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jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:23 PM Jun 2017

The Twitter story is a smokescreen. Trump admin asked all 50 states for voter rolls today.

I am as anti-conspiracy as they come. And "the president's" tweets are really loathsome, truly the stuff of a deranged 12-year old.

But I think it was an intentional bit of bait for the media and progressives, because he also did this today:

Trump election panel asks all 50 states for voter roll data

The vice chairman of President Trump’s commission on election integrity sent a letter to all 50 states Wednesday requesting information on their voter rolls.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is seeking several pieces of information about voters, including their names, birthdays, the last four digits of their Social Security numbers and their voting history dating back to 2006.

The letter, sent to the secretaries of state of all 50 states and obtained by The Hill, directs states to turn over “publicly-available voter roll data including, if publicly available under the laws of your state, the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available, addresses, dates of birth, political party (if recorded in your state), last four digits of social security number if available, [and] voter history from 2006 onward.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340117-trump-election-integrity-commission-requests-years-of-voter-data-from

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The Twitter story is a smokescreen. Trump admin asked all 50 states for voter rolls today. (Original Post) jpljr77 Jun 2017 OP
can they refuse? MFM008 Jun 2017 #1
I would hope so, and not just Western states. I can't imagine certain Eastern ones complying either jpljr77 Jun 2017 #11
I agree. Why would the president be entitled to this information? This is state data intended for politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2017 #22
Red flags should be going up all over the country. Koback is the Interstate Crosscheck vote purger brush Jun 2017 #27
Or they could just purge registered Democrats. subterranean Jun 2017 #47
I read California is refusing MFM008 Jun 2017 #74
They're definitely snakes. We need a well-funded, standing committee in the DNC to combat their ... brush Jun 2017 #80
here you go: Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #30
HAHA.. good ol Gov McAuliffe! Cha Jun 2017 #38
Give 'em hell, Terry. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #54
Great link. Glad to see this is being exposed. nt R B Garr Jun 2017 #69
Yes! DesertRat Jun 2017 #64
Fuck then. Until we know what happened with Russia and the election and the extent of onecaliberal Jun 2017 #2
Why not just ask your Russian friends? gordianot Jun 2017 #3
More purging from Kobach. Iliyah Jun 2017 #4
How dare they ask for the last four digits of the social security number! shraby Jun 2017 #5
What does a voter list have to do with election integrity and Russia hacking our elections? Botany Jun 2017 #6
Serious answer: voter fraud brooklynite Jun 2017 #9
Kobach and the Russians will just use that data to help "manage" future elections Botany Jun 2017 #13
I think we're revisiting the whole "3 million people voted illegally for HRC" bullshit Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #21
Kobach was involved in the Trump campaign and spins the narrative about voter fraud. This is Amaryllis Jun 2017 #66
Point to any example of strategic thinking that Trump has shown previously. brooklynite Jun 2017 #7
Is he asking for Putin? Wow! This is serious ecstatic Jun 2017 #8
What if a state refuses to do it? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #10
.. Cha Jun 2017 #40
All the info they requested is publicly available. AJT Jun 2017 #12
you mean you don't know what they can do with it *legally*... don't worry, they won't let the bounds TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #19
Voting history is not. Secret ballot and all that. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #24
The only voting history your state has on you Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #32
Is your party registration available? D or R etc.? AJT Jun 2017 #46
I can't speak for every state, Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #57
Isn't that already public information though zz-la Jun 2017 #72
Yes. It's what campaigns use to GOTV. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #82
"Voting history" can mean did or didn't. rzemanfl Jun 2017 #33
True. Some states or other entities have purged voters for "not voting in a long time." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #83
How can who I voted for be 'publicaly available?' pangaia Jun 2017 #52
It isn't. Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #58
Whether that request is a big deal or not, this is KRIS KOBACH architect of 'crosscheck' CousinIT Jun 2017 #14
Connecticut SoS rightly questions Kobach's request for the same reason I do... CousinIT Jun 2017 #15
the highlighted part is important; there is essentially no penalty for election rigging, at least no TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #18
Republican-controlled SOS offices will probably turn the information over. Tatiana Jun 2017 #16
I live in Michigan and if they were smart they would not do this. GreenEyedLefty Jun 2017 #51
nothing to see here folks...seriously, we will never have another legit election in this country. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #17
Oh, hell. Not only can they give this information to a third party that Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #20
Can they take it to court? haele Jun 2017 #23
Is the return email address kremlin.ru? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #25
I do not want my information in the hands of the WH. what can we do to riversedge Jun 2017 #26
Another excellent waste of time and money (ridiculous distraction). BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #28
I just left a voice mail MontanaMama Jun 2017 #29
Great idea. Delmette2.0 Jun 2017 #35
:UPDATE: MontanaMama Jun 2017 #41
Thanks for the update Delmette2.0 Jun 2017 #43
I said exactly the same MontanaMama Jun 2017 #50
No need for hacking computers... TomVilmer Jun 2017 #60
No shit. MontanaMama Jun 2017 #61
I'm going to call Gov Bullock and my State Representative and Delmette2.0 Jun 2017 #65
Good. Thank you. MontanaMama Jun 2017 #70
Just on KXLH News Delmette2.0 Jun 2017 #84
This is SUCH great news. MontanaMama Jul 2017 #85
The voter roll data is already public. This is Kobach being a lazy git. politicat Jun 2017 #31
That is correct. Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #34
Dear partisan voter suppression chair... WePurrsevere Jun 2017 #36
no IBM this time bora13 Jun 2017 #37
You're giving Trump waaaay too much credit. Kaleva Jun 2017 #39
I agree with LivingBlue: ancianita Jun 2017 #42
The states will jealously guard their election data as a sovereign right procon Jun 2017 #44
The Minnesota Secretary of State is skeptical. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #45
I can help. warmfeet Jun 2017 #49
I just fired off an email. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #53
There are plenty of states with tapes from the voting machine (Arkansas can't be the only one) LiberalArkie Jun 2017 #48
The ACLU is already on it GreenEyedLefty Jun 2017 #55
Good to hear MontanaMama Jun 2017 #62
That is excellent news. Great link. R B Garr Jun 2017 #68
We can multi-task.. this perversion of the squatter Cha Jun 2017 #56
Muther Ru$$ia must have asked for the Con to bring them to the meeting next week. They need to KewlKat Jun 2017 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat Jun 2017 #63
Making a list of who the IRS will audit. lpbk2713 Jun 2017 #67
Without voter suppression, gerrymandering, and all of these other dirty tactics they use, I honestly -Steph- Jun 2017 #71
Kick. dalton99a Jun 2017 #73
If this "Distraction" thing is really a strategy ThoughtCriminal Jun 2017 #75
Think about who you're talking about here n/t jpljr77 Jun 2017 #81
Smart move Turbineguy Jun 2017 #76
This is Cross-Check implementation on a nation-wide basis... TheDebbieDee Jun 2017 #77
VA gov. McAuliffe said "No". nt Ilsa Jun 2017 #78
No one should help Kobach suppress the vote Gothmog Jun 2017 #79

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
11. I would hope so, and not just Western states. I can't imagine certain Eastern ones complying either
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:32 PM
Jun 2017

NY, VT, NH, MD, etc.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
22. I agree. Why would the president be entitled to this information? This is state data intended for
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 05:29 PM
Jun 2017

a specific purpose and just because the president and his commissions demands it doesn't mean they are automatically entitled to data on me or anyone else simply because he wants it. I hope all the blue states resist. Make him go to the Supreme Court to obtain it, which he should lose because no one has ever been able to prove any voter fraud on a wide scale basis to date, and I don't imagine Trump and his minions have any evidence of any voter fraud either.

brush

(53,743 posts)
27. Red flags should be going up all over the country. Koback is the Interstate Crosscheck vote purger
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jun 2017

If they get that info we can kiss election wins all over the country goodbye as they will purge all AA, Latino and Asian-sounding names from the vote rolls.

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
47. Or they could just purge registered Democrats.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jun 2017

They're asking for party affiliation so they won't have to guess by name or address anymore. They can just straight-out target Democrats.

They also want your address, so if you move and neglect to cancel your voter registration at your old address, they'll label you a "fraudulent voter" and cancel your registration at both addresses.

And if you have a name similar to someone else who's also a Democrat? You'll both be purged from the voter rolls.

The right-wing media would be outraged about this if a Democratic administration proposed it, but when a Republican president does it, it's a-okay with them.

brush

(53,743 posts)
80. They're definitely snakes. We need a well-funded, standing committee in the DNC to combat their ...
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jun 2017

vote suppression — private investigators, attorneys, anti-hacknng experts — the works or they are just going to get away with rigging every election.

onecaliberal

(32,780 posts)
2. Fuck then. Until we know what happened with Russia and the election and the extent of
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jun 2017

The collusion that maladministration Zhou get NOTHING from Amy state.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
5. How dare they ask for the last four digits of the social security number!
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:27 PM
Jun 2017

As careful as they are with information, they'll probably sell it all to the highest bidder, foreign or domestic.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
6. What does a voter list have to do with election integrity and Russia hacking our elections?
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:27 PM
Jun 2017

Kobach along with Russia helped to rig the last election and now he is in
charge of seeing what went wrong?


brooklynite

(94,358 posts)
9. Serious answer: voter fraud
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jun 2017

The claimed reason for this Committee is to research Trump's spurious claim of illegal voters, which includes people registered to vote in more than one jurisdiction.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
13. Kobach and the Russians will just use that data to help "manage" future elections
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:34 PM
Jun 2017

Kobach is the reason Brownback kept his seat as governor of Kansas .....
even the republicans didn't like him and yet he won.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
66. Kobach was involved in the Trump campaign and spins the narrative about voter fraud. This is
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:25 PM
Jun 2017

no doubt where T got it. ELECTION fraud is what we need to be looking at and Kobach was massively involved in that with the Interstate Crosscheck program.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
8. Is he asking for Putin? Wow! This is serious
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jun 2017

And worrisome for 2018. But if they purge me or anyone I know, I'm calling and writing every news network I know.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
12. All the info they requested is publicly available.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:34 PM
Jun 2017

I don't know what they think they can do with it, except make a really long "enemies list".

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
19. you mean you don't know what they can do with it *legally*... don't worry, they won't let the bounds
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jun 2017

bounds of legality constrain them.

Mr.Bill

(24,242 posts)
32. The only voting history your state has on you
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jun 2017

is whether you voted or not. No one knows who you voted for. There is no paper trail for that.

rzemanfl

(29,554 posts)
33. "Voting history" can mean did or didn't.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jun 2017

If the information is "publicly available" they can look it up, no need to ask the states to do their work for them. This, it seems to me, is a set up to claim the states "will not cooperate." The appropriate response is "Sure, just pay us for our time and materials like anyone else would."

Mr.Bill

(24,242 posts)
58. It isn't.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jun 2017

No one knows who you voted for. No paper trail exists. Think about it. Is your name on the ballot you dropped in the box? That ballot becomes anonymous once you cast it. One might assume you voted for your party's candidate, but that's all.

CousinIT

(9,225 posts)
14. Whether that request is a big deal or not, this is KRIS KOBACH architect of 'crosscheck'
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:35 PM
Jun 2017

voter suppression system and it can be 100% guaranteed that this prick is up to NO GOOD with it. They only want to use it to implement NATIONWIDE voter suppression in the mold of NC and WI.

EDIT: Anyone who cannot grok that this jerk and SHitler are not to be trusted with this information is being a pollyanna. It's well known that they intend to claim MILLIONS voted illegally and to scrub voter rolls of people of color, women, and most Dem voters under the guise of "voter fraud".

CousinIT

(9,225 posts)
15. Connecticut SoS rightly questions Kobach's request for the same reason I do...
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:52 PM
Jun 2017

Connecticut SoS responds: "Given Secretary Kobach's history we find it very difficult to have confidence in the work of this Commission"

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
18. the highlighted part is important; there is essentially no penalty for election rigging, at least no
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 05:14 PM
Jun 2017

nothing that will be applied until long after the bogus "winner" is certified, and even then it will only be a slap on the wrist. the GOP has learned this lesson very well.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
16. Republican-controlled SOS offices will probably turn the information over.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 05:06 PM
Jun 2017

But all Secretaries of State, especially those in blue states, should refuse to comply and prepare to litigate the issue.

They are trying to be sneaky by including the the phrase "publicly available." But, the last 4 digits of one's social security number and political party are not customarily publicly available information. This information "search" is unreasonable and a violation of privacy.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
20. Oh, hell. Not only can they give this information to a third party that
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 05:21 PM
Jun 2017

will remove undesirable voters, but they can send propaganda to the weakest links in this country.

haele

(12,640 posts)
23. Can they take it to court?
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 05:58 PM
Jun 2017

That's a major privacy breach right there he's asking for. And all this the information will also become "available to the public"? There's absolutely no reason to have a centralized national voter roll with social security numbers and party affiliation, unless you want to "Cross-Check" those lists into throwing people of the opposition party off the rolls - right before an election year?
Unfortunately, I can see a few SoSs go along with this; but they've probably already used Cross-Check to get rid of pesky opposition voters.

Sue, sue, sue the criminals.

Haele

MontanaMama

(23,296 posts)
29. I just left a voice mail
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jun 2017

for the Elections Services department at the Secretary of State's office in Helena, MT. I am following up with an email now. I don't want my information given to anybody. Kris Kobach is as dirty as they get. Get ready folks, this fight could be bad. They're stealing any election integrity that we have left right now.

MontanaMama

(23,296 posts)
41. :UPDATE:
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jun 2017

* I got a return phone call from the Elections Services office. They tell me that they in fact do have a request from the DOJ asking for voter ID rolls IF state law permits turning them over. I am told that this policy may vary state to state. Apparently you can purchase the voter list in Montana for $1000. The clerk that I spoke to stated that whoever they are turning the info over to would not have access to "live data". Only the county elections secretaries have that access and can only add or delete data after a multi level log in process. That said, I don't trust that whatever election integrity we have remaining isn't being stolen at this very minute.

Keep your eyes on this people. Less attention to Dump's stupid tweets.

Delmette2.0

(4,157 posts)
43. Thanks for the update
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:41 PM
Jun 2017

But, seriously, the entire state voter list for $1,000?
That is not even a penny per person on the list.

MontanaMama

(23,296 posts)
50. I said exactly the same
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jun 2017

Thing to the clerk who called me. He told he the price used to be $60. Wth? Seriously? I don't trust any of this. Montana is so damned red...I am holding out some hope that our Dem governor will stand up to this.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
60. No need for hacking computers...
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:18 PM
Jun 2017

... in a country where everything is for sale legally anyway. Capitalism is great!

MontanaMama

(23,296 posts)
70. Good. Thank you.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jun 2017

It is on my to-do list for first thing tomorrow as well. And, making another donation to the ACLU.

MontanaMama

(23,296 posts)
85. This is SUCH great news.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 01:02 AM
Jul 2017

FYI...the SOS elections officer never called me back today. This report makes me feel less like kicking his ass. Yay Montana!

politicat

(9,808 posts)
31. The voter roll data is already public. This is Kobach being a lazy git.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jun 2017

The SSN last 4 is not public in most states.

The thing is, the Feds already have access to this. Facebook has access. I have access if I really want it. It can be downloaded from the Secretary of State's website.

There's a pretty good writeup in the Colorado Independent today, from the (Republican, but more paleo than Teabag) Secretary of State. (Kobach doesn't have many fans here, even among rabid Rs.)

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/166135/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-trumo-colorado-wayne-williams

Mr.Bill

(24,242 posts)
34. That is correct.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:27 PM
Jun 2017

California's SoS has already announced he will not cooperate, but the information being requested is available to the public.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
36. Dear partisan voter suppression chair...
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

No

Yours truly,
Every sane Secretary of State


----
Most of this is publicly available so they can get it themselves. I'm against wasting NYe time and money on this BS that's being run by a nasty man, Kobach, who refers to himself as the "ACLUs worst nightmare" (see link below). To be clearer and more accurate he's our Constitution's worst nightmare.

If it's not publicly he can pound salt with open sounds because if it's not publicly available it's a violation of voters right to privacy and unacceptable.

All this so some buttholes like Kobach can suppress even MORE votes... umm.. f' you, NO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/magazine/the-man-behind-trumps-voter-fraud-obsession.html

bora13

(860 posts)
37. no IBM this time
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

they can write their own DB of those who they oppose.
I wonder if any other creepy group has ever wanted mass
records of those they hate?

Kaleva

(36,258 posts)
39. You're giving Trump waaaay too much credit.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:33 PM
Jun 2017

By all credible reports, the Trump White House is a giant cluster fuck.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
42. I agree with LivingBlue:
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jun 2017


"Always remember that when given overwhelming evidence of Russian tampering and zero evidence of voter fraud, Trump chose to investigate us."

procon

(15,805 posts)
44. The states will jealously guard their election data as a sovereign right
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:41 PM
Jun 2017

under the Constitution. They have always fought against any efforts by the feds to interfere or meddle with their rights to set their own electoral policies and procedures. They will not likely make such a major and far reaching concession to a president like Trump who has dismally low ratings and a diminishing clout to pull off anything as controversial as this.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,601 posts)
45. The Minnesota Secretary of State is skeptical.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:45 PM
Jun 2017

"He said he views the commission with “great suspicion” and believes it has a predetermined outcome." http://blogs.mprnews.org/capitol-view/2017/06/simon-skeptical-of-white-house-request-for-voter-data/ He says he hasn't made a final decision. Maybe he needs me and other Minnesota DUers to help him...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,601 posts)
53. I just fired off an email.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

The Secretary of State's name is Steve Simon, email secretary.state@state.mn.us

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
48. There are plenty of states with tapes from the voting machine (Arkansas can't be the only one)
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jun 2017

Take those and run a total and check the total against what was certified. If it is more the the margin of error, someone better be screaming. The error will not be at the voting machine but at the central tabulators.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
59. Muther Ru$$ia must have asked for the Con to bring them to the meeting next week. They need to
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jun 2017

start tweaking the data for the midterm elections.

Response to jpljr77 (Original post)

-Steph-

(409 posts)
71. Without voter suppression, gerrymandering, and all of these other dirty tactics they use, I honestly
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:40 PM
Jun 2017

don't think the Republicans could win general elections anymore. What they represent is just too outdated and grotesque. It's why they fight so hard to do what they can to rig elections, it's literally the only shot they even have anymore.

Unfortunately, the average person either doesn't care enough, or isn't aware enough to care, about what's happening to the integrity of our elections.

If they can get away with installing Donald Trump, of all people, into the White House.... against someone as formidable as HRC, then they'll have zero problems installing just about anyone else once they don't have to worry about the orange buffoon anymore.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,046 posts)
75. If this "Distraction" thing is really a strategy
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:32 PM
Jun 2017

It's sort of like a child breaking everything in the house to distract from a bad report card.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
77. This is Cross-Check implementation on a nation-wide basis...
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:52 PM
Jun 2017

The Trump Admin is not going to count of the Russians to flip votes for republican candidates in the 2018 Elections... The republicans are trying to make sure that they can prevent as many Dem-leaning voters as possible are denied their right to vote through Cross-Check!

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