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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 01:44 PM Jun 2017

Most of America's Super Rich Think THEY Make America Great

In their universe it's the size of a nations castles, not the size of it's slums that matters. It's the prestige of the ruling elite, not the character and industriousness of the people, by which they measure greatness. It has always been that way. Nothing has changed about the super wealthy - from the close of Europe's dark ages to the dawn of America's current one. They used to call themselves Nobility. Now they call themselves “Job Creators”, even if every dime that got them where they are today was originally inherited. Their ideology, once derived from “Divine Rule”, is now simply “Just Rewards” - a circular logic that says massive wealth is de facto evidence of superior personal attributes, which hence make the possessor worthy of his or her massive wealth.

Their attitude fundamentally still remains “Let them eat cake” toward everyone else. Only the window dressing has changed, the theatrics needed to harvest sufficient votes to keep their status secure. War is Peace, Hate is Love, all hail the Job Creators. Yes there are exceptions to the rule; fabulously wealthy decent and generous individuals who do not fit that template. In fact they too serve the rule, by muddying the picture to present a fig leaf of plausible deniability. Like the blanks that fill the chamber of one rifle in the firing squad – you can't say they all are killers, but the execution is assured.

And the most soft hearted of the lot, well they can busy themselves as patrons of the arts, reaping great honor as museum and galleries are named after them, as if only through their magnanimous gifts can a people truly have culture. The poor will always be with us they all say, while they shave benefits from America's bare bones medicaid safety net to cut billions from their taxes. They must have the example of our great wealth, they argue, to be inspired to want more from life.

And all of their self serving policies rest on sound economic principles, carefully designed by reverse engineering to prove the facts that they need established. Produced on demand by hired hands, men and women just like those employed by the tobacco industry in the sixties to de-link smoking from cancer. Kings never had trouble finding tax collectors to shake down peasants either. There is always money to be made by collaborating with the ruling class. Nothing has changed in the ruling class world view, it never does, it is only a matter of what we allow them to get away with.

Remember slavery? Remember seven day work weeks? Remember child labor? Remember company stores? Remember mass foreclosures? Remember migrant worker camps? Remember overseas sweat shops churning out products bearing the coolest logos? Remember pharmaceutical companies hiking price tags on life saving drugs by a thousand percent or more?

It is all the same mind set, take what you can get from the many because you deserve to have more. After all America can't afford “entitlements” for the poor and middle classes that ensure their basic survival. The only responsible choice is to “deincentivize” poverty by shrinking the safety net that lulls the masses into a false illusion of security. If we try to reduce poverty, or even attempt to make it survivable, there won't be the money needed to fuel the growth of personal fiefdoms, and empires owned by the elite. They are the people striving to make America great again, like it was in the days of the robber barons.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
3. America has becom a parking place for them, that's all
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:08 PM
Jun 2017

When it has ceased to serve their purpose they will move on.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
9. Very thoughtful comment...they fight investing in US thru taxes....
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:50 AM
Jul 2017

but spend millions trying to buy government.

Also, a note....these millionaires that are contributing to Dump and GOPer to cut taxes...have they lost money in the last 8 years with Obama? Or are their millions still in the bank and growing?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
2. So I know this is a rant that drops out a host of sublties...
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:06 PM
Jun 2017

...about why people make the choices that they do. I know that villains are three dimensional, that they love their kid and pets. Very few are true sociopaths (but more than we ca afford to ignore). None the less many are willfully blind to the toll they place on others while a select few revel in it AND THAT HAS BEEN TRUE FOR MILLENNIA. America is not so advanced, not so special, that America's elites don't hesitate to continually skim a little more off the top for themselves at the expense of the bottom of the economic pyramid that they sit astride.

THAT IS HAPPENING THIS WEEKEND with Trumpcare. They will literally kill tens of thousands over a decade by tweeking the safety net for the rest of us so that they can grab a few more bucks out of it for themselves They think we can all cut one more hole in our belts to tighten them just one notch further, just one, so they can let theirs out another foot. And they know hard working people will die because of it

So how are they really that different from Marie Antoinette? I am really pissed this week. We all damn well should be. I actually thought that maybe our country was a little better than this - that even our oligarchs wouldn't fight this hard to steal more crumbs from our tables that consign people to death, not this blatantly, not on this scale. A Trillion dollars cut from Medicaid - from the most vulnerable among us, for more tax cuts for the rich. All in the so called name of "fiscal responsibility" and "greater freedom".

We see this type in every century. We cant pretend that it is anything different now just because most of us can have smart phones. A lot of good they will do us when the wrong diagnosis comes in and there is nowhere to turn to to pay for potentially life saving treatmentd.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
10. Rubs only want fiscal responsibility when they are voting for safety net social programs.....
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:54 AM
Jul 2017

Otherwise, they spend like hell!!!!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
4. One kick for the evening crowd...
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:16 PM
Jun 2017

It's always a little odd when there are quite a few Recs but very few reads or comments. And now I leave it free to sink without further interference.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
5. Let me tell you about the wealth of the rich:
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 09:00 PM
Jun 2017

Most of it is idle. It does nothing but collect interest.

I liken them to Smaug sitting on his pile of gold under the mountains of Mordor.

Helpful to no one.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
6. "Smaug sitting on his pile of gold..."
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jun 2017

I like the analogy. Do you remember "Olestra"? It was an artificial substitute for fat that the body would supposedly not absorb, so you could eat endless amounts of it for the flavor but not gain any calories from it. Like that too, the rich can consume endless amounts of wealth without getting anything of substance from it - just a gluttony high and the "pride" that no one else can have it.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
7. There was a study done a few years ago which highlighted the effect of wealth on the psyche:
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 08:51 AM
Jul 2017
Exploring the Psychology of Wealth, ‘Pernicious’ Effects of Economic Inequality

Researchers used the game monopoly to demonstrate the effect: "rich" players were randomly chosen from a coin toss and they benefited alone from the "rigged" rules the researchers applied to the game. After a while, these "rich" players sincerely believed they succeeded by merit alone and deserved to win.

I think when we talk about Republicans we have to keep this mind : the corrosive effects of obscene wealth on politics and morality itself. And we don't see the problem clearly when we focus on character or religion alone - There were a couple threads this week about the morality of Republicans and religious faith but believing in Jesus has very little do with it , in any case it's easy to twist religious narratives to suit moral and immoral positions.

Extreme Wealth can make you feel like a God. Some very wealthy people feel inherently superior, even genetically superior, to the poor. They cannot understand why anyone would be poor - in their eyes, it must be a genetic deficiency or a character flaw and their self delusional belief in their superiority is justification enough for them to control politics and try to shape cultural narratives. They're no different from Monarchs who achieved their status through bloodline - in their case they see their gains as the inevitable and inalienable result of their own talents. ....
..........And the GOP has become the conduit for every idea the super wealthy could dream of to further entrench their prestige and status. Owning media houses, saturating airwaves with their terrible arguments, using their wealth to target and primary any republican who may lean liberal on issues and demonizing their opponents. So this is how a GOP politician can vote and support measures that will result in millions losing their healthcare.

Utilizing the re-distributive tools of federal government to create a fair and more just society, an idea Democrats have philosophically aligned themselves with, is obviously a threat to the status of the super wealthy so they sell it as the Government "picking winners and losers".

I don't believe in class war but we do need a paradigm shift in thinking. We're up against the normalization of a modern version of feudalism. Pointing and jeering at the wealthy won't solve it, there has to be a shift in thinking about the world and an understanding that stupid greed harms everyone.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. I love your post - start to finish
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:44 AM
Jul 2017

It is exactly what I was thinking about except I wrote mine as a rant and you included actual content. As you say, Republicans oppose "utilizing the re-distributive tools of federal government to create a fair and more just society". But like those Monopoly players you start out talking about they forget that government also was used to establish the current status quo which rigged the game for certain players - starting with slavery and only propertied males being able to vote. Hell, lobbyists still write the regulations today.

Your last paragraph captures my sentiments exactly.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
12. agreed....particularly your comment about the government's role.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:33 AM
Jul 2017

the government has been complicit. We do have issues surrounding "regulatory capture" but even when Libertarians talk about this they carefully avoid discussing the predatory behavior of anarcho capitalists who engage in the stupid greed we're talking about and use their wealth and influence to pressure governments.

There's nothing new about this by the way, which is why I'm always cognizant of the realities of politics. It's important for citizens to understand this power dynamic instead of falling into a pit of impotent outrage.

At the core of it is the human flaw of stupid greed, so we have to expect push back whenever we make changes for the better because the rear guard that wants to keep elements of feudalism alive are always ready and prepared to obstruct progress.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
14. Greed has been rewarded with Celebrity in our culture
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:51 AM
Jul 2017

Those who embrace it are treated as role models rather than ostracized with scorn. Fundamental change can only go far so long as that remains the case.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
11. Agreed!
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:02 AM
Jul 2017

I like these comments:

Extreme Wealth can make you feel like a God. Some very wealthy people feel inherently superior, even genetically superior, to the poor. They cannot understand why anyone would be poor - in their eyes, it must be a genetic deficiency or a character flaw and their self delusional belief in their superiority is justification enough for them to control politics and try to shape cultural narratives. They're no different from Monarchs who achieved their status through bloodline - in their case they see their gains as the inevitable and inalienable result of their own talents. ....
..........And the GOP has become the conduit for every idea the super wealthy could dream of to further entrench their prestige and status. Owning media houses, saturating airwaves with their terrible arguments, using their wealth to target and primary any republican who may lean liberal on issues and demonizing their opponents. So this is how a GOP politician can vote and support measures that will result in millions losing their healthcare.

For too long, the US has shifted back to this feudal system and the top capitalists believing in entitlements. Their excuses are to utilize increased capitol to invest in new jobs, however, when trickle down economics was tried in the 80s....these capitalists took the capital out of the US...sending factories to China, Mexico, Korea and other countries. If they had been required to only invest in the US, this trickle down economics might actually have worked.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
13. I wouldn't even blame outsourcing so much as what was done with the profits.....
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:41 AM
Jul 2017

from capitalist endeavors: that to me is the greater sin.

In every market you will have winners and losers, the key is how the "losers" are treated. Anarcho capitalists will argue that people just need to "adapt" to the market which just shows their lack of understanding and proof of the way extreme wealth corrodes the ability to empathize with people who are in tough circumstances beyond their control.

And they're now flipping the script again with Trump - anti globalist rhetoric which only serves domestic capitalists while never addressing the critical point - where do their profits go and why aren't those profits reinvested in communities which bore the brunt of changes in the market.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
16. Yes, unfortunately, the free markets did not work in the 80s and 2007 because of greed!
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jul 2017

And what is sad...my parents were promised more job creations and improvements in our communities if the taxes were decreased. Never happened, money moved around with no benefit to the workers in US. If anything, more factories and industries left the US. And when I hear of the rust-belt losing their jobs now...and why they voted for Dump....I see those same promises that Reagan promised and giving hope to the industrial workers today and think....what a con job...and they are falling for it again.

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