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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:40 AM Jul 2017

Putin has publicly yanked Trump's chain three times so far this year

Putin has a telling way of reminding Trump of exactly how long a leash he's on, and what might happen if he attempts to stray.

The first time was that meeting in the Oval office when per Putin's request Trump mugged it up and glad handed not only the Russian Secretary of State, but also Moscow's Ambassador the the United States - "spy handler" Sergey Kislyak. Kislyak was already politically radioactive at that point - and his name wasn't on the official "guest list" of those who would be attending the Presidential meeting. But as a special favor to the Russians only (the U.S. press pool was barred) an official Russian photographer was allowed to take photos inside the Oval Office. In a move that it is reported made the White House "furious", the Russians then published the photos despite reported assurances that they would not. That's how we all found out that Kislyak attended in the first place, and no one has ever seen Trump smile as broadly as he did for that photo with the Ambassador. That move was about as subtle as a horse head on the pillow.

The second time was after the G20 meeting where Trump holed up with Putin for over two hours on the sidelines. Great care was taken by the Trump team to prevent leaks of what was actually discussed and to control the messaging that came out of the meeting. Unlike the other leaders Trump did not hold a live press briefing after the summit so that he could not be questioned in real time. Instead he had Tillerson make a carefully scripted statement about how Trump strongly challenged Russian interference in our elections, and persisted in that for a length of time before they moved on to other topics without reaching any agreement. And then Putin made his own public statement whereby he pulled the rug out from under Tillerson, Trump, according to Putin, listened to Putin's denial of any Russian interference in the 2016 election, and fully accepted Putin at his word. Trump, of course, was unable to square that circle since he couldn't say that Putin lied. Like incident number one, Putin rubbed Trump's face in it.

The third time just happened and it hasn't gotten as much attention as the others so far, but it has dire implications for Trump. It involves the Russian lawyer who met with Junior and the top tier of Trump's campaign last June to discuss "damning"Russian information on Hillary Clinton. Don Jr. alleged that the Russians, through an intermediary, sought out that meeting with the Trump team which Don Jr., out of politeness and nativity one is asked to believe, didn't immediately inform the FBI about. But no, that's not what happened says
Natalia Veselnitskaya. According to her the Trump campaign solicited her to hold that meeting. Even if that is true there was no one forcing Veselnitskaya to freely offer that information to the U.S. press, which punched another hole in Trump Jr's flimsy coverup. Except this one has significant legal implications. It the Trump team asked for the meeting, rather than the other way around, it becomes much easier to prove that they were soliciting something of value from foreign nationals to use for political purposes in a U.S. election campaign - in clear violation of U.S. law.

Why? Why do the Russians keep intentionally making it harder for Donald Trump to put the Russia scandal behind him, by freely and continually offering up details that both embarrass him AND undermine the credibility of his claims that he isn't beholden to Russia? I think the answer is obvious. They are carefully timed and well placed warning shots that say; "Don't cross us, we still expect you to honor our deal regardless of the difficulties that may now entail for you. We kept our end, you keep yours, or we will not hesitate to bring you down - swiftly and unfailingly. You know full well that we have the means to."

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Putin has publicly yanked Trump's chain three times so far this year (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 OP
Incisive analysis. k&r, nt appal_jack Jul 2017 #1
I think this is why Donny Jr released pnwest Jul 2017 #2
when pootie takes him down that makes if a 2fer. mopinko Jul 2017 #3
True. This is a game Putin can not lose Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #4
Good post. The best part about the first one GusBob Jul 2017 #5
Also at that meeting he bragged about firing Comey GusBob Jul 2017 #6
"The Russians tricked us" Yep. Kind of like that cybersecurity joint task force that they... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #7

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
2. I think this is why Donny Jr released
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:24 AM
Jul 2017

the emails himself. Like he kinda snapped...like it was a stress reaction to the fear of the emails coming out, and the pressure being applied from blackmail, and he just said "fuck it!" and relieved the psychological pressure valve by just letting it out.

mopinko

(70,071 posts)
3. when pootie takes him down that makes if a 2fer.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 11:52 AM
Jul 2017

defeat clinton, showing what a sham our democracy has become. show just how gullible the electorate is to elect such an idiot.

then destroy their own creation for the yucks. he made a deal w the devil, and it didnt give him what he thought he would get.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
4. True. This is a game Putin can not lose
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jul 2017

The only theoretical risk he faces was that the broad spectrum of American politics could unify around a policy strongly opposing him in reaction against his interference in our domestic affairs- and as all can see that is not going to happen, at last not prior to massive damage being inflicted on our democracy, if even then.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
5. Good post. The best part about the first one
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 03:55 PM
Jul 2017

Is the WH response after the fact:

"The Russians tricked us!"

What a stupid thing to publicly admit

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
6. Also at that meeting he bragged about firing Comey
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 03:57 PM
Jul 2017

over the Russian investigation. Admitting to a cover up

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
7. "The Russians tricked us" Yep. Kind of like that cybersecurity joint task force that they...
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:27 PM
Jul 2017

got Trump to gush over in those tweets. To stop Russia from hacking us he was going to turn over all of our keys to them so they wouldn't need to hack anymore.

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