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Pence resigns, Repubs replaces him with someone (Original Post) wasupaloopa Jul 2017 OP
No, I don't think so. Repubs like Pence. MineralMan Jul 2017 #1
That's on the presumption that nothing comes out about him, and the chances of that aren't too high. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #16
Pence won't resign, he is maintaining plausible deniability marylandblue Jul 2017 #2
Pence too has an email problem..... Historic NY Jul 2017 #4
I See The Opposite ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #3
I was 22 during Watergate wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #7
Then You'd Remember ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #22
Ford was picked specifically because he was an honorable man jmowreader Jul 2017 #25
Concur ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #46
I remember all that. I think the country wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #41
I'm Curious - Who Do You Think The Repugs Will Tap To Be Pence's Replacement?..... global1 Jul 2017 #5
Kasic (sp?) wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #8
That Would Be My Guess Too.... global1 Jul 2017 #14
He us a far right extremist. He only looks good compared to people like Trump and Pence. tblue37 Jul 2017 #43
Mitt Romney MurrayDelph Jul 2017 #15
I Don't Think So.... global1 Jul 2017 #17
Trump sent Fredo to offer Kasich the VP slot, telling him he could run the tblue37 Jul 2017 #44
If we're going to come up with possible scenarios.... FM123 Jul 2017 #6
Not realistic, but how about if DARPA produces a talking Llama who wins the hearts & minds of rural FSogol Jul 2017 #9
That would captivate the elementary school vote Not Ruth Jul 2017 #29
WoW!!!!!!! nr global1 Jul 2017 #12
Pence's Spokesman Won't Say If He Had Contact With Russians Me. Jul 2017 #10
No way... titaniumsalute Jul 2017 #11
If Trump Gets To Replace Pence, I Predict He'll Choose.......... ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2017 #13
Newt doesn't have a lot of friends on the Hill. DefenseLawyer Jul 2017 #23
Ivanka Not Ruth Jul 2017 #36
Ivanka????? That would be just like having the Dump onecent Jul 2017 #47
Newtie's always thirsty, though. He needs cameras like he needs water. politicat Jul 2017 #45
The President fills a Vice-presidential vacancy struggle4progress Jul 2017 #18
So Trump appoints a replacement by fiat... or you're saying no replacement and trump does both jobs? JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #19
Twenty-fifth amendment, section 2: struggle4progress Jul 2017 #21
As long as they give him a Theocracy for Mother Bettie Jul 2017 #20
What happens if Trump and Pence have a fight and Trump fires him applegrove Jul 2017 #24
Pence is elected and can only be removed by impeachment. CK_John Jul 2017 #26
Trump can't fire him? I did not know that. applegrove Jul 2017 #27
Trump Can Ask For Him to Resign Locutusofborg Jul 2017 #30
And Pence can tell him no, because he was elected The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #32
He can ask, but Pence can tell him to go pound your burger. CK_John Jul 2017 #38
Pence can resign. Drunken Irishman Jul 2017 #33
but he doesn't have to. CK_John Jul 2017 #39
Remember Spiro Agnew? raging moderate Jul 2017 #28
Agnew had to resign because of his plea deal. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #34
He was charged for bribes as Gov of Md. CK_John Jul 2017 #40
It doesn't work that way. If Pence were to resign The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #31
Trump & Pence are already passing the GOP agenda. Drunken Irishman Jul 2017 #35
No. The GOP wants Trump to resign-- Pence will give them everything they want. Raine1967 Jul 2017 #37
No way Trump resigns then he couldn't use executive powers to obstuct the investigations into him standingtall Jul 2017 #42

MineralMan

(146,050 posts)
1. No, I don't think so. Repubs like Pence.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jul 2017

Why would he resign? Sounds like a fantasy to me, more than a possibility, really.

OnDoutside

(19,864 posts)
16. That's on the presumption that nothing comes out about him, and the chances of that aren't too high.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:28 AM
Jul 2017

He's a slippery snake, but he's not a mastermind. Remember too that he's been fighting to keep his Indiana emails secret.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. Pence won't resign, he is maintaining plausible deniability
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jul 2017

A luxury that Agnew didn't have, because he was prosecuted for corruption dating back to when he was a county official.

ProfessorGAC

(63,846 posts)
3. I See The Opposite
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:16 AM
Jul 2017

Were you of adult age during Watergate era? What you're describing is sort of the opposite of what happened with the Nixon/Ford thing. Ford didn't achieve any major legislative success from Nixon's agenda, or the Republican agenda of the time. He was perilously close to a figurehead.

He had no chance in '76, and Carter, who didn't inspire all that many independents, won easily, even with an independent challenge from John Anderson.

Taking over for a administration in disgrace is hardly a bully pulpit from which to drive an agenda.

ProfessorGAC

(63,846 posts)
22. Then You'd Remember
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jul 2017

Ford was a toothless tiger. The only thing he accomplished was pardoning Nixon and whipping up a frenzy over inflation (remember Whip Inflation Now, or W.I.N.?) and he got killed come 1976 for that. The Congress wasn't really listening to him and the american people dismissed him out of hand.

And, he was not an unpopular character before any of that. He was seen as a good and honorable man but when he got caught up in the wake of Watergate he might as well have been on the ship as it went down.

I'm sure you recall him being the butt of comics' jokes. Chevy Chase launched his career by lampooning Ford. Ford trips on the steps and now he's a national joke. If it weren't for the stain of Watergate, that never would have happened.

Coming in to mop up the blood after a total disaster of an administration running off in disgrace is not an aid in pushing an agenda

jmowreader

(50,353 posts)
25. Ford was picked specifically because he was an honorable man
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 05:55 PM
Jul 2017

After Nixon, the Republicans knew they were screwed in 1976. They needed a nice, honest, inoffensive man who wouldn't mind finishing out his political career by serving as President of the United States to soothe the country for two years until the Democrats moved into the White House in 1977. Ford was the perfect man for the job.

ProfessorGAC

(63,846 posts)
46. Concur
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 09:14 AM
Jul 2017

That said, to the american public at large his clout was pretty close to zero. This is what happens when you have to take over after a disastrous disgrace.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
41. I remember all that. I think the country
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 12:14 AM
Jul 2017

wanted a rest from the war and the protests and Watergate.

Ford was calming influence. I lived in Michigan when he ran against Carter. It was made very clear to us in MI that to save auto industry jobs we needed to keep Ford in office.

He was the only Repub I ever voted for in my life

global1

(25,107 posts)
5. I'm Curious - Who Do You Think The Repugs Will Tap To Be Pence's Replacement?.....
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:19 AM
Jul 2017

And a comment here: If this is to happen - Pence needs to resign soon - as eyes are beginning to focus on him and his possible knowledge of the Russian collusion and his possible meetings/contacts with the Russians. He needs to walk out of the Trump administration relatively unscathed. I don't know if that is possible.

I just posted my theory about some of the notable Repugs that are leaving the Party and declaring themselves as Independents.

Your Pence theory here might fit in with my scenario as to the 2018 Midterms.

Check out this link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029321394

global1

(25,107 posts)
14. That Would Be My Guess Too....
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jul 2017

Kasich seems to be one of the voices of reason within the Repug Party. He certainly has more credibility and likability than the likes of Rubio and Cruz and the other members of the Repug 2016 clown car. Another possibility could be to resurrect Jeb.

With respect to Kasich - if you google him - you will find a number of articles tapping him to run against Trump (should Trump last that long) in 2020.

tblue37

(64,566 posts)
43. He us a far right extremist. He only looks good compared to people like Trump and Pence.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:45 AM
Jul 2017

Yes, he expanded Medicaid and is lobbying Congress to not repeal the ACA, but he is gung ho for the rest of the right wing agenda.

global1

(25,107 posts)
17. I Don't Think So....
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:29 AM
Jul 2017

Romney is a loser and has no credibility. He embarassed himself when he had that dinner with Trump. Looks weak.

Kasich on the other hand - always was against Trump and even after Trump won the nomination and the presidency - Kasich still was against Trump For that reason - Kasich would have a lot of credibility with the Repug voters that want to recover their Party.

Watch in the next few weeks - Kasich will show up as a guest on Morning Joe.

tblue37

(64,566 posts)
44. Trump sent Fredo to offer Kasich the VP slot, telling him he could run the
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:48 AM
Jul 2017

country's domestic and foreign policy. When Kasich asked what Trump would be doing, Fredo said he would be making America great again.

FM123

(10,040 posts)
6. If we're going to come up with possible scenarios....
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:26 AM
Jul 2017

How about Hillary runs and wins congressional seat in NY, the Reps lose the majority in the House, then Dems make her Speaker, the Dems impeach and remove Trumpy & Pence then BOOM she automatically becomes Prez?!?
What? It could happen....

FSogol

(45,265 posts)
9. Not realistic, but how about if DARPA produces a talking Llama who wins the hearts & minds of rural
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:58 AM
Jul 2017

American by appearing (hopelessly outmatched) on some reality dancing shows. The llama is swept into office during the midterms and begins a new era of environmental stewardship to insure a large supply of tasty grain pellets.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
10. Pence's Spokesman Won't Say If He Had Contact With Russians
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jul 2017

That means he has, as a no would be automatic....thus Pence is going to have problems too. As may Ryan & McConnell.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,754 posts)
13. If Trump Gets To Replace Pence, I Predict He'll Choose..........
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jul 2017

..............Newt Gingrich. Just a gut feeling. I think he really WANTED Gingrich as his original running mate but was told it wasn't strategically sound. Plus, Gingrich has been busy getting his face in front of as many cameras as possible lately. Seems like something is in the offing.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
45. Newtie's always thirsty, though. He needs cameras like he needs water.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:18 AM
Jul 2017

PLus, so much dirt on him, too. I don't think any uptick in his bloviations means anything other than he's fighting for attention in a distracted field.

struggle4progress

(117,794 posts)
18. The President fills a Vice-presidential vacancy
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jul 2017

If the presidency and vice-presidency are both vacant, Speaker of the House (Ryan) is next in line, followed by President pro tem of the Senate (Hatch)

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
19. So Trump appoints a replacement by fiat... or you're saying no replacement and trump does both jobs?
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jul 2017

Either way, that's pretty terrible choices... the guy can't even do his own job let alone Pence's, too.

struggle4progress

(117,794 posts)
21. Twenty-fifth amendment, section 2:
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:43 AM
Jul 2017

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress

BTW, a vacancy in the office of the Vice President is a vacancy, not an opportunity for the President to exercise the powers of both offices.

Bettie

(15,893 posts)
20. As long as they give him a Theocracy for Mother
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jul 2017

he'll sign anything they ask him to.

Why would they get rid of him?

applegrove

(117,606 posts)
24. What happens if Trump and Pence have a fight and Trump fires him
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 04:15 PM
Jul 2017

and replaces him with Christe "it was always you, Chris"?

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
38. He can ask, but Pence can tell him to go pound your burger.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jul 2017

The VP has 2 jobs, President of the Senate and break a vote and to call the WH and check on see if the POTUS is still breathing.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,577 posts)
34. Agnew had to resign because of his plea deal.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:53 PM
Jul 2017

He was charged with having accepted bribes while he was the Governor of Maryland and Vice President but was allowed to plead no contest to the charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income - only on the condition that he resign as Vice President.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,577 posts)
31. It doesn't work that way. If Pence were to resign
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jul 2017

Trump would replace him with whoever he wanted, though that person would have to be confirmed by the Senate. But no way in hell will Pence resign. I suspect he's been surreptitiously measuring the drapes in the Oval Office already.

Raine1967

(11,588 posts)
37. No. The GOP wants Trump to resign-- Pence will give them everything they want.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:14 PM
Jul 2017

Right now Dolt 45 is in their way.

standingtall

(2,777 posts)
42. No way Trump resigns then he couldn't use executive powers to obstuct the investigations into him
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:32 AM
Jul 2017

and his whole family of criminals.

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