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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThey "promised" to repeal Obamacare and these women with severely sick children voted
for them, for Whiny Donny and, no doubt, for their local representatives. And now they are marching on Washington to keep their aid?
From a story in TIME
The United Patients of America
Angéla Lorio never thought she would have a friend like Jessica Michot. Lorio is a Republican who once trained to be a nun. Michot is a Democrat who went to school to be a social worker. Lorio watches Fox News; Michot watches MSNBC. Lorio voted for Donald Trump. Michot was for Hillary Clinton all the way.
But the two Louisiana moms, who live just a dozen miles apart, were drawn to each other by a force stronger than politics. They met in 2013, after discovering on Facebook that they had overlapped for months in a Baton Rouge neonatal intensive care unit, praying over tiny beds. Lorios son John Paul and Michots son Gabriel were born at 27 weeks, which led to severe problems that require them to eat through feeding tubes and breathe through trachs. Both boys, now 4, also have developmental delays, and their mothers rely on Medicaid to defray the costs of caring for their sons at home.
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Now, as Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress work to overhaul Americas health care policy, Lorio and Michot find themselves united for another reason: both moms are committed to stopping the Senate Republicans health care plan, which they see as a direct threat to their childrens welfare. Of particular concern is a provision in a Senate draft proposal that would allow insurance companies to impose lifetime caps on benefits, which could make seriously ill patients essentially uninsurable in the private market. Lorio and Michot also oppose a projected 35% reduction over two decades in federal funding for Medicaid, which they fear would force states to eliminate the programs that help parents of disabled children care for their kids at home. They will be cutting off his life support, Michot, 33, says of Gabriel. Without Medicaid, he would either be dead or institutionalized.
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Some parent-advocates have seen the GOP stance on health care as a reason to question their party identity. Alison Chandra, who considered herself a Republican because of the partys position on abortion, finds it hard to square that value for life with the GOP health care proposals. Ive always seen it as very black and white, like the Republicans are pro-life and Im pro-life, so I guess Im a Republican, says Chandra, 33, a former pediatric nurse in New Jersey whose son Ethan, 3, has heterotaxy, a rare condition that caused him to be born with nine congenital heart defects, two left lungs and five spleens. While Chandra and Ethan are covered under her husbands employer-based insurance, the return of lifetime caps would render Ethan virtually uninsurable. His care has already cost almost $2 million in just three years. The party that would have crucified me for aborting my child now wants to make it impossible for me to keep him alive, she says.
http://time.com/4856231/the-united-patients-of-america/
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I really cannot feel sorry for them
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)In light of seeing it happen to one person- her son. She doesn't seem to have her head out of her ass on that one yet.
exboyfil
(18,343 posts)and access to kill their babies.
Of course she is going to vote against them. She is as pure as the wind driven snow.
/sarcasm
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)Docreed2003
(18,709 posts)Took the words right out of my mouth!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Docreed2003
(18,709 posts)Discussing current events, debating, and commiserating with like minded folks is what keeps me sane in this crazy world right now. As our resident satirist, The Ferret, would say, "Shit be cray" and this place is our port in the storm!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'd meant to plan one in NY last fall but things got so close, too close. I regret not doing it. Have met some of my favorite people on earth through DU. I'd suggest dinks and bites after a protest. My first w DU was a war protest. I did others in DC and Boston. Great group of people for the most part.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That's exactly how I feel. I am so sick of these selfish idiots!
mn9driver
(4,826 posts)When they are only pro birth. After that, children like her son are considered defectives and a drain on society.
There was another political party that was comfortable with that concept. Alison is too dumb to make the connection.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Who is Fucking stupid enough to believe anything coming from a pack of pathalogical liars.
exboyfil
(18,343 posts)who wants to take a $100B/yr. out of the healthcare system? That is a million direct jobs - possibly even her's.
Single issue voters need to wake up.
spanone
(141,070 posts)serial liar
exboyfil
(18,343 posts)hope that she would have examined critically during the election.
Nixon had a secret plan to stopping the Vietnam War. Trump had a secret plan for his entire Presidency.
spanone
(141,070 posts)Kittycow
(2,396 posts)Too bad the rest of us have to go down with the ship also
elleng
(141,926 posts)and subjected to vast propaganda. It's society's job to inform them, and encourage them to recognize FACTS, and it's not easy.
question everything
(51,724 posts)I suppose they thought that talking politics was not "adequate" and yet, when you are having such a child who depends on government assistant, you, the Democrat, should have raised it. Though I doubt it would have helped.
What the reporter should have asked was whether the Republicans still support Trump. As we've seen months ago, there was a miner with lung cancer who, and his wife, know what repealing Obamacare would do, yet still support Trump. What can you do with people like that?
Their votes do matter. They brought Trump to power and now millions will be suffering.
Yes, elections have consequences. For these families, too.
Solly Mack
(96,431 posts)Willing to screw other people over but it's not OK to screw you over too.
Because the GOP has never made it a secret of what they plan to do.
And Trump did nothing but lie. You were too busy dreaming about that wall and living in fear of everyone not like you to pay attention.
But, now, suddenly, when the actual party of death panels is knocking at your door - outrage? concern?
Really?
And you are, of course, hoping to appeal to the rest of us by telling your story?
But when other people told their stories, you said what? "Get a job!" "Go back to your own country!" "Not my problem!" "Freeloader!" "Baby-killer!" "Not real Americans!"
But what, if anything, will you learn from this? If you get a reprieve, will you go back to happily embracing feel-good lies? Meaning, you'll go back to denying other people health-care? Denying women their rights?
Will you? Because I think you will.
No one wants you to experience the trauma of losing your child, but no woman should experience the trauma of a forced pregnancy either. You should have thought about that. But you didn't.
Comments were for the Trump voters.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)Of deep regret.
Karma bites can be fatal.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)are going to serve you deplorable asshole!
I feel sorry for your child though. You basically voted to kill him.
kacekwl
(8,905 posts)because you are pro-choice doesn't mean you are pro- death. Come on lady use your head. See the party that is pro-death now do you?
Skittles
(169,766 posts)I feel sorry for their children
Thrill
(19,342 posts)Would make them vote for him?
leftstreet
(38,974 posts)WASHINGTON President-elect Donald J. Trump said this weekend that he was nearly ready to unveil a plan to replace President Obamas Affordable Care Act with insurance for everybody.
Mr. Trump, in an interview Saturday evening with The Washington Post, said that health care offered under his plan would come in a much simplified form much less expensive and much better.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html
pnwmom
(110,198 posts)and they all have very sick children.
I'm glad that they all showed up, whatever their political background.
question everything
(51,724 posts)and, no doubt for Republican candidates for Congress.
They probably still support him.
Thus, when the Republicans, for seven years, and Trump, promised to repeal Obamacare, what exactly were they expecting?
May I offer you the same advice of your title, but without the smugness?
pnwmom
(110,198 posts)was a Republican, and the other was a Democrat.
And the marchers included anyone, without regard to party. MANY of them were Democrats.
question everything
(51,724 posts)the first paragraph:
Angéla Lorio never thought she would have a friend like Jessica Michot. Lorio is a Republican who once trained to be a nun. Michot is a Democrat who went to school to be a social worker. Lorio watches Fox News; Michot watches MSNBC. Lorio voted for Donald Trump. Michot was for Hillary Clinton all the way.
and
Some parent-advocates have seen the GOP stance on health care as a reason to question their party identity. Alison Chandra, who considered herself a Republican because of the partys position on abortion, finds it hard to square that value for life with the GOP health care proposals. Ive always seen it as very black and white, like the Republicans are pro-life and Im pro-life, so I guess Im a Republican, says Chandra, 33, a former pediatric nurse in New Jersey whose son Ethan, 3, has heterotaxy, a rare condition that caused him to be born with nine congenital heart defects, two left lungs and five spleens. While Chandra and Ethan are covered under her husbands employer-based insurance, the return of lifetime caps would render Ethan virtually uninsurable. His care has already cost almost $2 million in just three years. The party that would have crucified me for aborting my child now wants to make it impossible for me to keep him alive, she says.
pnwmom
(110,198 posts)many participants, and many of them were Democrats.
The title of the OP falsely implied that most or all of the women in the march were Republicans.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)That elitist tag comes from the sentiments in this thread. People would rather make a sport out of criticism than look for solutions. A backlash against republicans shouldn't involve abandoning all compasssion and adopting the hateful Trumpist tactics of stereotyping, and demonizing people.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,936 posts)It's been months since the election and even though I'm a pretty laid back person I can't stop being outraged and sick about the outcome and everything that's happened (and we've found out about) since. What do we need to do with these people? Break bread with them and coddle them because they made some awful voting decisions that they don't appear to regret? I want to feel sorry for them because I'm a compassionate person by nature but I have a hard time forgiving and forgetting people whom were presented with an objectively unqualified candidate who has horrible personal qualities and promoted horrible racist, xenophobic policies during the campaign. And he told everybody- as did every single Republican candidate out there- that he was going to repeal ACA and presented no real alternative for anybody to judge or evaluate and yet these people voted for him- enough to put him over the top in the EC. Add to that the Russian influence- the full extent of which we still don't know yet- and the idiocy of people voting for third parties, leaving the top line blank, doing write-in candidates, or simply not voting and look at what kind of mess we are in now!
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)"What do we need to DO with these people?" Republicans have been trying to figure that out with targets like me, people of color, LGBT, women, immigrants. They would like to round us up and through some in prison. Maybe it's time to decide that hating on people who made a bad voting choice is not going to dig us out of this mess, but it will turn us into hypocrites.
Bettie
(19,317 posts)voted for a guy who wasn't secretive about destroying our social safety net.
Now, they are upset because the social safety net is about to be shredded.
If it did not impact her personally, she would not give a single fuck about anyone else it hurt.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I get that it's satisfying to have an outlet for hate and spite. Being fooled into voting for someone who claims they will help is not all that unusual. It doesn't really help anyone to spread hate because it's not a solution, and it certainly isn't going to reverse the election.
Bettie
(19,317 posts)she chose something knowing it would harm others, thinking that she would be spared. She had no care for people who would be harmed and I'm betting that if he's on the ballot in '20, she'll be voting for him.
I have no trust in people who chose that creature. None.
I hope her child survives what his mother chose for him.
It's less hate than it is simply lack of sympathy.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Somehow, I doubt it. I talked with people who voted for Hillary who said, "at least Trump is talking about poor people." He successfully used car salesman talents to sell a bill of goods to people who didn't look beneath the surface. Contrary to what our social circles might suggest, not everyone cares about details when they consider who to vote for.
I get being angry at our current conditions, but targeting people rather than the real culprits is not helpful.
Republicans perfected the strategy of bringing hate of targeted groups to the surface and harnessing it to elect their candidates. You can't turn it on it's head without taking part in the kind of hate that comes with stereotyping and demonizing people.
Bettie
(19,317 posts)Trump voters" thing.
I no longer believe that the other side are mostly decent people who simply have differing ideas.
I used to.
No more.
Do you know her personally? Are you absolutely 100% certain that she's a wonderful person who just needs acceptance to start voting for the greater good over whatever personal hate focus Trump promised to fuck over on her behalf?
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)All I said was that hating her helps no one.
Bettie
(19,317 posts)I said I lack sympathy for her plight.
She's like the guy who goes up to someone in a bar and says "punch me in the stomach as hard as you can" and then is stunned when they get hurt.
Her friend, in this metaphor, is the guy who got sucker punched out of nowhere even though he did nothing to bring it on.
One of them deserves sympathy, the other got exactly what they requested.
question everything
(51,724 posts)They know that they benefited from it, either directly or through the elimination of the cap.
So what did they expect when they voted Trump to power and, as he said, the first thing he was going to do was repeal these benefits? (the third thing: after banning Muslims and building a wall)
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)States that did not expand Medicaid set up conditions where people would blame Obamacare for what the republicans refused to do. Not everyone is a policy wonk and the only thing some people noticed about Obamacare was that it was cheaper to pay the fine.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they got it right the first time.
News flash: we need to turn Tr*mp voters to our side, and insulting them for doing so is not a good idea.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,936 posts)If they want to march against repealing ACA, let them in, but they're not going to help much by then going to the polls next time and voting the same crop of people into office so that they can keep trying to repeal it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The next lying racist/hater/gay basher/misogynist pussy grabbin/fake christian POS republican comes along in the next election and they once again follow their true love like good little fox news sheep.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)gordianot
(15,745 posts)Trump is the stuff of nightmares.
Docreed2003
(18,709 posts)We have lost all sense of "the commons". We have allowed ourselves to become so deluded by the constant barrage of media spewing the concept of "me first", "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", "the other" is taking what's rightfully yours,"our country is in moral decay and you should vote to preserve your beliefs", on and on and on...nevermind that those concepts have been carefully crafted and tested and marketed for years by the very people who want nothing more than to inrich themesleves at the expense of those who can least afford it. We've been systematically brainwashed as a society to place me above we. Only when our shitty decisions affect us are we moved towards outrage. (I realize I'm screaming to the choir here; I'm just pointing out the problem with the global "we" here not to those of us in the resistance!)
question everything
(51,724 posts)Seems that several posters here sympathize with the Republican women. No, they don't need to be 'political wonk" but clearly they have been taking care of their severely sick children around the clock. They know that they are dependent on Obamacare. Or, do they think that Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny have been providing the funds?
And, I bet you, they still support Obama. Several months ago there was a story about a miner dying of lung cancer. He, or at least his wife, know that Obamacare is keeping him alive. Yet he still supports Trump.
But perhaps this is our fault. We should have sent Democratic candidates to these clinics and to explain what Obamacare has been doing and how repealing it would rob them of life, literally. Obviously in Trump country these Democratic candidates would lose, but perhaps something of what they told may sink. At least until the 2018 elections.
maybe
Freethinker65
(11,202 posts)There will be even more parents like this with Betsy destroying public education, Trump gutting the Johnson Amendment, and the decrease in funding to prevent teen pregnancies. The dumbing down of America is necessary to keep Republicans in power.
Bettie
(19,317 posts)Democratic woman who recognized what was coming and voted for the best interest of BOTH of their children.
The other one? She voted, eyes wide open, for what they are both getting. She voted against her child's interests.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)BainsBane
(57,449 posts)healthcare? Then you wouldn't have to be spending time organizing your child from losing healthcare.
Johonny
(25,554 posts)Only republicans aren't pro-life. They're pro labeling and sadly many people's thinking is only slogan deep.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I meet Democrats every day that feel they have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body or fetus. Personally, I would love to never hear of a healthy fetus being aborted, I prefer adoption by people that want a child and can't produce a child. BUT, if a woman has concluded that she must abort the child, her reason is none of my business, making sure that she can do safely is my obligation as part of society.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I really cannot feel sorry for them..."
More accurately, you can-- you simply choose not to.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)for Trump and most likely every republican on the ballot is tough. My issue with people that vote republican is that it has been clear for decades that many republican politicians are anti-people, yet people still vote republican.
The lady that was pro-life likely would not think twice about voting for a republican that would cut food aid to hungry children by 75% if that republican won office. Why? She was a specialized Nurse, probably made good money. She was married to a man who had a job with good health insurance. She likely did and maybe still do view women that need food aid for their kids as losers who society should ignore, that is how such voters think, until serious trouble come to rest on their doorstep.
liberalhistorian
(20,900 posts)children would needlessly suffer, I'd say fuck them, the hell with them. REALLY sick of hypocritical, selfish, ignorant fucks with their "they've given me mine and I really need it but fuck everyone else, take it away from them because they don't need or deserve it" attitudes.