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question everything

(51,724 posts)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:51 AM Jul 2017

They "promised" to repeal Obamacare and these women with severely sick children voted

for them, for Whiny Donny and, no doubt, for their local representatives. And now they are marching on Washington to keep their aid?

From a story in TIME

The United Patients of America

Angéla Lorio never thought she would have a friend like Jessica Michot. Lorio is a Republican who once trained to be a nun. Michot is a Democrat who went to school to be a social worker. Lorio watches Fox News; Michot watches MSNBC. Lorio voted for Donald Trump. Michot was for Hillary Clinton all the way.

But the two Louisiana moms, who live just a dozen miles apart, were drawn to each other by a force stronger than politics. They met in 2013, after discovering on Facebook that they had overlapped for months in a Baton Rouge neonatal intensive care unit, praying over tiny beds. Lorio’s son John Paul and Michot’s son Gabriel were born at 27 weeks, which led to severe problems that require them to eat through feeding tubes and breathe through “trachs.” Both boys, now 4, also have developmental delays, and their mothers rely on Medicaid to defray the costs of caring for their sons at home.

(snip)

Now, as Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress work to overhaul America’s health care policy, Lorio and Michot find themselves united for another reason: both moms are committed to stopping the Senate Republicans’ health care plan, which they see as a direct threat to their children’s welfare. Of particular concern is a provision in a Senate draft proposal that would allow insurance companies to impose lifetime caps on benefits, which could make seriously ill patients essentially uninsurable in the private market. Lorio and Michot also oppose a projected 35% reduction over two decades in federal funding for Medicaid, which they fear would force states to eliminate the programs that help parents of disabled children care for their kids at home. “They will be cutting off his life support,” Michot, 33, says of Gabriel. “Without Medicaid, he would either be dead or institutionalized.”

(snip)

Some parent-advocates have seen the GOP stance on health care as a reason to question their party identity. Alison Chandra, who considered herself a Republican because of the party’s position on abortion, finds it hard to square that value for life with the GOP health care proposals. “I’ve always seen it as very black and white, like the Republicans are pro-life and I’m pro-life, so I guess I’m a Republican,” says Chandra, 33, a former pediatric nurse in New Jersey whose son Ethan, 3, has heterotaxy, a rare condition that caused him to be born with nine congenital heart defects, two left lungs and five spleens. While Chandra and Ethan are covered under her husband’s employer-based insurance, the return of lifetime caps would render Ethan virtually uninsurable. His care has already cost almost $2 million in just three years. “The party that would have crucified me for aborting my child now wants to make it impossible for me to keep him alive,” she says.

http://time.com/4856231/the-united-patients-of-america/

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I really cannot feel sorry for them

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They "promised" to repeal Obamacare and these women with severely sick children voted (Original Post) question everything Jul 2017 OP
Alison wanted to deny millions of women healthcare and it seems she's not rethinking that even bettyellen Jul 2017 #1
They are dirty women who want birth control exboyfil Jul 2017 #5
Fuck her. bettyellen Jul 2017 #13
My sentiment exactly. My patience for these dumb, mean people is done, over. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #26
Aaaaaaand...that's why we love you bettyellen! Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #30
Awww thanks for the love! It's been a tough year politically and we gotta be there for each other. bettyellen Jul 2017 #31
No doubt...I've become even more addicted to DU this year... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #34
I don't know what area you're in but consider planning a meetup some time.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #35
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #38
Alison is a dumbshit who thinks repugs are pro life. mn9driver Jul 2017 #53
So let me get this straight. They're fighting against what they voted for? onecaliberal Jul 2017 #2
She is a pediatric nurse and she voted for the party exboyfil Jul 2017 #3
trump lied to them....re: pre-existing conditions...cheaper rates better coverage spanone Jul 2017 #4
Which for f__ks sake you would exboyfil Jul 2017 #6
you would hope, but it's probably not reality. spanone Jul 2017 #10
Ya dance with those who brung ya! Kittycow Jul 2017 #7
'Feeling sorry' is not useful. They have been uninformed elleng Jul 2017 #8
One of them is a friend and comiserate with a Democrat question everything Jul 2017 #11
So now they're outraged? Solly Mack Jul 2017 #9
How about a steaming cup MFM008 Jul 2017 #12
Enjoy the shit sandwich that Trump and his party..whom you voted for... workinclasszero Jul 2017 #14
These fucking people , just kacekwl Jul 2017 #15
these women make me sick Skittles Jul 2017 #16
What plan exactly did Trump propose for healthcare Thrill Jul 2017 #17
'Insurance for everybody!' leftstreet Jul 2017 #18
Can't anyone read? The women in the March included both Democrats and Republicans, pnwmom Jul 2017 #19
The point is that the Republican women voted for Trump question everything Jul 2017 #20
The point is that people kept criticizing "the women" but only one woman featured in the article pnwmom Jul 2017 #21
Three featured in this story. Two Republican and one Demcorat, but you had to read beyond question everything Jul 2017 #48
The third woman was included further on, not featured. But the point remains: the March included pnwmom Jul 2017 #49
Pity the children. So many have ignorant parents. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #22
Demonizing voters is not helpful loyalsister Jul 2017 #23
I don't know if it's so much "elitism" rather than frustration Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #24
If it comes across as self proclaimed intellectual superiority.. It's fair to call it elitism. loyalsister Jul 2017 #28
This woman, like so many other Trumpkins Bettie Jul 2017 #37
What does demonizing her do for you or other people who will suffer? loyalsister Jul 2017 #44
She wasn't fooled Bettie Jul 2017 #45
Do you know her personally? loyalsister Jul 2017 #47
Ah more of the "we need to reach out to Bettie Jul 2017 #52
I never claimed to know what she believes loyalsister Jul 2017 #54
Didn't say I hate her Bettie Jul 2017 #56
What part of "repeal Obamacare" did they not understand? question everything Jul 2017 #50
The Republicans have done all they can to make Obamacare fail loyalsister Jul 2017 #55
If someone wants to be on our side now, really we should not give many f@cks about whether geek tragedy Jul 2017 #25
Do they want to be on our side now? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #27
Why of course they do until... workinclasszero Jul 2017 #42
If she's going to lee voting against choice she's not on our side. bettyellen Jul 2017 #39
I agree with you on this. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #41
I should have sympathy but I do not. gordianot Jul 2017 #29
This encapsulates precisely the problem of our society as a whole... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #32
Not sure that you are "screaming to the choir here" question everything Jul 2017 #60
Sympathy for the child being born to gullible ignorant parents. Freethinker65 Jul 2017 #33
Strangely, I have much more sympathy for the Bettie Jul 2017 #36
Anti-abortion voters are willing to destroy their lives and everyone else's over that one issue. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #40
How about not voting for the candidate/party that promises to repeal BainsBane Jul 2017 #43
ve always seen it as very black and white, like the Republicans are pro-life and Im pro-life, so I Johonny Jul 2017 #46
I have never met a Democrat that liked abortion. Blue_true Jul 2017 #57
More accurately, you can LanternWaste Jul 2017 #51
You must admit, feeling sorry for a person that voted Blue_true Jul 2017 #58
If it weren't for the fact that their poor, innocent liberalhistorian Jul 2017 #59
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. Alison wanted to deny millions of women healthcare and it seems she's not rethinking that even
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jul 2017

In light of seeing it happen to one person- her son. She doesn't seem to have her head out of her ass on that one yet.

exboyfil

(18,343 posts)
5. They are dirty women who want birth control
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:57 AM
Jul 2017

and access to kill their babies.

Of course she is going to vote against them. She is as pure as the wind driven snow.

/sarcasm

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. Awww thanks for the love! It's been a tough year politically and we gotta be there for each other.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:24 AM
Jul 2017

Docreed2003

(18,709 posts)
34. No doubt...I've become even more addicted to DU this year...
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jul 2017

Discussing current events, debating, and commiserating with like minded folks is what keeps me sane in this crazy world right now. As our resident satirist, The Ferret, would say, "Shit be cray" and this place is our port in the storm!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. I don't know what area you're in but consider planning a meetup some time....
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jul 2017

I'd meant to plan one in NY last fall but things got so close, too close. I regret not doing it. Have met some of my favorite people on earth through DU. I'd suggest dinks and bites after a protest. My first w DU was a war protest. I did others in DC and Boston. Great group of people for the most part.

mn9driver

(4,826 posts)
53. Alison is a dumbshit who thinks repugs are pro life.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jul 2017

When they are only pro birth. After that, children like her son are considered defectives and a drain on society.

There was another political party that was comfortable with that concept. Alison is too dumb to make the connection.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
2. So let me get this straight. They're fighting against what they voted for?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:55 AM
Jul 2017

Who is Fucking stupid enough to believe anything coming from a pack of pathalogical liars.

exboyfil

(18,343 posts)
3. She is a pediatric nurse and she voted for the party
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:56 AM
Jul 2017

who wants to take a $100B/yr. out of the healthcare system? That is a million direct jobs - possibly even her's.

Single issue voters need to wake up.

exboyfil

(18,343 posts)
6. Which for f__ks sake you would
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jul 2017

hope that she would have examined critically during the election.

Nixon had a secret plan to stopping the Vietnam War. Trump had a secret plan for his entire Presidency.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
8. 'Feeling sorry' is not useful. They have been uninformed
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:15 PM
Jul 2017

and subjected to vast propaganda. It's society's job to inform them, and encourage them to recognize FACTS, and it's not easy.

question everything

(51,724 posts)
11. One of them is a friend and comiserate with a Democrat
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jul 2017

I suppose they thought that talking politics was not "adequate" and yet, when you are having such a child who depends on government assistant, you, the Democrat, should have raised it. Though I doubt it would have helped.

What the reporter should have asked was whether the Republicans still support Trump. As we've seen months ago, there was a miner with lung cancer who, and his wife, know what repealing Obamacare would do, yet still support Trump. What can you do with people like that?

Their votes do matter. They brought Trump to power and now millions will be suffering.

Yes, elections have consequences. For these families, too.

Solly Mack

(96,431 posts)
9. So now they're outraged?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jul 2017

Willing to screw other people over but it's not OK to screw you over too.

Because the GOP has never made it a secret of what they plan to do.

And Trump did nothing but lie. You were too busy dreaming about that wall and living in fear of everyone not like you to pay attention.

But, now, suddenly, when the actual party of death panels is knocking at your door - outrage? concern?


Really?

And you are, of course, hoping to appeal to the rest of us by telling your story?

But when other people told their stories, you said what? "Get a job!" "Go back to your own country!" "Not my problem!" "Freeloader!" "Baby-killer!" "Not real Americans!"

But what, if anything, will you learn from this? If you get a reprieve, will you go back to happily embracing feel-good lies? Meaning, you'll go back to denying other people health-care? Denying women their rights?

Will you? Because I think you will.

No one wants you to experience the trauma of losing your child, but no woman should experience the trauma of a forced pregnancy either. You should have thought about that. But you didn't.




Comments were for the Trump voters.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. Enjoy the shit sandwich that Trump and his party..whom you voted for...
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jul 2017

are going to serve you deplorable asshole!

I feel sorry for your child though. You basically voted to kill him.

kacekwl

(8,905 posts)
15. These fucking people , just
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jul 2017

because you are pro-choice doesn't mean you are pro- death. Come on lady use your head. See the party that is pro-death now do you?

leftstreet

(38,974 posts)
18. 'Insurance for everybody!'
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jul 2017

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump said this weekend that he was nearly ready to unveil a plan to replace President Obama’s Affordable Care Act with “insurance for everybody.”

Mr. Trump, in an interview Saturday evening with The Washington Post, said that health care offered under his plan would come “in a much simplified form — much less expensive and much better.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html

pnwmom

(110,198 posts)
19. Can't anyone read? The women in the March included both Democrats and Republicans,
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:32 PM
Jul 2017

and they all have very sick children.

I'm glad that they all showed up, whatever their political background.

question everything

(51,724 posts)
20. The point is that the Republican women voted for Trump
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:16 AM
Jul 2017

and, no doubt for Republican candidates for Congress.

They probably still support him.

Thus, when the Republicans, for seven years, and Trump, promised to repeal Obamacare, what exactly were they expecting?

May I offer you the same advice of your title, but without the smugness?



pnwmom

(110,198 posts)
21. The point is that people kept criticizing "the women" but only one woman featured in the article
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jul 2017

was a Republican, and the other was a Democrat.

And the marchers included anyone, without regard to party. MANY of them were Democrats.

question everything

(51,724 posts)
48. Three featured in this story. Two Republican and one Demcorat, but you had to read beyond
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jul 2017

the first paragraph:

Angéla Lorio never thought she would have a friend like Jessica Michot. Lorio is a Republican who once trained to be a nun. Michot is a Democrat who went to school to be a social worker. Lorio watches Fox News; Michot watches MSNBC. Lorio voted for Donald Trump. Michot was for Hillary Clinton all the way.

and

Some parent-advocates have seen the GOP stance on health care as a reason to question their party identity. Alison Chandra, who considered herself a Republican because of the party’s position on abortion, finds it hard to square that value for life with the GOP health care proposals. “I’ve always seen it as very black and white, like the Republicans are pro-life and I’m pro-life, so I guess I’m a Republican,” says Chandra, 33, a former pediatric nurse in New Jersey whose son Ethan, 3, has heterotaxy, a rare condition that caused him to be born with nine congenital heart defects, two left lungs and five spleens. While Chandra and Ethan are covered under her husband’s employer-based insurance, the return of lifetime caps would render Ethan virtually uninsurable. His care has already cost almost $2 million in just three years. “The party that would have crucified me for aborting my child now wants to make it impossible for me to keep him alive,” she says.


pnwmom

(110,198 posts)
49. The third woman was included further on, not featured. But the point remains: the March included
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:52 PM
Jul 2017

many participants, and many of them were Democrats.

The title of the OP falsely implied that most or all of the women in the march were Republicans.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
23. Demonizing voters is not helpful
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jul 2017

That elitist tag comes from the sentiments in this thread. People would rather make a sport out of criticism than look for solutions. A backlash against republicans shouldn't involve abandoning all compasssion and adopting the hateful Trumpist tactics of stereotyping, and demonizing people.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,936 posts)
24. I don't know if it's so much "elitism" rather than frustration
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jul 2017

It's been months since the election and even though I'm a pretty laid back person I can't stop being outraged and sick about the outcome and everything that's happened (and we've found out about) since. What do we need to do with these people? Break bread with them and coddle them because they made some awful voting decisions that they don't appear to regret? I want to feel sorry for them because I'm a compassionate person by nature but I have a hard time forgiving and forgetting people whom were presented with an objectively unqualified candidate who has horrible personal qualities and promoted horrible racist, xenophobic policies during the campaign. And he told everybody- as did every single Republican candidate out there- that he was going to repeal ACA and presented no real alternative for anybody to judge or evaluate and yet these people voted for him- enough to put him over the top in the EC. Add to that the Russian influence- the full extent of which we still don't know yet- and the idiocy of people voting for third parties, leaving the top line blank, doing write-in candidates, or simply not voting and look at what kind of mess we are in now!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
28. If it comes across as self proclaimed intellectual superiority.. It's fair to call it elitism.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jul 2017

"What do we need to DO with these people?" Republicans have been trying to figure that out with targets like me, people of color, LGBT, women, immigrants. They would like to round us up and through some in prison. Maybe it's time to decide that hating on people who made a bad voting choice is not going to dig us out of this mess, but it will turn us into hypocrites.

Bettie

(19,317 posts)
37. This woman, like so many other Trumpkins
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jul 2017

voted for a guy who wasn't secretive about destroying our social safety net.

Now, they are upset because the social safety net is about to be shredded.

If it did not impact her personally, she would not give a single fuck about anyone else it hurt.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
44. What does demonizing her do for you or other people who will suffer?
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:44 PM
Jul 2017

I get that it's satisfying to have an outlet for hate and spite. Being fooled into voting for someone who claims they will help is not all that unusual. It doesn't really help anyone to spread hate because it's not a solution, and it certainly isn't going to reverse the election.

Bettie

(19,317 posts)
45. She wasn't fooled
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jul 2017

she chose something knowing it would harm others, thinking that she would be spared. She had no care for people who would be harmed and I'm betting that if he's on the ballot in '20, she'll be voting for him.

I have no trust in people who chose that creature. None.

I hope her child survives what his mother chose for him.

It's less hate than it is simply lack of sympathy.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
47. Do you know her personally?
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jul 2017

Somehow, I doubt it. I talked with people who voted for Hillary who said, "at least Trump is talking about poor people." He successfully used car salesman talents to sell a bill of goods to people who didn't look beneath the surface. Contrary to what our social circles might suggest, not everyone cares about details when they consider who to vote for.

I get being angry at our current conditions, but targeting people rather than the real culprits is not helpful.

Republicans perfected the strategy of bringing hate of targeted groups to the surface and harnessing it to elect their candidates. You can't turn it on it's head without taking part in the kind of hate that comes with stereotyping and demonizing people.

Bettie

(19,317 posts)
52. Ah more of the "we need to reach out to
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jul 2017

Trump voters" thing.

I no longer believe that the other side are mostly decent people who simply have differing ideas.

I used to.

No more.

Do you know her personally? Are you absolutely 100% certain that she's a wonderful person who just needs acceptance to start voting for the greater good over whatever personal hate focus Trump promised to fuck over on her behalf?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
54. I never claimed to know what she believes
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:37 PM
Jul 2017

All I said was that hating her helps no one.

Bettie

(19,317 posts)
56. Didn't say I hate her
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:41 PM
Jul 2017

I said I lack sympathy for her plight.

She's like the guy who goes up to someone in a bar and says "punch me in the stomach as hard as you can" and then is stunned when they get hurt.

Her friend, in this metaphor, is the guy who got sucker punched out of nowhere even though he did nothing to bring it on.

One of them deserves sympathy, the other got exactly what they requested.

question everything

(51,724 posts)
50. What part of "repeal Obamacare" did they not understand?
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:54 PM
Jul 2017

They know that they benefited from it, either directly or through the elimination of the cap.

So what did they expect when they voted Trump to power and, as he said, the first thing he was going to do was repeal these benefits? (the third thing: after banning Muslims and building a wall)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
55. The Republicans have done all they can to make Obamacare fail
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:48 PM
Jul 2017

States that did not expand Medicaid set up conditions where people would blame Obamacare for what the republicans refused to do. Not everyone is a policy wonk and the only thing some people noticed about Obamacare was that it was cheaper to pay the fine.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. If someone wants to be on our side now, really we should not give many f@cks about whether
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:44 AM
Jul 2017

they got it right the first time.

News flash: we need to turn Tr*mp voters to our side, and insulting them for doing so is not a good idea.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,936 posts)
27. Do they want to be on our side now?
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:50 AM
Jul 2017

If they want to march against repealing ACA, let them in, but they're not going to help much by then going to the polls next time and voting the same crop of people into office so that they can keep trying to repeal it.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
42. Why of course they do until...
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:15 PM
Jul 2017

The next lying racist/hater/gay basher/misogynist pussy grabbin/fake christian POS republican comes along in the next election and they once again follow their true love like good little fox news sheep.

Docreed2003

(18,709 posts)
32. This encapsulates precisely the problem of our society as a whole...
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jul 2017

We have lost all sense of "the commons". We have allowed ourselves to become so deluded by the constant barrage of media spewing the concept of "me first", "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", "the other" is taking what's rightfully yours,"our country is in moral decay and you should vote to preserve your beliefs", on and on and on...nevermind that those concepts have been carefully crafted and tested and marketed for years by the very people who want nothing more than to inrich themesleves at the expense of those who can least afford it. We've been systematically brainwashed as a society to place me above we. Only when our shitty decisions affect us are we moved towards outrage. (I realize I'm screaming to the choir here; I'm just pointing out the problem with the global "we" here not to those of us in the resistance!)

question everything

(51,724 posts)
60. Not sure that you are "screaming to the choir here"
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 12:33 AM
Jul 2017

Seems that several posters here sympathize with the Republican women. No, they don't need to be 'political wonk" but clearly they have been taking care of their severely sick children around the clock. They know that they are dependent on Obamacare. Or, do they think that Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny have been providing the funds?

And, I bet you, they still support Obama. Several months ago there was a story about a miner dying of lung cancer. He, or at least his wife, know that Obamacare is keeping him alive. Yet he still supports Trump.

But perhaps this is our fault. We should have sent Democratic candidates to these clinics and to explain what Obamacare has been doing and how repealing it would rob them of life, literally. Obviously in Trump country these Democratic candidates would lose, but perhaps something of what they told may sink. At least until the 2018 elections.

maybe

Freethinker65

(11,202 posts)
33. Sympathy for the child being born to gullible ignorant parents.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jul 2017

There will be even more parents like this with Betsy destroying public education, Trump gutting the Johnson Amendment, and the decrease in funding to prevent teen pregnancies. The dumbing down of America is necessary to keep Republicans in power.

Bettie

(19,317 posts)
36. Strangely, I have much more sympathy for the
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 11:56 AM
Jul 2017

Democratic woman who recognized what was coming and voted for the best interest of BOTH of their children.

The other one? She voted, eyes wide open, for what they are both getting. She voted against her child's interests.

BainsBane

(57,449 posts)
43. How about not voting for the candidate/party that promises to repeal
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jul 2017

healthcare? Then you wouldn't have to be spending time organizing your child from losing healthcare.

Johonny

(25,554 posts)
46. ve always seen it as very black and white, like the Republicans are pro-life and Im pro-life, so I
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:26 PM
Jul 2017

Only republicans aren't pro-life. They're pro labeling and sadly many people's thinking is only slogan deep.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
57. I have never met a Democrat that liked abortion.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:25 PM
Jul 2017

I meet Democrats every day that feel they have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body or fetus. Personally, I would love to never hear of a healthy fetus being aborted, I prefer adoption by people that want a child and can't produce a child. BUT, if a woman has concluded that she must abort the child, her reason is none of my business, making sure that she can do safely is my obligation as part of society.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
51. More accurately, you can
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jul 2017

"I really cannot feel sorry for them..."

More accurately, you can-- you simply choose not to.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
58. You must admit, feeling sorry for a person that voted
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:36 PM
Jul 2017

for Trump and most likely every republican on the ballot is tough. My issue with people that vote republican is that it has been clear for decades that many republican politicians are anti-people, yet people still vote republican.

The lady that was pro-life likely would not think twice about voting for a republican that would cut food aid to hungry children by 75% if that republican won office. Why? She was a specialized Nurse, probably made good money. She was married to a man who had a job with good health insurance. She likely did and maybe still do view women that need food aid for their kids as losers who society should ignore, that is how such voters think, until serious trouble come to rest on their doorstep.

liberalhistorian

(20,900 posts)
59. If it weren't for the fact that their poor, innocent
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 07:25 PM
Jul 2017

children would needlessly suffer, I'd say fuck them, the hell with them. REALLY sick of hypocritical, selfish, ignorant fucks with their "they've given me mine and I really need it but fuck everyone else, take it away from them because they don't need or deserve it" attitudes.

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