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[BumRushDaShow]

1. Yes, they have been given "official/top-of-the-ticket permission" to vent their racism

misogyny and bigotry.

The hope though is that people who deny this existed or was happening, will stop saying it is an "isolated case" here and an "isolated case" there.

We are "post-racial" only in terms of finally getting enough of the majority population (30% - 40%) to contribute their vote in plurality with the minority communities, to reach a total > 50% to elect a minority to higher office.

[The Wielding Truth]

2. Racism and bigotry are anti-American. They are ugly in any setting.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Unfortunately, racism is the single best correlator for voting for tRump, seen by study of searches

What Google Searches Reveal about the Human Psyche

Transcript and you can hear the segment. I found some more links, posted at the end of the excerpts.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-june-20-2017-1.4164559/june-20-2017-full-episode-transcript-1.4169712#segment3

excerpts of transcript:

my next guest says you shouldn't let social media make you feel bad about your life. In fact he has studied millions of Google searches and gained some surprising insights into people's real lives. Seth Stephens-Davidowitz is a former Google data scientist. He's a contributing op ed writer for The New York Times and he's the author of Everybody Lies: Big Data New Data And What The Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are. And Seth Stephens-Davidowitz is joining us from Atlanta, Georgia. Hello.

...

AMT: Is this information that Google has that you got or did you go on Google and figure it out?

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: This is data that they aggregate the search data and they give it to searchers.

AMT: Okay. So what did you learn about racism in the U.S. by examining Internet searches?

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Yes. So there is a disturbing element to some of this research. When people are lying, one of the ways people lie is they make themselves look better and they don't admit their racist tendencies. So the comparison on Google is depressing even horrifying, the frequency with which Americans make racist searches, are predominantly looking for jokes mocking African-Americans. And these searches predict very very strongly various political behaviors voting patterns.

AMT: You can make the connection?

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Yeah. So for example places that made these searches in highest numbers, there were most likely to make racist searches where there is almost perfect relationship between the volume of these searches and support for Donald Trump in the Republican primary. So it's really clear in this data that racism played a huge role in Trump's rise even if people wouldn't admit that.

AMT: And you also looked at what people were searching for right after Barack Obama was elected in 2008. What did you find?

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Yes. I mean another one where people you know on TV or in everyday conversation, people are saying whatever they thought of Obama's policies or positions that it was moving that we had an African-American president. But you see it the same period that searches for really really racially charged jokes mocking African-Americans were rising to their highest levels yet. And one in 100 searches on the night that Obama was elected with the word Obama also included the N word or KKK. So really a very very different in the privacy of their own homes, Americans were reacting to this event much differently than they were publicly proclaiming they were reacting.

AMT: And that was rather than using the phraseology like first black president or the like celebratory phrase.

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Exactly. More people are making more searches kind of disturbed by having an African-American president than excited about having an African-American president.

AMT: And so let's get back to what you said about the election of Donald Trump and what you learned about who voted for him. Tell me a little bit more of what you saw.

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Well, I think one thing that happened is you see how people responded when Obama was president. So the racist searches people were also searching for and eventually joining a website called Stormfront which is a white nationalist website. And you see kind of a direct relationship that these people who were antagonized by Obama's election and motivated to join these white nationalist websites or make racist searches then put Trump over the edge in the Republican primary.

AMT: And how do you know that you're making the right conclusion with that data?

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Well, you have to be definitely careful when you're using statistics and data but there are a lot of tools that data scientists have to control for other variables. You can see is there something else about these areas that explain the relationship? Is it because these areas have more elderly people, or more people with fewer years of education or more people own guns or more people who attend church? And you control for all these variables and nothing explains the result. The only thing that really explains the result is the racism.

AMT: You also looked at clues before the election on voter turnout for Hillary Clinton, that are may be down.

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Yes exactly. So if you ask people in a survey: “Are you going to vote in an election?”, just about everybody says yes but then only about 55 percent of Americans actually turn out to vote. So you can't really know from a survey who is going to be in the 55 percent who vote and who is going to be in the 45 percent who don't vote. But you can see on Google. People make searches in the weeks leading up to Election Day. They search for how to vote or where to vote or polling places, and these searches predict very very strongly how high turnout will be. And what we saw in this previous election, in the 2016 election, is that in cities with large African-American populations were 90 or 95 percent of the population is black, there was a large drop in searches for voting information, searches for how to vote or where to vote. So it was very clear from the search data that black turnout was going to be substantially down compared to previous elections. And since African-Americans support Democrats 85 or 90 percent of the time, this was a terrible sign for Hillary Clinton and one of the reasons she did so much worse than polls predicted.

AMT: Because that that did carry out during the election, right?

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: Exactly. The black turnout was way down.

AMT: If her people had been looking at the data you were looking at they would have seen that coming.

SETH STEPHENS-DAVIDOWITZ: They would have seen that coming and maybe put more energy into getting black turnout up.

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http://sethsd.com/research/

NPR Transcript of another interview:
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=526399881

Persuasive proof that America is full of racist and selfish people - Vox
https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/6/13/15768622/facebook-social-media-seth-stephens-davidowitz-everybody-lies
Jun 13, 2017 - “Google is a digital truth serum,” Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, author of ... that suggested Trump was far more serious than many supposed.

Vox Calls Americans 'Racist' Over Google Searches | The Daily Caller {Right Wing reaction}
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/13/vox-calls-americans-selfish-and-racist-due-to-google-searches/
Jun 13, 2017 - Stephens-Davidowitz research shows “searches containing racist ... and equates the search data as “clues” Trump was a “serious” contender.

[The Wizard]

9. Bigotry is in the Republican DNA along with lying.

A degenerate party led by America's biggest degenerate.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. The one thing I would disagree with in the above

is the thing about the "black turnout being way down". I know nationwide, it was reduced from previous elections and in a number of states, it was actually suppressed. But here in Philly, it was down slightly but not "way down". In fact, it was comparable to the 2012 turnout.

What I did see here in Philly, was that the vote for 3rd parties was "way up". I.e., in the past couple Presidential elections, 3rd parties would garner about 5,000 total votes here. But in 2016, they got a total (Johnson + Stein) of 14,000 votes.

[sharedvalues]

4. F..ing Irish. Or F..ing Italians. If it were 50 years ago or more

These guys need to remember that every country hates poor immigrants. In the 20th century America hated Irish and Italians. Hated them so much that we hated Catholics and the Pope. Because the Irish and Italians came here to work low pay industrial labor jobs, in mines and factories.

Dollar to donut this guy who hates Mexicans had grandparents who were hated because they were immigrants. And he's too ignorant of history to get the irony.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

10. Yep! Some of the racism among right-wingers today also comes from...

... the fact that African Americans and other minorities usually vote for Democrats.

If most African Americans were like Ben Carson (in how they vote), I'd expect FOX News to make a strong change in how they're portrayed.

The wealthier and more educated Republicans are fanning the racist fire mostly because of their hatred for liberal economic policies. Many of those scumbags would support a totalitarian government if it meant liberals were eliminated. It explains why the Soviet Union was their enemy for being communist (with less attention to it being a dictatorship), but now Russia is their friend despite how it's still anti-democratic.

[Chasstev365]

5. Trump and the Right have given people licence to say what they have always felt

I work in an area with a high Hispanic (Mexican) population and these are some of the most wonderful, caring, and kindest people I've ever known. They work 2-3 jobs to give their kids a better life. What the hell is wrong with that?

It really bothers me that people vent their hatred towards people who have done nothing to them or in no what are s threat.

[Honeycombe8]

7. Well, there is something wrong with breaking the law.

We are a nation of laws. But what THIS guy did/said wasn't about that. It was about the man's nationality & ethnicity, which is something else. He probably wouldn't have said the same thing if the man and son were, say, Irish or Italian.

[Honeycombe8]

6. Aw, geez. Even at an ice cream place when a father is with his son. I'm sick of this.

I'm just getting sick and tired of this stuff. Being anti-illegal acts is one thing, but being anti-Mexican is something else entirely.

The U S has always been this way, though. Citizens were like this about the Irish, too. "The dirty Irish" they'd call them.

[nikibatts]

8. Reagan made it comfortable to begin with. It's been downhill since the Reagan era.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

11. Nixon preceded him with the "Southern Strategy" after the Civil Rights...

... bills were passed in the 60's.

[IronLionZion]

12. Trumpsters often assume others agree with them for some reason

And don't see the irony in that farms want affordable labor and not many Pennsylvanians are applying for fruit picking jobs. States like Arizona and Alabama that have cracked down hard on migrant workers have seen economic difficulty for the small farms who depend on this labor.

But sometimes a similar mentality is shown even on some liberal discussion boards where people think Indians are stealing tech jobs. People often assume that an Indian person is on some kind of work visa like H1b instead of being born and raised here, on a permanent residency (green card), or became a naturalized US citizen.

This happens with some Latinos too. Out west, Latino farmers exist whose families never crossed the border, the border crossed them.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

13. I've experienced that attitude as a white man.

Some whites have openly expressed their bigotry to me as if I'd agree with them because I'm white too! Being very "clean-cut" might play a role too.

I've also experienced the opposite from some African Americans. They sometimes treat me in an unfriendly or distrustful manner, even after I observed them being very nice to other African Americans.

As long as nobody attacks me based on my appearance, it's not a big deal to me. The superficial judgments and generalizations from some people just makes me sad.

[Dream Girl]

14. Sorry to say I'm much mor suspicious of white men these days...

I'm an AA won't and now I pretty much of assume that white men I encounter are likely Trump supporters and probably racist...especially if they are older. Never used to feel that way, but now I kind of assume the worst. Didn't used to feel this way.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

15. There's a bunch of white people who aren't that way, of course, but...

... I can empathize over the suspicions.

I've even stereotyped some white people based on their appearance. I'm often right about them, but some of them surprise me.

[Dream Girl]

17. Yes, I do stereotype based on appearance...baseball caps, jackets, flannel shirts,

Trucks, etc generally don't automatically assume this for hipster types, but still assume white priviledge and a sense of entitlement. Not necessarily fair I know, but there it is.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

18. Those are some of the same sterotypes for me too.

Maybe I should dress more like a hipster? Lol. I tend to keep my appearance very "neutral" just to blend in with most people, I guess. My hair is extremely short now, though, after my hair got so thin. Comb-overs and the like look ridiculous to me, so I hope nobody thinks I have skin-head tendencies!

Awhile back, I wore a rainbow-patterned multi-colored shirt that was bought many years ago and buried deep in my closet. It was more "flashy" than what I normally wear, but I hadn't done laundry for awhile. It was the day after the shootings in the gay bar in Orlando.

A grocery store clerk said to me, "I'm sorry about what happened to your people." I asked her what she meant and she mentioned the shootings. I was still confused, telling her that I wasn't gay although I felt bad about what happened, and she pointed out the shirt. LOL! I wasn't even thinking about that!

[calendargirl]

19. Jus' wondering--

Why do you assume that the Hispanic looking gentleman is a fruit picker? Why mention that at all? Can't an Hispanic person be in Pennsylvania for a reason other than field work? Seems like a false distinction to draw.

[Ptah]

20. Did the OP say the Hispanic looking gentleman is a fruit picker?

[calendargirl]

21. No..

So why mention it at all?

[Alea]

22. There is hope, the times, they are a changing

In the morning around here it is not uncommon to see a 14 passenger van filled with Latino workers pulling in to the local convenient store to get their breakfast and snacks and water for their day of work. Many times I have stood in line behind them as they check out. It's a busy store so there's always a line regardless, but when it's a line of 10 or 12 Latinos it kind of stands out. A few months ago I was waiting in line and the guy in front of me, who had already pretty much defiled me with his eyes, and was making all sorts of impatient disgruntled breath sounds, finally blurted out "f'ing mexicans". I was sort of shocked and was about to say something to him when the large burly white guy in front of him said, in a voice loud enough for the whole store to hear said "That's a good way to get your a** beat right here right now. How about you keep your bulls**t comments to yourself." I almost fainted! The crap talker turned red and didn't say a word. As I left the store I hoped I could catch up to the big guy and thank him for standing up like that, and maybe be asked my phone number, but he was already in his truck and leaving : (

A true man among men