The Nina Turners of the world

[Chevy]

are not allies but as much a threat to our fight as the Trumpers are.

Link to tweet

And David Sirota is a bold face liar.

Link to tweet

[OnDoutside]

1. Disgusting. Turner needs to be treated in the same way as Alex Jones.

[NurseJackie]

20. So what's the deal? Is Nina Turner protected? Does she get to denigrate Democrats

... with impunity? Is it against the rules to ridicule and scorn her in the same way we'd do with any Republican or Green Party member who smears Democrats?

Which camp is she in? Is she a Democrat that we have to respect? Is she an ally?

I need some guidance here.

[Chevy]

23. Guidance? It's simple Nurse Jackie

some need to wake the hell up and see who is trying to sabotage the Democratic party and stop pandering to the Pink Rose petals. Are they Russian Bots or actual purists? Who can tell. But a fact was it wasn't Russians booing John Lewis at the Convention sooo....

[Me.]

29. She's Fair Game As Long As I'm Concerned

[NurseJackie]

31. It's unclear to me.

Even though her wiki page describes her as a Democrat, and her personal web page suggests she's a Democrat... her actions CLEARLY indicate otherwise.

Maybe Skinner can check-in here and offer some guidance on whether or not people like Turner (who endorsed Jill Stein) get the same type of "protections" and "courtesies" extended to them as ACTUAL Democrats get.

[Me.]

39. Here My Take On That

If she posted the following on DU she'd be alerted on and have her post removed.
'Nina Turner
✔
@ninaturner

And what is the difference between the Democrats & Republicans again? Oh, the difference between the fox & the wolf!'

Further, I don't know why we have to respect someone who clearly doesn't respect us and is, in fact, trying to harm and damage us. There was a thread today about fighting back, this would be a good place to start.

[NurseJackie]

43. I hear ya... you'll get no argument from me.

[Me.]

44. Still

It says something about you that you thought about it and asked

[trueblue2007]

2. Turner lied about Hillary. She was awful. I agree with original posterl

[Trust Buster]

3. Turner resides on the far Left. I do not share her perspective.

[Stellar]

4. What exactly is the 'far left' anyway? nt

[Trust Buster]

5. The far Left is a place where moderation is not a concern. It is a concern to me.

[Stellar]

6. ok, thanks.

[Hortensis]

17. Definitely. Also, a political scientist describing the difference

between the far left and far right in a brief humorous version said it's that the far right hates everyone else while the far left hates itself. (This, btw, was after explaining the many similarities between them.)

"Itself" in this case is everything the far left somehow see themselves part of. They're the people who, when conversation turns to a problem anywhere in the world, typically feel the U.S. caused it, all other possible factors dismissed.

In this case, they're on the left and American, so they despise America's left, but above all our Democrats and dominant liberals because, of course, everything is our fault. A basic frame through which everything is filtered.

Trust Buster's totally right about moderation, not just not a concern but usually not even possible. It's a big part of who they are. They always tend to believe we're about to be destroyed by some catastrophe and always believe that only THEY can save us so that moderation and cooperation in any way is always out of the question. As are humility, self doubt, and respect for others.

All presenting in 100 shades of gray, of course.

[pnwmom]

33. In the great circle of life, some people are so far left

that they're joining hands with people on the far right.

[JI7]

8. not really, at this point she is more like a troll

[True Blue American]

10. She Is

A troll. Hanger on.

[Cha]

7. Of course, she's not an ally.. 3rd party voter nina turner is so

dense she doesn't know the difference between Dems and repugs.

Oh nina .. you are sooooo clever! LOL

she has an agenda as she sits in her little think tank with stein.

[True Blue American]

9. Nina

Lost her election in a Democratic area. Then she latched on to Bernie. He lost. Nina has been running desperately to any cable news she can find,trying to hang on.

As a moderate Democrat I have no use for her. Now,she can go find a real job.

[wasupaloopa]

11. One CA legislator shelved single payer. The CA Dems did not shelve Medicare for all.

[disillusioned73]

12. I'd like to know..

if single payer is going to be a Democratic 2018/2020 campaigning issue??

Yall can worry about attacking personalities, I'd like to know what I am voting FOR..

[Chevy]

14. How about not fascists??

Or is that to difficult for you??

[disillusioned73]

15. Who are the fascists??

Trump & his cabal.. or people that are FOR single payer?? I guess it has gotten TOO confusing figuring who they are, apparently..

I'm with E. Warren - Single payer
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/warren-the-next-step-for-dems-is-single-payer-health-care

[Chevy]

16. lol comical

If you really need to ask that question on a Democratic site.

Purists and populists electing fascists since 1933.

[disillusioned73]

18. It is comical..

that @ a "democratic" site, single payer isn't a more prominent issue.. but there are plenty of smears & innuendo about the folks that are for it..

[Chevy]

24. lol..

We want free sausage... Germany 1933

How is that "NOT for sale" working out for ya by the way?.. Sure hope they conclude that investigation quickly.....

[disillusioned73]

48. I'll just use Bernies words..

"Pathetic"..

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/339772-sanders-fbi-inquiry-of-wife-is-pathetic-attack


""All that I will tell you now is it's a sad state of affairs in America when not only we have politicians being destroyed... but when you go after people's wives. That's pretty pathetic."

[Chevy]

50. Suck it up

The moment she got into the political arena and showed herself everywhere on TV she became fair game.. But seriously sure hope that investigations concludes quickly.

[disillusioned73]

51. Apparently it's not just repubs anymore..

You'll Never Believe This, but Republicans Are Starting a Bernie Sanders Witch Hunt
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/06/youll-never-believe-this-but-republicans-are-start.html


Although, I think this is a good sign that the right is fearing his popularity and his message.. as they should

[Chevy]

52. Suck it up part 2

Ask the HRC about witch hunts for for 40 years and the rose petal crowd jumping in for the fun.

[disillusioned73]

53. At least your admitting it's a witch hunt..

Thank you.

For the record, I don't even know who the "rose petal crowd" might be..? I'll assume it's some kind of slight on HRC critics?

[Chevy]

54. Nothing was admitted at all

The FBI will conclude that story, no but the rose petal crowd are those who like to attack POC and women on twitter and claim to be progressives an worship at the alter of Cornel West, turner and the rest of them.

[disillusioned73]

55. Curious, how can they attack POC & women..

and then turn around and "worship at the alter" of a black man & a black women??

Logic escapes that equation.. or maybe that's just me..

[Chevy]

56. And there you have purisits for you

but yes quite a confused state aren't they? As long as they get to bash those neo liberal shills then they will find allies anywhere they can. Quite sickening actually.

[NurseJackie]

22. LOL! This again??

======================
"I'd like to know what I am voting FOR..
======================
Oh dear... It's so confusing, isn't it?

[disillusioned73]

28. I'm for single payer..

are you "nurse" jackie??

Cause I see lots of nurses out there that are.. that would be a pretty fine issue to run on in 2018/2020 - wouldn't it??

http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/site/entry/medicare-for-all]

http://www.nursesforsinglepayer.org/]

https://www.healthcare-now.org/]http://www.healthycaliforniaact.org/category/california-nurses-association/

[Chevy]

34. Lecturing a Nurse

Good god. lol

[disillusioned73]

35. Questioning a "nurse"..

I know as much about her as I know about you.. it is the internets, after all..

[Chevy]

37. And your using it quite well n/t

[NurseJackie]

42. That would be nice, wouldn't it?

Realistically, it's not likely to happen in the next 10 years... so in the meantime, I'm willing to accept half-a-loaf instead of starving to death. There's no shame in compromise, there no shame in incremental progress.

[Blue_true]

47. BOOMMM! nt

[LanternWaste]

25. I'll admit the convenience of concerning oneself with one and only issue

I'll admit the convenience of concerning (or, as you've inaccurately inferred, "attacking&quot oneself with one and only issue, unwilling or unable to hold more than one complex thought simultaneously.

It's a great bumper-sticker, a self-validation that really allows one's own light to shine brighter by dimming those around him. Nice work.

[disillusioned73]

32. A lot of word salad.. not much substance..

Sorry for dimming your nightlight..

It is disappointing to see so many offended when single payer is brought up around these parts.. but this being a "democratic" site (as far as I can tell) - I will continue to do so..

[Chevy]

36. Made perfect sense

but to those who can only juggle with one hand one could see how it is confusing. Offended?? Hardly not in the policy but the tactic to smear and lie about Democrats motives to get a functioning and workable bill while ACA is under assault.

[haele]

38. It's not personalities, it's misrepresentation of the reality on the ground.

Single Payer in CA was rightfully put on hold until there was a clearer idea on how to fund it. This Single Payer bill depended on continuing the current way the ACA Medicaid expansion is paid to the states, with some taxes to offset the cost of the additional insurance subscribers.
Since McConnell and Ryan are trying to gut Medicaid - and most likely Medicare, also, if they could - going forward with the bill as it is currently written would be catastrophic and bankrupt the State within three or four years should they succeed.

The funding has to be re-worked to protect Single Payer in California against the vagaries of the vindictive narcissists currently in power. The Randiod elite and the Dominionists want California to *fail* - and it's already been made clear that messing with our attempts to get Single Payer off the ground - something that will affect at least 8% of the state GDP - is part of their strategy.
And people outside the state Democratic Party who don't know (or pretend not to know) that are the ones who are going all "Corrupt Democratic Corporatist Establishment" about it.
This action on Single Payer has less to do with politics than it does to do with establishing the long-term sustainability of Single Payer. There is no magic "power of the people" wish-wand that can make this work. Believe me, I've made craploads of magic Lavender fairy wands - they do little more than make the air smell good while wishing for better things for everyone.
To make Single Payer work will take planning, and sometimes it will take regrouping and starting over.

Heele

[disillusioned73]

49. Thank you..

I guess we'll have to wait & see how this all unfolds in Cali.. at this point R's are not going to give up on their "repeal & replace" campaign slogan.. they can't, their mind twisted constituents & campaign donors won't allow them to..

[hrmjustin]

13. If she doesn't think there is a real difference then she is not paying attention.

It is a shame she has taken to trashing the party.

[NurseJackie]

27. It's getting to be difficult for me to tell who's an actual ally and who's not. Sometimes...

... I don't know whom to trust.

[Blue_Tires]

19. Tried to warn y'all

[Chevy]

21. Nah most of us knew that already

but the pink petal pushers on Twitter are buying in fully to the act.

[Gothmog]

26. Agreed

[still_one]

30. It is bullshit and a LIE from Sirota. The bill was put on hold because they need to see what

happens with the ACA, because that would affect funding for Single Payer, and though some like to ignore little details, they need to determine where and how much it will cost

[apcalc]

40. The purists-so heavenly minded they are no earthly good.

[Cha]

45. Funny thing.. the so-called "purists"

ain't so pure.

They just like to think they are.

[lunamagica]

41. Nina, if you can't see the differences beteen the Democratic and Republican parties, then you are

a really, really stupid woman

[BannonsLiver]

46. Isn't she a regular on RT?