OK - DEM bashing time

[rufus dog]

Why is every Dem not on cable screaming about Kushner still having security clearance AND Ivanka being in the WH?

Cruz goes off on an ignorant rant and the media is asking questions related to the ignorant rant, Dems need to learn and go off on rants based upon substance and demand immediate Rebublican actions, thus putting them on the defensive.

[SHRED]

1. Exactly

[Cosmocat]

2. THIS

is the democratic party's primary sin ...

[brooklynite]

3. So, distract everyone from the Don Jr. self-immolation?

[rufus dog]

5. You know you are correct

Let's just sit back and let them make fools out of themselves. The American public will make the correct choice.

Remind me again, who is the fucking President!

[BeyondGeography]

4. Who are our leaders again?

[Thirties Child]

6. So obvious during Bush-Cheney time.

What the Republicans did was horrible, but I felt the Democrats were almost as bad, the way most of them went along with it. Where was the opposition then? Where is it now?

I had told my granddaughters Democrats cared about people, Republicans about business. When we went into Iraq--and took the press with us--I realized there isn't that much difference between the two parties.

I was 10 when FDR died, still remember him. I don't have that many presidential elections left, would so like to see an FDR Democrat in the White House before I die.

[ismnotwasm]

11. Bless your heart

You realize you are posting on a site for Democrats?

[Thirties Child]

32. Uh, yes.

You were happy when Democrats supported Bush & Cheney?

[pirateshipdude]

7. Is the news having a conversation about Pelosi's statement she put out?

[link:|

I would think that the news would be having conversation about this, just everywhere. Oh wait, not. Democrats. Democrats do not get to play on an even playing field with the Republicans.

Are you saying NO Democrat has had any conversation about any of these people? None? I do not watch MSM, so I will take your word.

[pirateshipdude]

8. Smoking gun Russia Scandal email revealed: Senator using the word Treason

Another I found. Two leaders of the Democratic Party. As I said, I do not watch TV news, so I have to take your word the Democarts are crickets...

https://egbertowillies.com/2017/07/11/senator-russia-scandal-treason-trump/

[Me.]

9. Just Saw Kaine Talking Treason On MSNBC

Yay Nancy

[riversedge]

28. Kaine: ...and even into potentially treason."

I am glad he spoke up--but also glad he use Potentially.........in his comments. Nancy is right. We need all the evidence.




https://egbertowillies.com/2017/07/11/senator-russia-scandal-treason-trump/

.....In the wake of New York Times reports on Trump Jr. and other Trump campaign officials meeting with a Russian attorney who they believed had damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Kaine said the probe into obstruction of justice could evolve into something more serious.

"Nothing is proven yet, but we're now beyond obstruction of justice in terms of what's being investigated," Kaine said. "This is moving into perjury, false statements, and even into potentially treason."

Kaine was Clinton's running mate in the 2016 presidential election.

Kaine added, "To meet with an adversary to try to get information to hijack democracy. The investigation is now more than just obstruction of justice in investigation. It's more than just a perjury investigation. It's a treason investigation."

[BainsBane]

12. If it's not on cable TV, it doesn't exist

like when people say, "what happened to the collusion investigation" simply because they haven't seen anything on their TVs about it in three days.

[pirateshipdude]

13. Ah the short and lazy attention spans. As I said, I have no MSM. I hunt the info.

Then, read.

[BainsBane]

16. We can't have people being informed

that's just un-American.

Seriously though, the outrage du (every) jour on DU is based on cable news coverage.

[rufus dog]

14. NO!

And that is part of the problem. Repukes fucking whine about the liberal media, this is another area to go on offense. Every dem should be pounding the hell out of team tRump AND slamming the shit out of the media.

First fucking push back from the media is already written - "YOU SPENT MONTHS ON CLINTON'S EMAILS, YOU PLAYED TRUMP RALLY'S UNINTERRUPTED. SEC. CLINTON STATED HE WAS IN BED WITH THE RUSSIANS, YET YOU DID NOTHING OTHER THAN REPEAT THE TALKING POINTS OF PROVEN LIARS!"

They all need to bash the shit out of the administration and if the media gives them an opening, bash the media.

[pirateshipdude]

22. Because we know after a decade and a half, what a level playing field we have.

Democrats are addressing this as they should. The media will never be our friend. Again, I do not know what MSM is saying. I stopped watching more than a decade ago because they do not have the same rules for Republicans they do for Democrats, 3 Republicans to every 1 Democrat with Sanders mostly being the Dem voice and blatant misrepresentation of fact.

It is easy to tell the Democratic Party what they must do when we watch for more than a decade the media making sure they do everything to prevent.

But, again, all this just happened and I do not know what is on MSM, only other sources.

[pirateshipdude]

23. To be more clear. Pelosi, leader of House Dems put out a statement and it is ignored.

A strong statement. And media ignores it.

[rufus dog]

24. And every Dem should be bringing this up! n/t

[BeyondGeography]

29. Maybe because it's right up there with a sternly-worded letter in terms of impact

Carry on.

[Hekate]

25. Senator Diane Feinstein has as well. So that's two strong Dem women that perennially...

...get asked to retire by (ahem) some on DU, and/or it is suggested they be primaried out of office ditto.

Representative Adam Schiff has been all over these issues for months. In addition, Senator Tim Kaine used the T-word today.

Thanks, pirateshipdude. Anyone posting here that we have no Democratic leadership speaking out has not been paying attention.

[pirateshipdude]

33. Our women Democrats have been forefront, vocal, strong, articulate. So easy to dismiss and ignore.

Yes, Schiff, Franken. I bet we can list a whole lot more if we really needed to do the research to prove to fellow Dems our Dems are stand up. Amazing this.

Thank-you right back.

[Hekate]

43. Maxine Waters is out front!

Go Maxine!

[pirateshipdude]

44. Yes, she is! Eom

[BainsBane]

10. Politics 101

When your opponent is hanging himself, don't get in the way.

[Hekate]

27. Likewise, when they are digging themselves ever further into a hole, just hand them another shovel

Be helpful that way.

[ProudLib72]

15. Ask yourself who gets more attention

The obnoxious schoolyard bully or the dozens of kids he taunts.

Dems are reactionary, but we like to think through the problem first, instead of immediately spewing vitriol. Repukes are the opposite. Which is the better response? From a media coverage standpoint, the repukes are in the lead. However, most of the time they appear childish. The only thing they achieve is getting their base a little riled up, but anyone who uses logic and critical thinking skills can see that they are going off half-cocked.

So back to that schoolyard bully. All eyes are on him for the moment... till he goes to the principal's office and gets expelled.

[rufus dog]

17. I believe we really need to step back and understand the situation.

63 million Americans just voted for that obnoxious bully.

The majority of Republicans believe Obama is a Kenyan.

Almost 50% of Republicans believe California votes shouldn't count

Almost 50% of Republicans believe that Russia is an ally.

The principal ain't doing shit to the bully.

So you can sit back and "do the right thing" and by doing that, those who are reasoned and logical support you. The bully's friends taunt you and those in the middle don't see you as fighting for what is right so they continue to vacillate. Or you can try something different, like knocking the fucking shit out of the bully.

[ProudLib72]

21. Look, I'm just as pissed as you

I continually scream at the computer monitor (rarely the TV since I can't stand actually hearing their voices). So I have to sit back and try to relax before I analyze the strategy. I'm glad that I'm not in congress because I could never hold back. You're right that it doesn't seem like the principal is on vacation in the Bahamas. But at this point, it's the American public that is acting as arbiter in this fight. We are in it to win people over to our side in the long run, not to create further division. Again, you can certainly question this strategy. I question it as well. All I'm saying is that I see the reasoning behind it.

[Thrill]

18. They'll never be good at messaging and using the media

Like Republicans. I learned that a long time ago. If Susan Rice had done even one of things Flynn did, she would be in jail already. And the media would help them put her there

[grantcart]

19. Why should today be any different?

[SaschaHM]

20. Don Jr. just released smoking gun evidence implicating himself and the campaign.

This is not the time to be shouting about Jared and Ivanka. You don't change the subject when someone is immolating themselves. They should be and from the interviews I've seen are shouting about treason and collusion. Jared and Ivanka being in the white house are immaterial when there is an even bigger fish to catch.

[bresue]

26. Pence went into a Senator meeting for health care....uhhh?

Senators in for a pow wow with Pence....are we actually talking health care or the mental care of 45? And maybe why Dems have been quiet?

I mean Dems do not want to look like they are in for the kill?!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

30. I get so tired of "Why don't Dems do......?" posts/threads

1. If Democrats are not doing something, there may be a perfectly valid reason why they are not. Unlike us, they don't or can't (over-)react to every piece of news immediately- they are not omniscient beings and know what's happen every second of every day, let alone able to do something about "it" immediately. The wheels of justice turn slowly. In Congress, it's even slower, especially when the majority party goes "tribal" and refuses to be check and balance on other branches of our government.
2. Democrats may actually be doing *something* but since we're not seeing it live or it's "behind-the-scenes, we might not immediately know about it.
3. Democrats don't control Congress, so if the Republicans aren't doing anything about this, there's not too much that Democrats can do other than protest and try to call attention to things Trump/Republicans are doing. Many Democrats HAVE been outspoken about Donald Trump and the GOP's awful policy agenda.
4. If you feel that (fill in the blank) is worthy of the Democrats' time and attention, flood their offices and pressure them to do something about (fill in the blank).
5. If you feel that Democrats are not doing something that you think that they should be doing but not, support a primary candidate in the next election and/or run yourself against them.

[rufus dog]

31. I get so tired of people defending Dems 'keeping the powder dry'

leads to an ass kicking every time.

[Hekate]

34. You seem to think that a lot of things are the fault of the Democrats.So far you've been supplied...

...with quite a few examples of Dem office holders speaking out quite strongly. What else would you like them to do? What would count as "doing something" in your book? You want them screaming and frothing at the mouth? Is that how it works? You want members of various committees to call press conferences and disclose privileged information about the progress of their investigations before the time is right? What?

[leftstreet]

36. Well, they could maybe take a page from the GOP playbook

I agree with you by the way.

Although I understand the frustration because this does seem unprecedented. I wouldn't mind if the Democrats did what the GOPers are famous for - push 1 or 2 members into the spotlight and let them righteously rant and foam about treason, collusion, etc. That gives vent to voter frustration, and gives calmer, cooler Pelosi-heads a 'good cop' platform.

These are very strange times - even for our elected Reps

[Hekate]

35. Schiff is on this very minute. Are you watching? What is your critique of his presentation?

[pirateshipdude]

37. +1. Eom

[Hekate]

39. Now Angus King is up. Anything?

Should he be pounding a podium with his shoe?

[pirateshipdude]

40. Nah, just another thread attacking DWS and demanding where the Dems are, while

praising Sanders nothing statement. For real, I walk back in and see Sanders getting a pat on the back for reason, while more Democrats are attacked.

[Hekate]

41. I'm amazed!

Not. SMH

[pirateshipdude]

42. Well, I am. Eom

[pirateshipdude]

38. These are very serious allegations" but there should not be a rush to judgement

This is Sanders statement. Are you bothered about cutting the legs out from beneath our Democratic leadership standing up right here and now?

[Demsrule86]

45. Nice attack Democrats and not Republicans...Democrats are on

record saying just that.

[Hekate]

46. Democrats are "clamoring" for Jared the K to lose his security clearance. How's that appear to you?

Are they doing it right? Do you have some advice to offer about the optics?

[Hekate]

47. Ted Lieu, just now. I love this thread! Thanks so much for starting it!

I'll go start one of my own now.