I'm old school. Give me some time to digest these transgender bathroom rights.

[LesterKasai]

I don't wish harm to transgenders. I just need some time to digest it (males living as female using women's room, and vice versa).

[LexVegas]

1. How much time to "digest" basic rights?

[Igel]

28. People like clear boundaries.

I had a trans kid in my class.

Obviously female as far as sex. Identified as male for gender.

Used whatever bathroom was cleaner or less busy for the most part.

Bathrooms for guys had urinals and stalls for toilets. The girls bathroom didn't have urinals. Often students would change clothes in the large open area.

He only changed clothes in the girls room. Didn't want guys seeing him naked. But said it was unreasonable for guys not wanting him to see them undressed.

And of course he only used the girls shower.

Sometimes he. Sometimes de facto she. But insisted on being treated as he ... unless he objected. If you got it wrong you were discriminating.

It got tedious and he came to be shunned. I called him by his last name.

[bettyellen]

57. I bet.

[Coventina]

2. Trust me, you've been sharing restrooms with transgender people all your life.

You won't notice anything different.

[TheBlackAdder]

7. And, if one is out, they'll meet a person with AIDS every day and have a food preparer with STDs.

.

Many people just want to close their eyes and pretend things are Leave It To Beavery.

Even back then, that was a fraudulent presentation that some hold with a perverted nostalgia.

.

[Coventina]

11. Yup. Although, I will protest the "Leave it to Beaver" reference.

LitB was actually a pretty controversial show for its day.

It tackled "taboo" subjects like child abuse, divorce, and animal cruelty. It was also the first show on television to depict a toilet on camera! And, despite June being a stay at home mom, she was treated as an equal partner to Ward on screen, and frequently calls him on his BS (in a serious way, not just played for laughs).

We make fun of it now, but it actually was one of the most progressive shows on television in its day.

[jberryhill]

38. And who can forget this first-of-it's-kind line on TV

When June said, "Ward, I think you were a little too hard on the Beaver last night."

[Coventina]

40. Actually, yes.

There were several episodes about child abuse and neglect, but there is one where June and Ward have a conversation after Ward loses his temper.

She asks him, "Do you want our boys to be afraid of you the way you were afraid of your father?"

I know it sounds normal for us today, but it was truly ground-breaking television at the time.

(And yes, I get the joke).

[LexVegas]

3. Bye...

[we can do it]

33. I'll second that.

Buh bye

[tazkcmo]

4. How much time do you need

to not look in a stall occupied by other people? There's a vert good chance you wouldn't know, other wise. I'm sorry, but what's the big deal? Everybody poops. BTW, I'm old school too but never cared about who I pooped or peed around.

[mythology]

10. This.

When I'm in the bathroom it is to go to the bathroom. About the only thing the person next to me can do to be a bother to that is to try to enter the same stall. Okay, or talk on their phone because that is just uncouth.

[Demsrule86]

5. Why would you post that...and no we won't

I am sure Lester Maddox wanted time also...

[Skittles]

6. LOL

FUCK NO

[leftstreet]

8. Awww...

[karadax]

24. This one gets overlooked all the time.

Nobody cares when it's a porta-potty at a concert or fair / carnival.

[NCTraveler]

9. Should have worn a helmet. nt.

[hurple]

12. Here's an easy way

If RuPaul in full drag walked into a men's room, how do you think everyone in the room would react?

Conversely, if RuPaul, not in drag, walked into a women's room, how would everyone in the room react?

[displacedtexan]

43. Are you too you too young for college dorm life?

Unisex toilets and showers are pretty common and have been for decades... As are dorms.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. If you're legit (and not just a troll), I'd be happy to give you some pointers:

1. We aren't known as "Transgenders" We are "Transgender" people (or just people, really).
2. Transgender people are NOT "males living as female" and vice-versa. Transgender women ARE women and identify AS women and want to be referred to as women. Transgender men ARE men and identify AS Men. Transgender people seek to present as their identified gender. There are also persons whom identify as "Non-Binary" or "GenderQueer" or other ways too numerous to list.
3. It is unsafe and psychologically harmful for Transgender women and men to be forced to use restrooms for their gender for which they do NOT identify. Do YOU want to be forced to use the "wrong" bathroom? Does sending a fully presenting Transgender woman in a dress into the men's room even make the slightest iota of sense- not to mention the safety risks. Aside from that, assuming that you are not checking out other people's bodies while they are using the restroom (which would be illegal BTW), you would never even know whether a Transgender person is even using the restroom, so what is there to "digest"? If somebody is doing something other than using the facilities, then that is wrong no matter what the gender and should be alerted on. Thankfully, there is no evidence that Transgender people are doing anything inappropriate in restrooms nationwide and the hypothetical fear that some Transgender person might do something inappropriate in a public facility is no reason to pass punitive laws against us, especially when there exists the exact same potential for anybody else to similarly behave inappropriately in a public facility and there are already laws on the book to sufficiently address any observed misconduct.

[Iggo]

14. Fuck no.

[tblue37]

15. These men are transgender. Do they belong in the women's restroom?

These women are transgender. Should they be forced into the men's room, where they are at risk of assault?

[Hekate]

42. Beautiful, tblue. Really beautiful.

[zz-la]

54. A lot of idiot Republicans don't know what Transgender means

They think it means putting a wig and dress on and running through the ladies room trying to pinch women on the butts. They are so stupid that they take no time to even research what they are going on and on about. Because where is the fun in actually educating yourself what a Transgender person is. It's much more fun to be close minded and stupid than to be open minded and intelligent. Also I think there has always been an effort where Republicans and conservative Americans in general, enjoy discriminating against people that they look down upon as different. It makes them feel better about themselves, and gives them a feeling of power and control over others, especially women and minorities, who they love to try and control and belittle.

[Floyd R. Turbo]

16. I recommend that you take care of business prior to leaving home.

You may however be surprised with whom you are sharing the facilities in your house!

[Mariana]

17. Why don't you be more clear?

Do you currently oppose "these transgender bathroom rights", because you haven't had enough time to digest it?

[DefenseLawyer]

18. What exactly are you doing in the bathroom that would make you give a fuck?

who else might be using the bathroom?

[AngryAmish]

46. It is my inherent right to kick in every bathroom stall door and do a genital check

On everyone in there. I am an American, dammit!

[pnwmom]

19. Think about this. People who say transgender people should use bathrooms

corresponding to the gender on their original birth certificate are saying that bearded trans-men (who were born female) should use the ladies' room, and women will be feel safer with them in there.

Does that make sense to you?

[Vinca]

20. Unless you're checking the genitalia of other bathroom users. you probably won't be aware of it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. You can spend all the time digesting it that you want. Progress will march on without you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Do you want a junk inspector at every restroom?

Somebody who will check your junk before you can go ?

[haele]

23. Would you know if the person in the stall next to you was transgender?

Would you rather someone who presents as the opposite gender walks in on you - or your opposite sex spouse or child because s/he is forced to identify as the gender on the birth certificate?
This is what it comes down to. The trans-genders I know who have not yet completed the transition typically use the bathroom that is *safest* for them - the bathroom they look like they belong in and won't get beat up if they walk into it, not the one they "feel like" going to at the time. The typical transgender person goes into a bathroom or a dressing room just wants to go to the bathroom or a dressing room.
No matter if they sit to pee, or stand at a urinal.
As it is, my biologically male spouse sits down to pee, it's more comfortable for him with his debilitating arthritis and back problems. But he won't go into a woman's restroom just because he prefers to sit doing number 1...

It's pervs like Donald Drumpf who are the ones to walk into a bathroom or dressing room of the opposite gender to "scope out" potential sex objects. And they're far more likely to walk in after a "pretty lady" into the women's restroom to force an intimacy than a trans-gendered person would, because in my experience People who think they're "all that" tend to be the real Perverts.

I'm old school too. But it might be that because my folks weren't hung up on nudity, and after 20 years in the military dealing with open bay shower and bathrooms, I'm just not that hung up on who walks in on bathrooms.

As a old shipmate of mine said "Who cares, we've all seen it before..."

Haele

[NightWatcher]

26. Why do you care what happens in the next stall? Pee, flush, wash, & leave

You're putting too much thought into the toilet.

No one should mess with anyone on the toilet, be they man, lady, or other.

[LeftyMom]

27. I occasionally care for a senior who is trans. I need time to digest bigots in enclosed spaces

with her. Please stay home until I get used to the idea and less concerned for her safety in your presence. While you're doing so maybe try reading and learning (hint: transgender women aren't "males living as female.&quot

[Nevernose]

29. Stop peeking at other people's genitals

If you know that someone else in the bathroom with you is trans, then YOU are the pervert, because you're the one sneaking peeks at other people's junk.

Also, most toilets work for both or either sex. At least, that's how the ones in my house operate...

[elehhhhna]

30. Get over it.

[Wolf Frankula]

31. I Attended SCA Events for 25 Years

There there is a line for the potties. You go to the next place available. That should be the way in mundania. Sitzen nicht spritzen.

Wolf

[MyNameIsKhan]

32. this is basic human right what is there to digest

[obamanut2012]

34. Just stop it, and delete this

You don't get to "digest" and take time for someone's rights.

Is "old school" what they are calling it now

[NurseJackie]

35. I hope you understand... they're not playing "dress-up" you know! It's not a game.

You should probably self-delete this. It's hurtful.

[ismnotwasm]

36. The OP has been escorted out of the building

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=343142

[NurseJackie]

39. Thank goodness for that!

[leftyladyfrommo]

37. I wish they would just have single bathrooms

Available as well as ones with several stalls.

Where I see a real problem is at the library. Lots of fathers and grandfathers bring their little daughters and little granddaughters to the programs. That means the fathers have to take their little daughters into the men's bathrooms. It isn't a problem for mothers to take their little son's into the women's where it is all single stalls. But the men's has urinals out in the open.

If places also had a couple of single bathrooms available, complete with changing tables it would make things a lot easier.

[Hekate]

41. Is it only California that has unisex bathrooms in nearly every public venue? They're called ...

...handicap accessible and are clearly marked with the symbols for Man, Woman, and Wheelchair. There's enough room for a person in a wheelchair, plus an attendant. It's a self contained unit, not in a row of cubicles in a same-gender restroom.

Unlike handicap parking spaces, handicap accessible restrooms so marked may be used by anyone in need. They are perfect for mothers pushing strollers, with or without an additional toddler in tow. They are excellent for *anyone* needing that extra bit of privacy and space.

My recommendation for you is to MYOB. "A man dressed as a woman" is likely to be accepted at face value (or without comment) unless it's some clown like Rudy Giulani in drag -- in other words, a straight male who thinks lady-stuff is just too hilarious for words and is purposely violating women's privacy.

[Aristus]

44. An "old-school" concern troll.

Good riddance.

[XRubicon]

45. one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi

Time's up. Take a Tums or something.

[WoonTars]

47. No.

Why would it matter what gender they were born versus how they identify now?

Do you habitually check people's genitals when using the restroom?

[Blecht]

48. The first step in addressing one's own bigotry

is to recognize it for what it is and to avoid using terms like "old school".

[Solly Mack]

49. You don't need time to digest or even adjust to other people's civil rights.

Their right to the dignity to be who they are isn't something you have to adjust to (or digest) - it's their right. You have rights and expect people to respect them, so why do you need time to respect the rights of other people?

And, for the record, a female identifying male IS a woman. So it's a woman living as a woman using the women's room.

This isn't hard to grasp. It really isn't.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. Aww. Poor widdle you.

I'm new school and am having a hard time accepting you as a real human being and not a troll. We all have our burdens.

[Cairycat]

51. There's not a lot to understand, IMO

1. People use bathrooms to pee. When you gotta go, you gotta go!

2. Bathrooms are designed for excreting, not having sex, and the vast majority of people use them for that purpose the vast majority of the time.

Like the funny bathroom signs say, "We don't care. Just wash your hands!"

[Quayblue]

52. Transgenders been in all the bathrooms

Before this even became an issue.

I find it weird that people are just now noticing.

[zz-la]

53. They (REPUBLICANS) started noticing right around the time they lost the Gay Marriage debate

Before that it wasn't a national issue, but after those "meanies" on SCOTUS ruled that Gay Marriage was the law of the land, these despicable and deplorable republicans had to find a new issue to get behind on, and transgender people became their next targets.

Hillary was only half right when she called them deplorable, they are also a cancer.

[chowder66]

55. Think about what they must go through to live freely as human beings. That might help a little.

We can't know their experience but we do know how horrible people can be towards others.

[gollygee]

56. I have an androgynous non-binary teenage child

And my child is routinely harassed since these bathroom issues have come up. While you're getting used to it, my child is being endangered. This harassment could easily turn to violence.

People need to grow up and deal with it so transgender people can pee in peace. It isn't complicated. Use the bathroom and leave other people alone.