Mexico is having the largest protest the world has ever seen; Media blacked it out!

[Fire Walk With Me]

Last edited Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:27 PM - Edit history (5)

Edited out the all caps title from the source.

July 9:

Edit: Original video is hosted on three youtube channels but all are RW. It was alerted so I removed it. Sorry about that. I didn't check.

Alternate video provided by a kind DUer, via Aljazeera but I know at least one person will be upset with that; RT have a 12-minute report but I know from experience that more than one DUer have trouble with them, so here is a man's personal video of a smaller protest. I speak no spanish so his channel might be entirely dedicated to offensive things :

[Motown_Johnny]

1. So, is this the largest protest the world has Never seen?

sorry


umm...


K&R

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. I'm sure they'll appreciate your support!

[Lionessa]

5. That's pretty darn big though, even if not ...

[FreakinDJ]

38. Thats Pretty Damm BIG for Mexico

considering past protest have been met with machine gun fire to disperse the crowd

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. No it's not

Concentraciones that size are like standard in the plaza mayor, at least once a year. Demonstrationes are part of the traffic report.

[malaise]

3. WOW

That's huge indeed

[Lionessa]

4. Even MSNBC? Wow. I'll have to see if the livestream for Rachel works tonight, if

anyone does it, I think she will.

[Raine]

26. Rachel is busy interviewing Carvel. :-( nt

[Lionessa]

28. I don't generally prefer Carville, and I only caught the tail end, but

he's right from what I heard, if and ONLY IF, it's policy, not just talking points. No matter how much one talks about the middle class, if in the end the banksters and ... and... and... and the middle class continue to feel that odd and horrible sensation of falling off a cliff like a bad dream, then he's full of it. I tired of what politicians should be "talking" about. It's so exhausting when compared to what they do.

[BOG PERSON]

6. so... what are they protesting?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. I believe they're accusing the announced winner of the national election of vote buying

and they're also protesting the Mexican media's complicity through their silence.

[Warpy]

14. What little I can understand

is that they're shouting about the guilt of the PRI.

This is huge, even by Mexico City standards.

The last election saw huge protests in Chiapas and other outlying areas. To have one this size in Mexico City is fantastic.

Oddly, the only US news outlet that has acknowledged this story is Pox News. Otherwise, it's Al Jazeera and The Guardian leading the media coverage.

Mexican news is silent. What a surprise.

ETA: The Guardian gave an estimate of 50,000. I've been in a crowd of 100,000 and I think this might be a bit bigger.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Oh Mexican media is NOT silent on this

I just read it in La Jornada.

And I just read the charges and counter charges again in La Jornada. The Impugnacion de las elecciones, is the headline, not just from the PRD, but the PAN.

[MADem]

13. Election fraud. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Here is the summary from Mexican Press

During the election, and before the election of July 2, the PRI engaged in vote buying in what is called COLONIAL POPULARES, amomg them Juan Escutia and Nezahualtcoyotl, the geography matters little. These are low income areas.

For your vote, they gave voters cards with money, called in Mexico Monedero Electronico, from the chain store Soriana, where after proving they voted "the right way" they could redeem anywhere form 200-700 credit value and get stuff at the store. Most people got rice, beans and oil, as well as some small electronic goods.

The other was for Telephones, cards with 200 minutes that mostly young people (the target for this one) could use for this. In mexico most cell service is by the minute, and you pre buy your minutes.

The PRD is accusing the PRI of having bought just about five million votes that way.

Now, it's not even close to the point where the elections will be cancelled, and if they were... oh the mess. But it is enough to put a MAJOR stain on this future President. Given the differentials between Pena Nieto (THE PRI guy) and AMLO (The PRD and left guy), not enough.

Now if they find this was systemic across the country and dig oh, another 20 million votes, then you're talking and a major crisis, of incredibly high stakes.

The students, from both private and public universities, do not want want the PRI in charge again. They don't want the PAN either... but that is what they are protesting...

Now some here will claim electronic rigging. but nope, the PRI went back to it's roots. It used to be a Torta and a coca cola.

[Tsiyu]

22. Thanks. Nice summary n/t

[Raine]

25. THANKS! nt

[freshwest]

30. Dah-yam! That is some blatant fraud there. Thanks Nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. What has people's head on fire

Is that this is business as usual. The Feds have opened an investigación prevía into this, and the lawyers for Soriana has a longish uncomfortable meeting with PGR agents, this is what unusual...they are actually investigating this shit.

A torta and a coke were..well eaten. The PRD got the goods, as in cards.

[sabrina 1]

53. Thanks Nadin ...

[rhett o rick]

62. Yes, thanks Nadin. nm

[Plucketeer]

37. IIf that had happened here

and it was a GOP ruse - you can BET that Issa wouldn't be able to find any evidence!

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. But, but things like that used to happen in the US

Historically they did, this is what party machines used to do. The item of bribe used to be well...jobs.

It took a while, like a few generations, for that to go away.

I can almost bet in very small communities things like this could still go on.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. I got a six pack of Old Style for my Rahm Emanuel vote in the 33rd ward

Just kidding.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. You are kidding,

But with some of the goings on in some of my local small towns, I would all be but shocked.

You start digging into dirt on some of our local wards and boards and well, you gotta wonder

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

7. I wish we'd seen these mass demonstations after Bush v. Gore

Maybe it wouldn't have changed anything, but by God, the elite need to have the fear of the people's anger in the back of their mind at all times.

[freshwest]

32. You must have missed the coronation. Tomatoes, signs, booing, enough to force the motorcade to stop.

And poor little Shrub wore a bullet proof vest and looked like he going to piss himself.

Major media lapdogs were enraged at the vulgar disrespect of the protesters lining the streets while snipers were on the roofs.

The GOP did their banana republican routine complete with planes flying overhead just like any tin pot dictator..

Yeah, it was that bad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. To the credit of the SS...the bullet proof vest

Has been standard since Carter.



So vest was not off procedure.

[freshwest]

44. Thanks! But remember the look on his face? It was mentioned. Too bad Gore didn't stand with the CBC.

The response of the crowd was historic and compared to an election in the previous century. Forgot which one.

Millions of Americans mooned their television sets when the Shrub came on television for months. I simply ended up screaming at Darth.

Then 911 came and all was forgiven... There's a lesson to be learned there, but it's simply history as well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. You know, he was

Highly unpopular until 911. No 911... 2004 would have been over.

911 broke the country psychologically, and it didn't in some strange ways. It was sum of all fears momemt.

Historians will see it, in some ways, as a critical momemt. Read Hedges, "War, a force that gives us meaning." It went to print weeks before. It is a critical read and was "prescient" in some ways.

[freshwest]

52. I'm familiar with it, not sure if I read it or watched it, but here's the video for the folks here..

Chris Hedges - War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning

This is is a local presentation, if you or anyone have time they might want to check out the channel, it has been a source of new ideas and news ignore by MSM for years.

I d read somewhere, not sure if it was from Hedges, that one purpose of war is to make money or grab resources.
But the primary purpose is to transform the society that is waging the war. It mobilizes, turns the focus of the people away from everything that proceeded it.

Are they waged with that as a result or as purpose?

The authors of PNAC said that Americans needed a defining moment like Pearl Harbor to unify the people as WW2. It certainly unified most of those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are not all dissidents. For many this is a way of life that unifies their families and lifetimes. They do not care about our arguments.

And I know how unpopular Bush was until 911. MSM were full of stories on the corruption of his friends and the dirty dealing done out of the White House, and it seemed that he would be completely ineffective if not run out of office.

911 saved him and the GOP agenda, and they used the event in the most nihilistic ways possible to get profits funneled to their friends, destroy their enemies (which are not in the Middle East, but in the USA) and destroy the American economy. They wee stupid, they made no mistakes, they were not incompetent. That dog won't hunt when you track down the money.

I'm sure you've read Swanson's book, as well, I finally got a few copies and saved them with others. There is a lot that needs to be examined that is not pleasant but must be decided upon. I'm not even sure how much power any of us have. Hedges also gaven an excellent talk on Hope that was posted in MMV.

He is not giving up and neither should we. Or in the future, our grand children will look to us, unless they have been brain washed against us, and ask us why did we let this happen not only to the USA, but the world.

[Occulus]

69. "That transformation cannot take place, absent a catalyzing and catastrophic event...

...like a new Pearl Harbor."

-Rebuilding America's Defenses

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. page 44 iirc

to be exact

[sabrina 1]

54. I remember that. That whole military display, and the protesters plastering his

limo with trash. It was a thing of beauty. But it needed to continue throughout his two illegitimate terms.

We've learned that now. One day of demonstrations is never enough. The people have to be willing to go there and not leave until they either get some attention or they are brutally driven away.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. You mean like #132 is getting a third national tv chain

They just need frequency spectrum, and well the actual gear. But serious, they met with the equivalent of the FCC. All that remains is ironing the details.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. You didn't get Moore's Fahrenheit 911?

I thought everybody had a copy.

[freshwest]

45. Yep, I saw it live. The horror continued, though..

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. What's pathetic is when you hear some asshole pundit

try to say it's okay to question Obama's legitimacy because "the left" questioned Bush's.

To me, all that does is prove that they aren't interested in actually running this country or coming up with solutions to problems. They don't take any of this seriously. It's all just one big game to them of scoring points and to HELL with everybody's needs. Even the financial collapse or even a war is just a part of the game and none of the death and destruction has any effect on them. They can hear of families being tossed out of their homes in Indiana or being blown up into red mist in Iraq and all they do is try to figure out how it can be used as a game piece for themselves.

[sabrina 1]

55. Michael Moore, the recorder of history. That documentary was a classic.

Thanks for posting this. That could not happen now, it was before 9/11 when 'everything changed'.

I also remember from that documentary, the scene in the Senate which we had never seen before, when all they needed was one Senator to stand up and object and no one did. That was a stunning revelation at the time. And made it possible to make sure that at least history would record that when he stole the next election, there was an objection from one lone, courageous Senator.

Thank you Michael Moore. That documentary should be required viewing at least once a year for all citizens. He did the job the media refused to do. And it took a lot of courage for him to do so at that period of time.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

56. If you will recall, that scene repeated in 2004

I'm proud to say my senator, Barbara Boxer stood up for America.

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/1/7/history_in_the_making_dems_force

[sabrina 1]

63. I remember that too and was very proud of Barbara Boxer for having the courage to

stand up, but sad she was the only one. However, that will be recorded by history demonstrating that Bush's legitimacy was challenged. And MM deserves credit for bringing the whole sorry mess to public attention.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

64. Not to mention "Democracy Now!" for archiving the clip.

[spanone]

8. we really have no media. fox has made a mockery of 'news'.

now every network wants to be fox.

it's news for profit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. First not the largest protest...been in that plaza

It fills like that like regularly and shit for different reasons.

What is unique is that this is the revival of the Student movement, protesting Peña Nieto's election. These are private and public university students. As long as they are heard and does not end like '68.

I am almost positive the kid posting the video though, being in the middle of it, is middle class and has never been in any concentración before.

But these happen at least once a year, to this size. Hell, protests are part of the traffic report.

For reference, the Plaza Mayor can hold 10K people, and the American press does not report on events here, let alone in Mexico, but will go read my Mexico City papers. Yes, the student movement is getting more organized.

[MADem]

11. Well....Latin Faux Snooze is covering it, and complaining that others aren't, as well...

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2012/07/10/mexicans-loudly-protest-election-results-mass-media-quiet/

[Junkdrawer]

12. The corporate media will cover it - after the talking points faxes are in the right hands.

DemocracyNow will be all over it tomorrow 8 AM.

[flamingdem]

15. Lots floating around the web about this president elect

Wonkette dishes dirt - I haven't read it yet but did see other smarmy things elsewhere on the web

http://wonkette.com/477486/gay-murderer-the-telenovela-life-of-mexican-president-elect-enrique-pena-nieto

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. She made her way to the "Mexican enquirer"

Some of the rumors are down right disturbing.

[flamingdem]

17. What's the name or link for the Mexican enquirer?

Puedo leer espanol and I'm getting caught up in this story

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. My mom told me about it

Short version, when governor a kid died at home. Seems he was involved. It was the hot rumor two years ago.

Good coverage for the vote burying though, La Jornada.

It's getting hot, still not enough to cancel the election.

[dimbear]

21. Possibly Fox started liking the story because of the Opus Dei connection, which

at first pleased the right wing very much. Now with all the mierda coming out, not so much.

[grasswire]

23. what is the Opus Dei connection to this? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. He's a graduate of the Universidad Panamwricana

Which is at the very least supported by the Opus Dei, if not outright run by it.

It's a private university.

[Tsiyu]

24. They also want to build cred for their Mundo endeavor n/t

[Bjorn Against]

29. That is a huge crowd

It is not even close to the largest protest the world has ever seen (I believe that title goes to Rome which got 3 million people out to protest the Iraq war in 2003), but even if it is not the biggest it is still a massive crowd that deserves international media coverage.

[randome]

33. The more hyperbole, the less people are likely to give credence to what you say.

Couldn't you have just said a major protest was happening in Mexico City?

[TomClash]

34. In about 4 months

It will be our turn.

[Honeycombe8]

35. Ironic. If the millions of people who fled Mexico for the U.S. had been there to vote....

it probably would've changed the election results.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Who told you they did not vote?

Mexicans living abrad could, and we're encouraged, to vote.

[a la izquierda]

57. You have zero idea what the hell you're talking about.

Try again.
Mexican citizens can vote wherever they live.

Nice try being cute on immigration, though.

[Honeycombe8]

67. They can. But did they? If they had, this guy wouldn't have one, right? There are 12 million people

here in the U.S. who are Mexican citizens. Maybe half, 6 million, are adults of voting age? Maybe half of those maintain the records necessary to still vote in Mexico? That's 3 million. This new guy won by not much, right?

It's just math.

[a la izquierda]

71. Voting in Mexico...

like voting in the United States, does not come down to who will fill peoples' pockets and make their lives more comfortable.
The several Mexican expats that I do know voted about 50-50 for Peña Nieto or AMLO. But the desperately poor people who used to live across the street from me? They were PANistas. Just like desperately poor people in the US, they voted against their own interests.

AMLO is not as popular among some of the educated folks, who many Americans would think are leftists (one of my good friends, a university professor, is case in point). He is a pragmatist and feels as though the PRI kept a lid on problems for 70 years, they know what they´re doing.

Sorry if I was a little harsh. Though I´m not Mexican, the study and knowledge of it are my career and American ignorance of Mexico is often staggering.

[citizen blues]

39. If you want info on it go to ....

international news sources. Both the UK Guardian and Al Jazeera have stories about it.

U.S. media sucks!

[Fire Walk With Me]

47. I'll bet RT (Russia) and Press (Iran) will as well. Amurika! Wur Nummer wun!

[handmade34]

40. ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18758321

[Fire Walk With Me]

48. Thanks!

[HiPointDem]

51. I don't think it's the largest -- it's filling the zocalo, that's not so unusual -- mexico city 2001

commandante marcos showed up filled the zocalo as well.

[a la izquierda]

58. Beat me to it...

I've seen the zócalo filled on a normal workday, which is a little unnerving when you step off a plane from Oklahoma City into a teeming mass of thousands of people going about their daily business.

[RZM]

65. Apparently there were about 50K people at the Zocalo, according to the person who uploaded the video

That's a pretty large gathering, but not even remotely close to the largest protest in history.

I can name one many times larger just off of the top of my head. In October 1989, over 300,000 people gathered to protest in the East German city of Leipzig. The difference is even more striking when you consider that East Germany's population at the time was about 1/6 the size of Mexico's. The greater Mexico City area alone has more people than all of East Germany did in 1989.

My intention isn't to trivialize the protests. I'm merely pointing out that the assertion that these are the largest in history seems pretty dubious.

[RZM]

66. The youtube channel that comes from is titled 'The Zionist Plan for the World'

Here are a few of the video titles from just the first page (caps are in originals):

'ANIMATION SHOWING MIND CONTROL GOVERNMENT LIES AND DECEPTION not for small children'

'MONSANTO POSSIBLE ZOMBIE CONNECTION WITH ERGOT GMO PRODUCTION '

'HAARP CREATES EARTHQUAKES PROOF THAT ELF WAVS CAUSE GREAT DESTRUCTION '

'VACCINES CAUSES SIDS, AUTISM AND DEATH MUST WATCH NOW DONT TAKE VACCINES '

'CHEMTRAIL FIBERS TRILLIONS IN THE AIR WE BREATH LOOK NOW FILMED IN THE U.S.'

'THE TRUTH ABOUT PALESTINE AND THE ENEMY OF THE WORLD ZIONIST ISREAL.'

And my personal favorite (for some reason it's not in all caps):

'Madonna Illuminati involvement Exposed' (seriosly, who knew?)


Looks like this video was uploaded by an an anti-Semitic idiot whose mission is to spread bizarre conspiracy theories.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Credit where credit is due

I had not thought of ergot as a possible cause for our zombie incidents in Florida. My mind went straight to a few drugs, some over the counter.

Hmm... paging the health department.

That is actually possible...



Clocks, and stuck and all that.

[lovuian]

68. They are fed up

at the Corruption

[Zorra]

73. Here's a video from AlJazeeraEnglish

[Go Vols]

74. ty