it down for everyone.

Tell you what, next MLK Day, let's have gay protestors shut down the MLK Day parades. Fair?

[X_Digger]

163. Yeah, that'd go over like diarrhea in the hot tub. And they know it, but won't admit it. n/t

[hrmjustin]

138. And all they did was piss a lot of people off yesterday.

I know because I was there.

[FreeState]

171. DC was not BLM it was a local group

opposed to corporate influance in Pride.

*Source, me, I was there

[Archae]

9. Wasn't it in Seattle the BLM big mouths shut down a Bernie rally?

[OhNo-Really]

14. where is your compassion?

[Kingofalldems]

87. Oh I get it. Sarcasm.

[SMC22307]

23. Pro-Social Security rally in which Bernie was invited to speak.

But, yes. And what a *good* time that was on DU.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

46. You guys are so transparent now

[SaschaHM]

51. You missed the DU poster comparing them to dogs.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. Literally not surprised.

[LisaM]

101. That was not a Bernie rally, although he was there.

It was a lengthy rally about Social Security. He had been invited to say a few words at one point. When he did, two BLM members disrupted him and he (in my opinion) became flustered.

[JCanete]

120. I would take a cue from Bernie on how to discuss that...

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Arrogant and selfish.

Another example of one minority bullying another minority.

[JCanete]

20. probably far more complicated than that. Black lgbqt feel discriminated agaist and or relegated to

afterthought status within gay communities, and that at least, had to do with the shut-down of the Toronto Pride Parade.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurenstrapagiel/black-lives-matters-pride-toronto?utm_term=.vdJQYaMaK#.jeeeOD4Dy

as well as the police floats and booths...etc.

The tactics certainly cut both ways, and while they feel marginalized already, this may not be the way to shore up support within other discriminated communities, but then, when people aren't hearing you and you have precious few options, that is why these things happen.

That said, BLM was in that parade. They were given some recognition by Pride. I'm not qualified to say whether or not that has been too much tokenism and not enough real substance, but I do know we have a frustrating history of people with different causes not being able to galvanize behind common cause for a myriad of reasons, whether they be of the nature of these groups own biases, or political expedience, etc. Hell, when MLK jr. tried to extend his message to poverty in general and anti-interventionism ala Vietnam, he lost support within some of the movements fighting for racial equality, because they thought it would undermine their efforts.

We are certainly going to remain divided and conquered for the foreseeable future.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. But that is not WHY they distrubed the pride parade.

They need to make their message clear, and I feel they have and it is not "intersectionality" at play, but "punching down" because they know they can.

[fallout87]

173. Agreed

Taking over the rally is in a way dividing us. This could have been handled differently, perhaps getting together and organizing an event instead of hijacking this one.

[LovingA2andMI]

40. This Right Here

***Best Comment On This ENTIRE Thread Award -- Including The Thread Itself****

[OhNo-Really]

26. Divide and Conquer NOT THIS TIME AROUND

You are in the same boat as BLM, perhaps you don't know that.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. If that were true, or how THEY saw it...

...then they WOULD NOT be interrupting pride parades!

[OhNo-Really]

57. Not true

[Behind the Aegis]

94. When they disrupt a Women's March or a Palestinian "Justice" march, then I will believe it.

All they are doing is punching down because they can and because they will have allies explain away their bullshit.

[JI7]

107. they have been protesting and speaking out at some of the women's marches and other

women's rights events .

but i think pride is easier for them since it's more of a planned annual thing .

[Behind the Aegis]

111. Protesting? Disrupting? If so, I haven't seen it.

Speaking out and protesting WITH, those I have seen. I will look for examples, but if you happen to know of any direct links, I'd appreciate it.

[JI7]

112. i have mostly seen criticisms but there also aren't many organized or planned women's marches

as there are with pride. i think it's easier for them to disrupt at pride just because it's more planned. they know it's going on and they know when it will happen.

[Raster]

131. I wholeheartedly agree.

'Cause you know, it just ain't gonna happen.

[cwydro]

30. Yes it is.

If this is true, BLM is not making any friends.

Wrong to shut down pride events. Period.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

45. Because blacks are not gay?

Or it's an example of white gays not caring about black lives

[Hassin Bin Sober]

80. Last I checked, there were plenty of people of color in any Pride parade I've attended.

Why wouldn't BLM march in the parade? I'm pretty sure they would get a ton of support if they marched. In fact, I'm 100% certain.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

127. Because the parade has become a celebration not a protest

I march in the NYC parade every year but I don't pretend that it's not a party now

[Raster]

133. That's you and that's how you look at it.

To many of us, Gay Pride Parades are both a CELEBRATION AND A PROTEST!

BLM is ALL ABOUT disruption. Disrupt! Disrupt! Look at us! Look at us Disrupt!

If BLM wanted to *PARTICIPATE* in the parade to bring exposure to their message and respect that others too have their story to tell... WONDERFUL!

But to take the attitude that: "our cause supersedes yours, and to prove it, we're doing to disrupt your event" IS WRONG.

[Behind the Aegis]

93. Or is it an example of the rights of others being MORE important.

[Gravitycollapse]

123. No. An example of a marginalized group standing up for themselves.

[Raster]

134. yes, on the backs of someone else.

[Gravitycollapse]

157. Privileged people don't get a pity party when someone calls them out.

[dbackjon]

152. Yup

[X_Digger]

16. Get your own goddamned parade. n/t

[NobodyHere]

17. Or at least coordinate with the organizers

[OhNo-Really]

27. Maybe they did

check out the human chain guarding them. Warms my heart.

[JCanete]

21. great messaging. Everybody is in it for themselves. I'm not advocating the disruption, though at

this point I'm not condemning it either. But hell, if there aren't going to be any olive branches, we are fucked.

[OhNo-Really]

28. Agree 100%

I will say it again

We must refuse to be Divided and Conquered.

Anyone disparaging a peaceful group that clearly has legitimate social issues to address might as well join the other party.

This was a 30 minute vigil and the only way it would see any press coverage. Kudos to their courage.

[OhNo-Really]

29. I could be wrong

but I think BLM protesters have more than themselves, in mind.

[JCanete]

33. I'm sure some in the movement's leadership have been very smart about how to remember other

disenfranchised groups, and frankly, their going to bat for black LGBQT communities and individuals suggests that they are going broad rather than narrow.

[NobodyHere]

102. I think you're wrong

[X_Digger]

49. Go have an LGBT equality protest at a BLM event, see how that shit works on the other foot.

The outrage here would be fucking epic.

Why do other organizations have to pander to another organization that can't be bothered to set up their own events?

We can fucking chew bubble gum and walk at the same time, there's no reason to intrude on another group's celebration.

[SaschaHM]

56. So Pride is just a celebration of the issues affecting white gays, got it.

Because police brutality/discrimination has never been an issue for white gays.... oh wait.

[X_Digger]

61. Nice straw man argument.

When you want to respond to what I actually said, not what you want me to have said, feel free.

Go ahead, organize an LGBT protest at a BLM event, I want to watch.

[cwydro]

96. Exactly.

I can only imagine if the shoe were on the other foot.

[JCanete]

117. can't be bothered to set up their own events? BLM are lazy? Is that what you are suggesting? WTF?

They don't have the resources or enough support to do what you are suggesting at a scale that will be effective. They are using these tactics to get people to see these issues. In some cases, at least the one I mention above, they are literally doing it for the sake of LGBQT people of color who feel their voice is marginalized within those communities.

That's kind of relevant, and we need to recognize our own faults too, and hell, we(liberals) should be the ones more capable of hearing others when they are saying they are hurting. We should understand what that is. That doesn't mean everything about this approach is right, or none of it is messy, but BLM doesn't seem to be trying to ruin gay pride, what they seem to be doing is asking Priders to see them and not forget them. These are people who frankly, need each other.

Fine, lets walk and chew gum at the same time, but we can't forget to help those who are bearing such a heavy burden. Being disdainful of people trying to bring important issues to the fore TO PEOPLE WHO SHOULD CARE, because you don't like their tactics, and because it temporarily disrupts something that is dear to you, is focusing on all the wrong shit and until you have a real solution, not "start your own parade," I'd suggest you instead try to hear them and empathize.

[X_Digger]

162. Git Gud. Organizing an effective protest takes work. Punching down on another community is shitty.nt

[JCanete]

164. the assumption that this is punching down is silly. Pride actually has a lot of money that goes into

it. I would never deign to suggest that LGBTQ aren't horribly and sometimes very violently discriminated against, but they have far more resources and connections, than the poor black community that is particularly targeted by violence. Black people being historically kept financially and politically in check(because they couldn't hide this detail the way many LGBTQ have had to do), do not have as many invested allies with as deep pockets. And don't tell me money doesn't matter.

[X_Digger]

166. You know, it's not been that long since it was goddamned illegal to be gay.

Don't play that shit, it ain't gonna float with anyone who can think.

[JCanete]

168. play what shit? I have no disagreement with your statement. What did I say that was actually

factually incorrect? I'm happy to learn something.

[Dr. Strange]

78. Was the parade inclusive?

In Chicago, they were expelling Jewish lesbians from the Dyke March: http://chicago.gopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/86821969 .

Maybe there are racial problems in these marches?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

82. That is not the Pride parade. Bloody Splitters.

[JI7]

118. NO

[Gravitycollapse]

124. It's a GAY PRIDE parade. It is their parade. That's the point.

[X_Digger]

165. Correct, it was not a BLM parade. n/t

[roamer65]

19. Invite BLM to march in the parade as well, as long as it is peaceful.

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We are stronger together, than separate.

[OhNo-Really]

32. ⬆️ this!!!

This was my first takeaway when I saw the human chain guarding them. Perhaps compassion is making a comeback after the right wing trashed it's meaning.

[SaschaHM]

34. As a LGBTQ PoC, I can understand the grievances w/ the mainstream lgbtq movement

at large and it's inability to to even acknowledge intersectionality and racism. Heck, in 2015 the HRC had major diversity issues in it's workplace when it came to anyone that wasn't a gay white male. There are still gay bars that are suddenly "full" when black gay men reach the front of the line.

I'm actually surprised there isn't more unity over this issue as LGBTQ people have always been a favorite target of Police as well. Hell, just 3 years ago, the NYPD was being sued again over entrapping gay men.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. Yup

[OhNo-Really]

60. There can be more unity

If we can wake up from our brainwashed apathy and unite, all can be safe.

We have appalling voter turn out.

[Zorro]

36. BLM seems to focus on soft targets

They'd make a bigger impact at a Trump rally.

[cwydro]

43. Good point.

But instead they chose Bernie and Hillary rallies to protest.

And now this.

Odd.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

44. Or they'd get killed. They show up among people who should be allies

And remind us to be allies

[Zorro]

55. MLK did not confine the marches he led to friendly environments

[La Lioness Priyanka]

73. Lol every black leader doesn't have to be mlk or use his tactics

And people hates mlk because he inconvenienced their life too but marching through streets and bridges

This is just revisionist history pretending that mlks methods did not piss off white people

[Zorro]

75. Who said MLK's methods didn't piss off white people?

The point is that BLM would make a more prominent statement interrupting Trump rallies instead of rallies of other disenfranchised groups.

Do you disagree?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

41. I don't think anyone could explain just what the hell happened in Toronto

It is just about the strangest thing I have ever seen.

[hughee99]

47. Is that when they shut down Toronto's gay pride parade

Shortly after the Orlando shooting to protest police brutality in a different country?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

52. That was just the begining...

Black Lives Matter basically made a hostile takeover of Toronto Pride, for... reasons? maybe?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. All pride parades are actually protests

And given that blacks are also gay, BLM has a right to use a protest to fucking protest

And before you get all fake outrage I am literally typing this on my subway ride back from the nyc parade

[joeybee12]

58. Only this year have they become political again

Long stretch if them just being one big party

[La Lioness Priyanka]

64. Dunno nyc seemed a party to me

[joeybee12]

66. Didn't go to any this year

LA was always party, this year advertised as a resistance

[SaschaHM]

59. It's almost like police violence only matters when it's against white gays....

and not PoC.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

63. Yup

[cwydro]

62. I'm sorry; I'm not buying that.

This kind of thing is a mistake.

RWers must be laughing their ass off.

[janx]

50. Why?

I guess I don't know the background. So Black Lives Matter joined the Gay Pride parade, nothing unusual there. Parades and even (or especially) protests are comprised of people with different interests and messages. It can be a bit ridiculous sometimes, at least from my experience, but what the hell. Everybody's welcome.

But why interrupt it? If Black Lives Matter folks join the parade, wouldn't you expect them to support and celebrate the cause of it? Why shut it down?

[Buns_of_Fire]

67. Did a 30-minute vigil shut down the whole parade?

If it was just "give us 30 minutes and we're outta here" I really don't see that much of a problem. An interruption, sure, but it would cost nothing to be respectful to the BLM folks, hold short of the vigil, and then ask them to join the parade in solidarity.

I'm obviously missing something here.

[R B Garr]

71. Exactly. RIP Charleena Lyles. Shot to death by police

after calling for their help.

The pictures at the OP's link don't look like that much of an interruption. There is a group leaning over flowers strewn.

I must be missing something, too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

72. You're missing the lens of racism to view this thing

Because how dare someone inconvenience white gays for 30 min to remind them that this is a protest not a party

[melman]

74. So all of the people inconvenienced were white?

Are you sure of this?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

79. No I'm saying those are the ones who are complaining

Do you think black gays are complaining?

[janx]

81. But LLP, in your reply #64 you said that the NYC Gay Pride parade seemed like a party.

And it no doubt was. Gay pride events tend to have that quality, an endearing one as far as I'm concerned.

And I doubt too many people minded 30 minutes of reflection and protest, but I guess I'm missing the lens of racism that you reference here. ?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

90. Also people pretend that there isn't a lot of waiting around anyway

We waited over 3 hours to start, like what would another half hour from blm even mean

People don't want to hear them and hence create all sorts of reasons not to

[marylandblue]

68. We are in the same coalition despite our differences

We need to take Reverend Barber's Moral Mondays approach. Representives of both these groups have taken part as well as many others. We need to recognize that American political parties are always coalitions and we need to rebuild oir coalitiom now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Mondays

[George II]

69. They're picking the wrong targets for their protest.

[smirkymonkey]

83. You are spot on. I don't understand why people who should be

allies are disturbing each other. Don't we have bigger fish to fry?

[SaschaHM]

86. Really?

Given how folks are reacting to this, or how folks responded to the addition of black and brown stripes to the pride flag, I think they picked the perfect place. The reactions here are already exposing long ignored blindspots when it comes to the LGBTQ movement and it's PoC members.

[TeamPooka]

77. Progressives fighting against each is the right wing wet dream. Conservatives are smiling today.

[customerserviceguy]

109. Exactly

That's why Fox is reporting this, it gives the deplorables their chuckle for the day

[kcr]

132. Then it seems to me the solution is simple. Don't do it.

Conservatives sure do love to pick on BLM, don't they? So, don't be like them.

[Hekate]

91. What a monumentally divisive thread. When I turn on the news tonight will I see it's "everywhere"?

Because the claim, right off the bat, was that "It is spreading everywhere."

I feel palpably dumber for having tried to navigate this thread to find actual facts.

[Ken Burch]

92. They temporarily stopped the parade as a legitimate act of protest.

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The protest was mainly against the killing of Charleena Lyles.

The point of temporarily stopping the parade was that it was a way to bring this to people's attention.

They didn't shut anything down, and I think most people in the parade understood why it was done.

These tweets are just a local right-wing media outlet stirring up guano.

[oberliner]

121. There was definitely a protest against the parade itself

"No racist Pride today" was one of the chants.

A major issue was with respect to allowing police officers to participate in the parade.

[Ken Burch]

143. OK. Didn't know that. Can understand that, though.

For a lot of people in various communities, seeing an officer in uniform can cause PTSD. It's the kind of reaction many Southern and Eastern European immigrants had in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

A compromise can be reached on this by simply having the officer(I assume we're talking LGBTQ officers)march in civilian clothes.

[hrmjustin]

146. GOAL has been marching for decades in uniform and it has never been a problem before.

I have never seen a protest against police in our parade before in NYC in my lifetime.

[JCanete]

147. I totally get that goal. I also totally get why people are angry at the police, and fearful of them

and want to make a statement in communities of color. Cops keep shooting them and cops keep either not being charged, or beating the rap.

[hrmjustin]

148. Tension with the police is always going to be an issue.

But stopping GOAL in the middle of the parade and telling them to get out of the parade is appalling.

[JCanete]

149. It's a bad tactic. Appalling is what is happening to black people at the hands of police.

I'm sure GOAL have enough support and self-respect that they can whether this kind of "abuse."

BLM should probably instead, have taken the time to address GOAL and ask them to remember them and to be their ally when wearing blue, but the pain and suffering is off the charts. I think that we can take a step back and at least understand why they did what they did. We don't have to agree with it.

[hrmjustin]

150. Yes GOAL and BLM should meet.

Good things may happen.

[Ken Burch]

154. It happened in Toronto last year as well.

In some cases, it comes down to changes in consciousness, changes in what people are willing to put up with, and different associations people might have with different things.

Probably, it came down to the sense that the way to get attention.

The killing of Charleena Lyles happening a week before probably made the choice seem more pressing.

[hrmjustin]

155. I am sorry but we are not going to exclude gay cops and they will March in uniform.

They have been doing it for decades and will continue to do so.

[Ken Burch]

156. If I might ask, why does it have to be in uniform?

n/t.

[hrmjustin]

160. Because it is the office they hold. They March in uniform in every parade here.

They have been marching in uniform for decades and will continue to be.

[hrmjustin]

145. They stopped the parade in NYC.

[nolabear]

95. I haven't heard people here in Seattle raging about this.

It could get ramped up I suppose but it was a thirty minute delay by people desperate to be heard. Charleena Lyles' killing hit people hard.

I hope the Pride organizers and participants have compassion for what was a small inconvenience by people who, like they, are tired to the bone of being targeted.

We could show some compassion and offer an ear and a hand too. It's all they're asking.

[Zorro]

97. Then BLM should march in solidarity with the organized march instead of disrupting it

The optics do not improve BLM's influence with sympathetic groups, and only increases the perception that disenfranchised groups are weak. Their disruption was counterproductive.

[Not Ruth]

98. I honestly know nothing of this current event

But there is a school of thought that says that a sanctioned event cannot be a protest.

Levels......

[Not Ruth]

100. Is this the statement?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
No Justice, No Pride Seattle

#NoJusticeNoPride #SeattlePride #Pride2017

Today, we invite you to build with us, toward a pride that centers justice. We are an autonomous, multiracial group of concerned two spirit, trans and queer people. We are here to transform the Seattle Pride Parade and create a space where our Pride cannot be bought by corporations and government entities that harm us and our communities. This is a space where Pride and Justice exist together with an unquestionable commitment to the dignity and humanity of ALL two spirit, queer, and trans people. This action is in solidarity with #NoJusticeNoPride actions from across the country.

We are broken hearted and enraged about the death of Charleena Lyles and the incredible amount of Black and Brown people being murdered and harmed by the police. We feel betrayed by the corporatization of pride. As two spirit, queer and trans people...

● We are not proud of Wells Fargo, Chase Bank, and Bank of America’s participation in Indigenous genocide and investment in projects that pillage the land and contribute to climate change.

● We are not proud of governments like King County that choose caging our disproportionately Black and Brown youth over investing in their futures.

● We are not proud of medical establishments like UW Medicine and Kaiser Permanente that make it optional for providers to be queer and trans competent.

● We are not proud of corporations like Boeing that assemble war machines that lead to the deaths of Black, Brown, queer and trans people all over the world.

● We are not proud of corporations like Microsoft and Amazon that are in large part responsible for gentrifying this city and displacing Black, Brown, queer, trans, and disabled people.

● We are not proud of the Seattle Police Department, which enacts police terrorism on communities of color, which makes many in our community afraid for our lives.

We are against corporations marching for human rights who are directly participating in assaults on human rights.

We do not buy into Seattle Pride’s vision of LGBTQ diversity and inclusion, which gives a pass to companies and governments to make money off of poisoning people, locking people up, and paying people unlivable wages. At the same time, we are in solidarity with workers at these companies and look forward to working together to build toward a world where we are all free.

Our pride cannot be bought.

We invite you to join us in creating a world NOW, one where pride is always connected to justice and dignity for ALL two spirit, queer and trans people. We are here to build an altar. We are here to recreate the space that is stolen from us over and over again. We are here to honor the first people of this land, the Duwamish people, who have been here since time immemorial. We are here to honor the original intent of our trans ancestors Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P Johnson who initiated the first pride, a movement that knows none of us are free until we are all free. We are here to build an altar to the future we are already creating. We will have pride when Seattle Pride celebrations unquestioningly embody the knowledge that Black lives matter, that Immigrant lives matter, that Muslim lives matter, that Indigenous lives matter, that the lives of future queer and trans people who will inherit this earth matter.

This requires Seattle Pride to act now and bar harmful corporate and governmental entities from Pride participation.Our survival and our thriving is not optional. We know Justice and Pride must exist together.

Build with us toward a Pride that centers Justice

[JI7]

106. there is a lot of misleading stuff on this. they did not shut it down. there are many articles

and people posting about this and it doesn't appear to be a problem to most who attended.

the toronto one which was mentioned was actually coordinated with other lgbt groups such as black, indiginous and other minority groups. blm was actually invited to the toronto one but they decided to join with those groups i mention for a protest .

but none of these things actually shut down the event itself .

also many of the blm members doing this are themselves are lgbt .

[stevenleser]

113. I had a feeling that when the truth came out about this, that is what it would sound like.

Thanks for the info.

[JHan]

115. Thank you for the info. Maybe OP will be edited, maybe not but you know what?

It's really interesting to see descriptions like "hostile" and disruptive etc when people have the flimsiest of information to go on.

Whenever BLM expresses righteous anger, they're seen as trouble makers - There is a predisposition towards seeing them as trouble makers even by white liberals. So the point isn't what they're protesting, but where and when they dare to express themselves. I wish I could say I'm surprised.

[DemocraticWing]

110. I'm a white gay man and I'm glad they did it.

There is too much racism in the LGBTQ community. I can guarantee some white gays muttered or shouted the n-word because they had to hear a message they didn't want to hear at one of these parade protests.

Moreover, Pride allowing corporations and police forces to participate and pinkwash their complicity in the crimes of white supremacy and capitalism deserves a fucking protest. As long as the rich, white "leaders" of the gay community are auctioning off pride to the cornerstones of oppression, every disruption to the party is welcome and necessary.

[oberliner]

122. You don't think police forces ought to be allowed to participate?

In any capacity? Under any circumstance?

[SaschaHM]

142. There's a long and brutal history that gets pinkwashed.

Some of the most recent incidents ,
http://gothamist.com/2015/08/19/nypd_gay_beating_lawsuit.php
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160830/new-dorp/officers-yelled-anti-gay-slurs-at-man-during-violent-arrest-lawsuit-claims
https://www.villagevoice.com/2013/10/24/robert-pinters-lawsuit-against-nypd-for-targeting-gay-men-in-video-store-entrapment-stings-allowed-to-go-forward-federal-judge/
https://www.queerty.com/nypd-sued-again-over-homophobic-entrapment-stings-20141009

So I can see why people are apprehensive about police officers and corporations attending especially Older gay men/women and transgendered individuals who have lived through dubiously motivated police raids.

I think outreach is fine, but it does feel weird given that the relationship between the police community and the lgbtq community has been and is still tense.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

125. .....

[m-lekktor]

129. I am a white gay guy and I completely agree with everything you wrote.

White gay guys are some of the worst when it comes to racial issues. These "disruptions" have been going on in the various cities at pride events all month long.

Looks like support for BLM went away here at DU once the primaries were over. Interesting. I find the push back here on this sad.

[stevenleser]

151. I find the divisions on BLM support to be similar as it was during the primaries. Almost same folks

pro and con.

[X_Digger]

167. Wait, capitalism is now a crime? Who knew!

[MariaCSR]

170. Hear hear!

[Tiggeroshii]

114. Clearly evidence that this divide and conquer strategy is absolutely working

Fanfuckingtastic

[treestar]

128. weird - it is not a matter of either/or

both parades can happen. Seattle has more than one street.

[hrmjustin]

135. what they did in NYC yesterday was totally uncalled for.

They protested Goal which is the gay police group here in NYC presence in the parade.

Who the hell are they to tell us who can March in our paradae. Goal has been marching for decades and they are certainly welcome in the LGBT community to March.

I wonder how many of those protestors were actually LGBT! How dare they presume to speak or dictate to us about our police marching in our parade.

BTW my church cooks for the NYPD and FDNY Marchers and these people are good and decent people who should never had been protested like that.

[tenderfoot]

136. Flamebaiting bullshit

two tweets, not one source of note.

[hrmjustin]

139. The protest happened in NYC.

I don't know what group it was but it did happen

[tenderfoot]

140. They marched to protest police shootings and resulting acquittals

they did not shut down the parade. Not one cite from a legitimate news source. This is OP is the "divide and conquer".

Spare me with the feigned outrage.

[hrmjustin]

141. The protestors blocked GOAL and wanted them booted from the parade. Do you know who GOAL is?

[Rustyeye77]

144. I am shocked at the Racists post here

against the BLM.

[dbackjon]

153. One can support BLM, but not support every single action they do

Sometimes, like this, they are wrong, IMO

[Lee-Lee]

159. If saying this was a bad way to protest is racist

does the same logic mean that by choosing a Pride parade as the target of the protest that those activists are homophobic?

[romanic]

161. Honestly

I just feel like these types of stunts lead nowhere. Everyone gets emotional, in-fighting starts, and the right points and laugh at all of it.

[PurgedVoter]

169. White, straight southern old guy calling in.

Being discriminated against, marginalized and outright killed does not make you wise. It does not make all of your efforts and behavior perfect, graceful and calculated. I wish it did. What happened needs to be addressed. The only correct way to address it is to chill out and do a better job coordinating efforts and understanding each other in the future.

Someone needs to reach out and say, "Not cool" or "My bad." If it doesn't happen then new leaders need to be found.

Sometimes our leaders are not folk that should be leading us. Look over at the Green Party if you want to see a good example of what I am talking about. That too needs to be addressed. BLM has made a few moves that disappoint me. I see that as a leadership issue. Black Lives Matter is not an organization to me. It is a fundamental truth that we need to support. Looking at it in a selfish way, If they can get away with this when black people or gays are the victims, then they will also be able to get away with it when it is my turn. Injustice to any means potential injustice to all.

[FreeState]

172. Way to piss off your allies BLM. n/t