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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Twitter story is a smokescreen. Trump admin asked all 50 states for voter rolls today.
I am as anti-conspiracy as they come. And "the president's" tweets are really loathsome, truly the stuff of a deranged 12-year old.
But I think it was an intentional bit of bait for the media and progressives, because he also did this today:
Trump election panel asks all 50 states for voter roll data
The vice chairman of President Trumps commission on election integrity sent a letter to all 50 states Wednesday requesting information on their voter rolls.
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is seeking several pieces of information about voters, including their names, birthdays, the last four digits of their Social Security numbers and their voting history dating back to 2006.
The letter, sent to the secretaries of state of all 50 states and obtained by The Hill, directs states to turn over publicly-available voter roll data including, if publicly available under the laws of your state, the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available, addresses, dates of birth, political party (if recorded in your state), last four digits of social security number if available, [and] voter history from 2006 onward.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340117-trump-election-integrity-commission-requests-years-of-voter-data-from
MFM008
(19,803 posts)If they can, I see the West coast telling them to PISS OFF.
jpljr77
(1,004 posts)NY, VT, NH, MD, etc.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)a specific purpose and just because the president and his commissions demands it doesn't mean they are automatically entitled to data on me or anyone else simply because he wants it. I hope all the blue states resist. Make him go to the Supreme Court to obtain it, which he should lose because no one has ever been able to prove any voter fraud on a wide scale basis to date, and I don't imagine Trump and his minions have any evidence of any voter fraud either.
brush
(53,743 posts)If they get that info we can kiss election wins all over the country goodbye as they will purge all AA, Latino and Asian-sounding names from the vote rolls.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)They're asking for party affiliation so they won't have to guess by name or address anymore. They can just straight-out target Democrats.
They also want your address, so if you move and neglect to cancel your voter registration at your old address, they'll label you a "fraudulent voter" and cancel your registration at both addresses.
And if you have a name similar to someone else who's also a Democrat? You'll both be purged from the voter rolls.
The right-wing media would be outraged about this if a Democratic administration proposed it, but when a Republican president does it, it's a-okay with them.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)to comply.
Im sure others not far behind.
brush
(53,743 posts)vote suppression private investigators, attorneys, anti-hacknng experts the works or they are just going to get away with rigging every election.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Cha
(296,851 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,306 posts)What was the AG's margin of victory? 907 votes? Something like that?
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)onecaliberal
(32,780 posts)The collusion that maladministration Zhou get NOTHING from Amy state.
gordianot
(15,234 posts)Am sure they are much quicker.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Red states may comply but not purple and blue. This has to be illegal.
shraby
(21,946 posts)As careful as they are with information, they'll probably sell it all to the highest bidder, foreign or domestic.
Botany
(70,447 posts)Kobach along with Russia helped to rig the last election and now he is in
charge of seeing what went wrong?
brooklynite
(94,358 posts)The claimed reason for this Committee is to research Trump's spurious claim of illegal voters, which includes people registered to vote in more than one jurisdiction.
Botany
(70,447 posts)Kobach is the reason Brownback kept his seat as governor of Kansas .....
even the republicans didn't like him and yet he won.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)no doubt where T got it. ELECTION fraud is what we need to be looking at and Kobach was massively involved in that with the Interstate Crosscheck program.
brooklynite
(94,358 posts)ecstatic
(32,653 posts)And worrisome for 2018. But if they purge me or anyone I know, I'm calling and writing every news network I know.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,601 posts)That kind of data should not be in the hands of this administration.
Cha
(296,851 posts)AJT
(5,240 posts)I don't know what they think they can do with it, except make a really long "enemies list".
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)bounds of legality constrain them.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,242 posts)is whether you voted or not. No one knows who you voted for. There is no paper trail for that.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,242 posts)but it is in California.
zz-la
(224 posts)At least I thought it was. I do not know though.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)If the information is "publicly available" they can look it up, no need to ask the states to do their work for them. This, it seems to me, is a set up to claim the states "will not cooperate." The appropriate response is "Sure, just pay us for our time and materials like anyone else would."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,242 posts)No one knows who you voted for. No paper trail exists. Think about it. Is your name on the ballot you dropped in the box? That ballot becomes anonymous once you cast it. One might assume you voted for your party's candidate, but that's all.
CousinIT
(9,225 posts)voter suppression system and it can be 100% guaranteed that this prick is up to NO GOOD with it. They only want to use it to implement NATIONWIDE voter suppression in the mold of NC and WI.
EDIT: Anyone who cannot grok that this jerk and SHitler are not to be trusted with this information is being a pollyanna. It's well known that they intend to claim MILLIONS voted illegally and to scrub voter rolls of people of color, women, and most Dem voters under the guise of "voter fraud".
CousinIT
(9,225 posts)Connecticut SoS responds: "Given Secretary Kobach's history we find it very difficult to have confidence in the work of this Commission"
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)nothing that will be applied until long after the bogus "winner" is certified, and even then it will only be a slap on the wrist. the GOP has learned this lesson very well.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)But all Secretaries of State, especially those in blue states, should refuse to comply and prepare to litigate the issue.
They are trying to be sneaky by including the the phrase "publicly available." But, the last 4 digits of one's social security number and political party are not customarily publicly available information. This information "search" is unreasonable and a violation of privacy.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)will remove undesirable voters, but they can send propaganda to the weakest links in this country.
haele
(12,640 posts)That's a major privacy breach right there he's asking for. And all this the information will also become "available to the public"? There's absolutely no reason to have a centralized national voter roll with social security numbers and party affiliation, unless you want to "Cross-Check" those lists into throwing people of the opposition party off the rolls - right before an election year?
Unfortunately, I can see a few SoSs go along with this; but they've probably already used Cross-Check to get rid of pesky opposition voters.
Sue, sue, sue the criminals.
Haele
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,961 posts)riversedge
(70,087 posts)prevent this from happening??
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)for the Elections Services department at the Secretary of State's office in Helena, MT. I am following up with an email now. I don't want my information given to anybody. Kris Kobach is as dirty as they get. Get ready folks, this fight could be bad. They're stealing any election integrity that we have left right now.
Delmette2.0
(4,157 posts)Every SOS office should be swamped with phone calls and emails.
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)* I got a return phone call from the Elections Services office. They tell me that they in fact do have a request from the DOJ asking for voter ID rolls IF state law permits turning them over. I am told that this policy may vary state to state. Apparently you can purchase the voter list in Montana for $1000. The clerk that I spoke to stated that whoever they are turning the info over to would not have access to "live data". Only the county elections secretaries have that access and can only add or delete data after a multi level log in process. That said, I don't trust that whatever election integrity we have remaining isn't being stolen at this very minute.
Keep your eyes on this people. Less attention to Dump's stupid tweets.
Delmette2.0
(4,157 posts)But, seriously, the entire state voter list for $1,000?
That is not even a penny per person on the list.
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)Thing to the clerk who called me. He told he the price used to be $60. Wth? Seriously? I don't trust any of this. Montana is so damned red...I am holding out some hope that our Dem governor will stand up to this.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)... in a country where everything is for sale legally anyway. Capitalism is great!
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)And, no wonder...right?
Delmette2.0
(4,157 posts)And my state Senator.
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)It is on my to-do list for first thing tomorrow as well. And, making another donation to the ACLU.
Delmette2.0
(4,157 posts)Montana will not participate.
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)FYI...the SOS elections officer never called me back today. This report makes me feel less like kicking his ass. Yay Montana!
politicat
(9,808 posts)The SSN last 4 is not public in most states.
The thing is, the Feds already have access to this. Facebook has access. I have access if I really want it. It can be downloaded from the Secretary of State's website.
There's a pretty good writeup in the Colorado Independent today, from the (Republican, but more paleo than Teabag) Secretary of State. (Kobach doesn't have many fans here, even among rabid Rs.)
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/166135/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-trumo-colorado-wayne-williams
Mr.Bill
(24,242 posts)California's SoS has already announced he will not cooperate, but the information being requested is available to the public.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)No
Yours truly,
Every sane Secretary of State
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Most of this is publicly available so they can get it themselves. I'm against wasting NYe time and money on this BS that's being run by a nasty man, Kobach, who refers to himself as the "ACLUs worst nightmare" (see link below). To be clearer and more accurate he's our Constitution's worst nightmare.
If it's not publicly he can pound salt with open sounds because if it's not publicly available it's a violation of voters right to privacy and unacceptable.
All this so some buttholes like Kobach can suppress even MORE votes... umm.. f' you, NO.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/magazine/the-man-behind-trumps-voter-fraud-obsession.html
bora13
(860 posts)they can write their own DB of those who they oppose.
I wonder if any other creepy group has ever wanted mass
records of those they hate?
Kaleva
(36,258 posts)By all credible reports, the Trump White House is a giant cluster fuck.
ancianita
(35,933 posts)"Always remember that when given overwhelming evidence of Russian tampering and zero evidence of voter fraud, Trump chose to investigate us."
procon
(15,805 posts)under the Constitution. They have always fought against any efforts by the feds to interfere or meddle with their rights to set their own electoral policies and procedures. They will not likely make such a major and far reaching concession to a president like Trump who has dismally low ratings and a diminishing clout to pull off anything as controversial as this.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,601 posts)"He said he views the commission with great suspicion and believes it has a predetermined outcome." http://blogs.mprnews.org/capitol-view/2017/06/simon-skeptical-of-white-house-request-for-voter-data/ He says he hasn't made a final decision. Maybe he needs me and other Minnesota DUers to help him...
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,601 posts)The Secretary of State's name is Steve Simon, email secretary.state@state.mn.us
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)Take those and run a total and check the total against what was certified. If it is more the the margin of error, someone better be screaming. The error will not be at the voting machine but at the central tabulators.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)and thanks for posting. I'm headed to the ACLU website to donate. Again.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)I just hope the MSM covers this.
Cha
(296,851 posts)in the wh needs to be address.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)start tweaking the data for the midterm elections.
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lpbk2713
(42,738 posts)And who they won't.
-Steph-
(409 posts)don't think the Republicans could win general elections anymore. What they represent is just too outdated and grotesque. It's why they fight so hard to do what they can to rig elections, it's literally the only shot they even have anymore.
Unfortunately, the average person either doesn't care enough, or isn't aware enough to care, about what's happening to the integrity of our elections.
If they can get away with installing Donald Trump, of all people, into the White House.... against someone as formidable as HRC, then they'll have zero problems installing just about anyone else once they don't have to worry about the orange buffoon anymore.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)It's sort of like a child breaking everything in the house to distract from a bad report card.
jpljr77
(1,004 posts)Turbineguy
(37,291 posts)pretend like he can't get that information from Russia.
Well, maybe not that smart.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)The Trump Admin is not going to count of the Russians to flip votes for republican candidates in the 2018 Elections... The republicans are trying to make sure that they can prevent as many Dem-leaning voters as possible are denied their right to vote through Cross-Check!