Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:13 PM
OliverQ (3,363 posts)
Adam Schiff proposes Constitutional Amendment to end Citizens UnitedLink to tweet I don't expect this to go anywhere with Republicans controlling Congress and most States, but I love that he's actually proposing this. The money poured into campaigns is destroying Democracy.
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OliverQ | Jul 2017 | OP |
Achilleaze | Jul 2017 | #1 | |
Shell_Seas | Jul 2017 | #2 | |
Kathy M | Jul 2017 | #25 | |
BigmanPigman | Jul 2017 | #3 | |
Nitram | Jul 2017 | #20 | |
Warpy | Jul 2017 | #4 | |
Volaris | Jul 2017 | #18 | |
superpatriotman | Jul 2017 | #5 | |
LakeArenal | Jul 2017 | #9 | |
brer cat | Jul 2017 | #21 | |
George II | Jul 2017 | #22 | |
brer cat | Jul 2017 | #26 | |
BainsBane | Jul 2017 | #28 | |
TeapotInATempest | Jul 2017 | #6 | |
ProfessorPlum | Jul 2017 | #7 | |
XRubicon | Jul 2017 | #8 | |
2naSalit | Jul 2017 | #10 | |
byronius | Jul 2017 | #11 | |
UCmeNdc | Jul 2017 | #12 | |
ffr | Jul 2017 | #13 | |
PoliticAverse | Jul 2017 | #14 | |
smirkymonkey | Jul 2017 | #15 | |
polmaven | Jul 2017 | #16 | |
Kablooie | Jul 2017 | #17 | |
leftinalabama | Jul 2017 | #19 | |
ananda | Jul 2017 | #23 | |
Kathy M | Jul 2017 | #24 | |
MichMary | Jul 2017 | #27 | |
mr_lebowski | Jul 2017 | #34 | |
BainsBane | Jul 2017 | #29 | |
TryLogic | Jul 2017 | #37 | |
VOX | Jul 2017 | #30 | |
Alice11111 | Jul 2017 | #31 | |
Honeycombe8 | Jul 2017 | #32 | |
oasis | Jul 2017 | #33 | |
Fortinbras Armstrong | Jul 2017 | #35 | |
Gabi Hayes | Jul 2017 | #36 | |
lark | Jul 2017 | #38 | |
BlancheSplanchnik | Jul 2017 | #39 | |
c-rational | Jul 2017 | #40 |
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:15 PM
Achilleaze (15,475 posts)
1. This
K and r
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:18 PM
Shell_Seas (3,077 posts)
2. Good!!
But Repubes won't go for it.
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Response to Shell_Seas (Reply #2)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:05 PM
Kathy M (1,242 posts)
25. will be interesting to see which and if any democrats opose
I hope this does make it for a vote , would be god to see how everyone votes
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:27 PM
BigmanPigman (48,366 posts)
3. It is sad (and frustrating)when you think how little dems can do these days!
Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 05:12 PM
Nitram (19,933 posts)
20. I agree, but it won't always be that way. It is amazing how quickly things can change in the old
democracy.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:28 PM
Warpy (105,700 posts)
4. You mean it would describe money as property
and speech as belonging only to individual, living human beings?
Funny, the founders seemed to thing that sort of thing is common sense. They failed to anticipate Republicans. |
Response to Warpy (Reply #4)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 05:01 PM
Volaris (9,985 posts)
18. Or that a panel of justices would recognize the privileges of corporations
To be on equal footing with the Rights that they fought, died, and got people killed for.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:29 PM
superpatriotman (6,054 posts)
5. Tell me why
Democrats aren't proposing Constitutional amendments on a daily basis?
At least then the message gets out there. |
Response to superpatriotman (Reply #5)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 03:42 PM
LakeArenal (25,235 posts)
9. I ask myself that a lot...
If anything else it draws the line between the choices people have.
Nothing wrong with a party that has a wish list that helps people not pockets. Nothing wrong with advertising what Democrats stand for. They always says candidates don't run on the issues because of all the mud slinging. Okay, then talk about them now. |
Response to superpatriotman (Reply #5)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 05:36 PM
brer cat (20,336 posts)
21. What Constitutional amendments do you think we need?
There have been 33 proposed and 27 ratified since 1789, and you think we now need another one DAILY?
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Response to brer cat (Reply #21)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 07:58 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
22. You are WAAAAY to logical!!!
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Response to George II (Reply #22)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:05 PM
brer cat (20,336 posts)
26. I wonder if it might be considered spamming
to drop one daily.
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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #5)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:40 PM
BainsBane (52,284 posts)
28. Because they'd sound like idiots
For starters. You do realize they have actual jobs to do in congress? They aren't responsible for entertaining you.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:37 PM
TeapotInATempest (804 posts)
6. YES
Thank you, Rep. Schiff. I know it won't go anywhere - at least for now - but we need our elected officials to start acknowledging and fighting against the deleterious effects of money on our democratic process.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 03:13 PM
ProfessorPlum (11,162 posts)
7. excellent
let's get the rest of the Democrats on board and push this! Give people a reason to vote them in in 2018!
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 03:24 PM
XRubicon (2,169 posts)
8. This needs to happen.
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 03:59 PM
byronius (6,987 posts)
11. Schiff continues to serve the public admirably. A straight arrow. American.
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 04:03 PM
ffr (21,933 posts)
13. Corporationi owned republicans, you mean.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 04:07 PM
PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)
14. He also did this in 2015...
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 04:15 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
15. Bravo!
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 04:19 PM
polmaven (9,463 posts)
16. I belong to a group "We the People"
which has been working for a few years to do the same thing. It has chapters in several states across the country. My chapter is currently working with our State representatives to "sponsor" the bill...It will be going to the Congress and then back to the states. It is a long and tedious process, but we intend to keep at it.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 04:21 PM
Kablooie (18,019 posts)
17. He's becoming the go-to guy if you want something done.
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 05:03 PM
leftinalabama (30 posts)
19. This is what needs to happen
He should seriously consider running for President. I always said that any politician who advocated for getting the money out of politics would get my vote.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 07:59 PM
ananda (27,192 posts)
23. I saw this in his tweeter feed earlier.
And I must say I am VERY impressed!
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:03 PM
Kathy M (1,242 posts)
24. This should have been done a long time ago
I hope it does get overturned
Elections should only have a set amount and fair time |
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:23 PM
MichMary (1,714 posts)
27. Would this apply to
union contributions?
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Response to MichMary (Reply #27)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:06 AM
mr_lebowski (30,260 posts)
34. Sure ... Union campaign contributions are a drop in teh bucket compared to corporate ones
And the massive one's coming from billionaires.
If we have to compromise in this way, I would (with regret) acquiesce. It's still a net-win for our side. Besides just limits, we also need WAY more transparency, along with tougher laws/penalties. Also very importantly we need for there to be no more getting around the limits by allowing corporations and billionaires to give unlimited money to 'special interest SuperPACS' ... which is really just an indirect way to promote candidates ... by promoting their 'agenda' or attacking their opponents ... instead of giving to their campaigns personally. Serious bullshit loophole right there that needs to end. Then we need a serious push for public financing of all elections and a limit on their length/how long before an election they can start. |
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:43 PM
BainsBane (52,284 posts)
29. So he is going to run for President.
Good.
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Response to BainsBane (Reply #29)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 09:23 AM
TryLogic (1,675 posts)
37. He has my vote.
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:17 AM
VOX (22,976 posts)
30. Hell yes. Politics has BECOME big business...
And that's where the trouble begins.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:23 AM
Alice11111 (5,730 posts)
31. Thank you, Rare Rep with
Cajones.
These things take years. Most people, even Trumpsters, are tired of money in politics. This might work. |
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:10 AM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
32. I wish he were my senator. He's been a standout this year. Hard worker. Bold. Outspoken.nt
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:15 AM
oasis (48,698 posts)
33. What kind of deplorable would be against getting money out of politics?
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:15 AM
Fortinbras Armstrong (4,473 posts)
35. Here is Theodore Roosevelt on corporate campaign contributions
All contributions by corporations to any political committee or for any political purpose should be forbidden by law; directors should not be permitted to use stockholders' money for such purposes; and, moreover, a prohibition of this kind would be, as far as it went, an effective method of stopping the evils aimed at in corrupt practices acts. Not only should both the National and the several State Legislatures forbid any officer of a corporation from using the money of the corporation in or about any election, but they should also forbid such use of money in connection with any legislation save by the employment of counsel in public manner for distinctly legal services.
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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #35)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:30 AM
Gabi Hayes (28,795 posts)
36. Dig this.....shitcher pants time
Conservatives are targeting 13 states, including Wisconsin, to pass the six more state resolutions necessary to trigger a constitutional convention
http://inthesetimes.com/article/20178/wisconsin-may-bring-koch-brothers-closer-to-constitutional-convention Simon Davis-Cohen reported for In These Times in 2016 that a constitutional convention has long been a prize of corporate interest groups and states-rights advocates. While the Maine House rejected a convention proposal last week, 12 other states have recently applied to hold one. Combined with 16 states that passed resolutions during a conservative push in the 1980s, that brings the total to 28—just six short of the 34 needed to trigger the confab. -------------- Democracy in Chains Read it It's closer than you think They have it all figured out, from microgerrymandering, to school boards, to textbooks, to ALEC, to Con con.....they're almost there; their plan is near completion There! |
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 09:30 AM
lark (21,768 posts)
38. So many Democrats are stepping up.
Schiff, Joe Kennedy, Kamala Harris. I love our progressive rising stars as well as the reliables like Franken, Warren, Sanders etc.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:15 AM
BlancheSplanchnik (20,219 posts)
39. K. R. n/t
Response to OliverQ (Original post)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:00 PM
c-rational (2,314 posts)
40. Wonderful - It should be called the Anti-Roberts Amendment...the correct and rational thing to do
when faced with the idiocy of the a Supreme Court Citizen United Ruling. This should address the completely fictitious notion that our forefathers could believe that an international corporation such as GE could possibly have an equivalent voice as an individual.
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