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Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:25 AM

 

So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus

Thank the gods for the persistence of establishment neoliberal corporatists.

Thank the gods that Russia wasn't able to hack our opinions and make us believe that Hillary lost in a fair fight.

I thank everyone who stood up for our first female nominee who won the popular vote by 3 million, despite so much bullshit.

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Reply So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus (Original post)
La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 OP
mcar Jul 2017 #1
La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #2
mcar Jul 2017 #3
ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #4
La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #6
Control-Z Jul 2017 #16
R B Garr Jul 2017 #18
Hekate Jul 2017 #34
hatrack Jul 2017 #43
lapucelle Jul 2017 #53
Roy Rolling Jul 2017 #68
emulatorloo Jul 2017 #7
R B Garr Jul 2017 #11
RestoreAmerica2020 Jul 2017 #70
Chevy Jul 2017 #8
OnDoutside Jul 2017 #13
emulatorloo Jul 2017 #5
Me. Jul 2017 #9
rockfordfile Jul 2017 #41
Me. Jul 2017 #42
NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #47
Blue_true Jul 2017 #52
Chevy Jul 2017 #10
yardwork Jul 2017 #12
dalton99a Jul 2017 #15
pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #21
betsuni Jul 2017 #48
Nitram Jul 2017 #14
L. Coyote Jul 2017 #24
Nitram Jul 2017 #67
BlueMTexpat Jul 2017 #69
L. Coyote Jul 2017 #71
FakeNoose Jul 2017 #28
Post removed Jul 2017 #39
MrsCoffee Jul 2017 #17
oasis Jul 2017 #26
VOX Jul 2017 #63
R B Garr Jul 2017 #19
pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #20
George II Jul 2017 #22
Gothmog Jul 2017 #23
bettyellen Jul 2017 #37
Gothmog Jul 2017 #50
aikoaiko Jul 2017 #25
Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #27
Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2017 #29
stevenleser Jul 2017 #36
pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #40
Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #44
QC Jul 2017 #46
pnwmom Jul 2017 #57
C Moon Jul 2017 #30
Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #31
Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #32
Hekate Jul 2017 #33
Fla Dem Jul 2017 #35
Blue_true Jul 2017 #54
Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #38
betsuni Jul 2017 #45
Nevernose Jul 2017 #49
Funtatlaguy Jul 2017 #51
lapucelle Jul 2017 #55
raven mad Jul 2017 #56
Nitram Jul 2017 #72
raven mad Jul 2017 #75
Post removed Jul 2017 #58
betsuni Jul 2017 #59
Post removed Jul 2017 #61
betsuni Jul 2017 #62
JI7 Jul 2017 #60
betsuni Jul 2017 #64
Neema Jul 2017 #65
lark Jul 2017 #66
Nitram Jul 2017 #73
lark Jul 2017 #74

Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:26 AM

1. Some are still saying it

And are more interested in attacking Dems than fighting this corrupt administration.

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Response to mcar (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:27 AM

2. Did you see Jill Stein's tweet this morning ?

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:28 AM

3. It's what I was thinking of

Makes me want to

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:30 AM

4. I did--she sounds just like Trump

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:30 AM

6. Yup

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:08 PM

16. Someone needs to link to the tweet.

Please?

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:16 PM

18. Looks like this one in pnwmom's thread:

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:05 PM

34. Oh. My. Gods.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:20 PM

43. "Dustbin Of History, table for one?"

Stein is a pathetic pool of

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Response to hatrack (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:56 PM

53. Jill has a reservation for a table of ten.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 11:25 AM

68. God, her fu*kin' 15 minutes of fame was up 14 minutes ago

Please, STFU.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:31 AM

7. The tweet may as well have been written by Bannon.

Alt-right CT

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:48 AM

11. Yes! And there's a reason they all share the same divisive

talking points.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 11:39 AM

70. She's vying for a job...not sure if it's with eltrumpf admin or putdns either one...

Either way, she can bring along her desktop russian flag and delightful photo of her dining it up with kgbpudn, traitorflynn, and russian oligarchs. Such wonderful patriotic photo!

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:38 AM

8. That tweet is word for word what

 

The Russian bots are using.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:00 PM

13. That's because she's up to her neck in it as well.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:30 AM

5. They probably saw that on Russia Today

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:38 AM

9. The Good Thing About It Is

There can no longer be any doubt where they or people like Stein stand. Masks are off.

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Response to Me. (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:00 PM

41. It wasn't just Stein supporters that it. Hardcore BernieBros did the same

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:16 PM

42. Exactly

I wonder when Tad Devine will get a look-see

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:20 PM

47. Some of the same people

Some of the bros voted for Stein rather than Hillary. That's not just me saying that; they BRAGGED about it.

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Response to Me. (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:44 PM

52. Yep.

They most certainly are NOT liberals or anything close. Stein made such a big deal of joining the pipeline protest before the election. But Trump has absolutely destroyed environmental protections and Jill Stein is as silent as a church mouse.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:39 AM

10. They still are

 

and they are even idolized by some here.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:55 AM

12. Democracy is up against a war on two fronts.

The propaganda aimed at right wingers is fairly obvious except to those who are being brainwashed. The propaganda aimed at progressives, with the intent to divide and weaken all opposition to the hard right Republicans, is less obvious. It is highly effective, though. I know some who are completely brainwashed into thinking that it is somehow noble and wise to tear down the Democratic Party.

I saw a car yesterday proudly displaying a bumper sticker saying "I wrote in Bernie." I'm in a purple state. Hillary could have won here. How could anybody still think it was a good idea to vote against her.

Sad.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:04 PM

15. +1

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:27 PM

21. Yes. You are right on. Thank-you for the post. Eom

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:42 PM

48. +1

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:00 PM

14. Um, I haven't heard anyone on the left call it bogus.

Perhaps some Russian provocateurs or trolls?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:11 PM

24. No one on the left eh?

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 09:37 AM

67. Still litigating the primary, eh?

Get a life.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 11:39 AM

69. I must have missed it.

Was Jill Stein ever in the 2016 Democratic primaries?

The Stein tweet referenced in the post you responded to was from July 21, 2017.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:35 PM

71. No, just pointing out how wrong your statement is.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:36 PM

28. Agreed - I never heard a Democrat call the Russian involvement bogus

Jill Stein is not a Dem, so she doesn't count. She's not even "left."

We had our heads in the sand and failed to notice in time to stop the Russian involvement.
I'll grant you that. But we never tried to convince people it wasn't happening.

Hillary's group was very vocal about the Russian involvement, also many others.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:12 PM

17. Those that call the Russia story a distraction or witch hunt cannot be trusted.

Plain and simple.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:20 PM

26. +1

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:06 AM

63. Precisely!

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:21 PM

19. Whoa, just Googled her twitter feed, and she does sound like Trump in

meltdown mode. Their comments and delusions are interchangeable. Birds of a feather....

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:26 PM

20. They called themselves extreme left, and THE progressives, but I do not buy that definition

 

of who these people are. There was also a participation in the Russia influence in the primaries, so just how seriously am I going to take their arguments.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:35 PM

22. I suspect that many who claim to be "on the left" really aren't.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:42 PM

23. On the JPR site, it is taken as gospel that the russian story is false

That website is full of russian and Putin lovers. There is so much fake news on that site that it is sad. They are now showing Inforwar videos on that site

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:17 PM

37. And remember how often they'd joke about red baiting or McCarthyism when they were here....

 

Sort of hiding in plain sight. I don't know how so many fell for that shit.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:02 PM

50. I remember seeing five or six threads on the pizzagate stupidity long after it was debunked

Eventually the idiot admins on that site banned pizzagate stories. The JPR site was full of fake stories from Russia and the idiots on that site bought these lies. The posters on that site are really sad people who believe that Putin is our friend.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:18 PM

25. The actions and motivations of the Russians are indisputable


And I agree that those actions didn't impact our opinion of HRC.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:25 PM

27. I think you mean the "alt-left"...

whose Progressive bona fides should be in question, at least.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:38 PM

29. We get it.

 

You don't like the Left.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:09 PM

36. Your choice to employ a strawman here is noted. nt

 

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:29 PM

40. Aren't we the left? Don't we have to "sign" something to post on DU, claiming we are left?

 

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Response to pirateshipdude (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:03 PM

44. Yes, you have to sign the tos saying you will abide by the rules otherwise you get tossed out..

.... or flagged for review. Know what I'm saying Vern?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:16 PM

46. You really must learn to see beyond such technicalities. n/t

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:19 PM

57. You seem to identify the left with the alt-left. They're NOT the same.

The alt-left is closer to the alt-right than to real progressives.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:44 PM

30. I'm certain she won by a lot more than 3 million.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:48 PM

31. Not so many. Some, sure. Do you also thank the gods for millions of leftists who stood with Hillary?

Yes, that is a rhetorical question, I know you do. It's just that I get tired of seeing the word "left" so frequently assigned to describe the type of sentiments often expressed at JPR. Actually "The Left" comprises a significant segment of the Democratic Party. And by far most of the left leaning Independent who do not want to self identify as Democrats clearly preferred Hillary over Trump in 2016, and did not consider Russian attacks "bogus". There was a pretty broad consensus, outside of the Republican Party, that the Russia story is, and was, real. That includes the Left, although there are exceptions to that and we all know where to go looking for them (assuming one knows how to distinguish between the bots, trolls and actual real people)

Here's an OP I posted on DU in February FYI:

I'm a leftist who is, in the big picture, strongly "Pro-American" & "Anti-Russian"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028673092

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:58 PM

32. I am PROUD to say that I thought this from election night....and strongly suspected it before.

I took flack for it, for sure. I was banned from a thread on another forum the night of the election for just NOTICING that the results didn't seem to jive with 12 of the 13 polls, and just asking the question if it's possible that Russia interfered. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist kind of person, and I TOTALLY accept real election results. But something seemed to be not quite right.

It was obvious from the start that the media, the politicians, and most others wanted the American voters to have confidence in the election system. As if not vocalizing questions would make the issues go away.

I remember when my concerns started jelling...it was that that request to Russia from the campaign trail by Trump, "Russia, if you're listening....we need those missing emails found!" Followed a few days later by Wikileaks dumping a lot of stuff against Clinton. I pointed that out, but was ignored. Maybe it's nothing, I thought.

Another time was a speech he gave at a rally in Pennsylvania. Something about it raised a red flag to me. I pointed it out. No one paid attention. I don't blame them, really. It sounded like I was paranoid & wacko.

As a political junkie who has watched more debates and campaign speeches than I could count, who follows national elections compulsively...I was picking up on some weird stuff that led me to think that Russia was helping Trump, that something was wrong. Some things in print don't sound suspicious, but when you hear them, there's something wrong.

I am not happy this turned out to be true. But since it is, I am so glad that others see it, too, now! And it's not just wacky ME, being paranoid and sour grapes. And I'm glad the media finally came to their senses. They were on board from election night with everything being on the up and up, nothing wrong here, Trump won fairly and squarely.

Clinton called him out for being a Russian Puppet, if he wins...remember that? Yeah...it was getting to be obvious at that point. Trump's response was, "No. No Puppet, No Puppet. You're the puppet."

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:00 PM

33. I think we should make a point of never forgetting that part of this debacle

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:07 PM

35. Woldn't that be far-left and or alt-left.

I consider my self to be pretty far left of center. Equal pay for equal work, Healthcare for all, $15 Minimum wage, reverse Citizens United, LGBT equality, immigration reform i.e. Dreamers program, etc. So I am confused when you say "the left" because I feel that includes me and many others like me who sincerely feel the Russians and Trump are complicit in usurping our election and Democracy.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #35)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:57 PM

54. You are a true liberal not far left.

I have the exact same positions you have. Maybe the pace of change that I am comfortable with may be a tad lower, but nothing you listed am I opposed to even remotely. I consider myself center-left, with more emphasis on the left part.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:21 PM

38. But, but they were Ideologically Pure!

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:10 PM

45. K&R!

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:07 PM

49. It can be true AND a distraction

Following Mueller's every subpoena, reading conspiracy Twitter, poring over obscure constitutional essays?

It distracts us. Me, too. I have to remind myself that, while interesting, I have absolutely no say in the Russia investigations. I read Spider-Man comic books, too. Same thing, really. Interesting, but I have no say in the plot or outcome.

It distracts us from healthcare "reform." The proposed gutting of the endangered species act. The scrapping of rules set up to protect GLBTQ kids, the oversight of for-profit colleges. Sessions' rollbacks on Obama's fairly mild criminal justice reform. Consent decrees meant to protect minority communities abandoned. Rolling back DUBYA'S regulations, for god's sake.

I could go on all day. It's overwhelming and incredibly depressing, isn't it?

But THOSE subjects are things I MIGHT be able to influence. Discussions with state and local politicians, calls to the national ones (I miss you, Harry Reid!), organizing small actions of resistance among my friends and neighbors. But Russia? Can't control it, can't influence it, gotta let it go, if only for my own sanity.

(But if/when Trump fires Mueller, I'll be the first one in the streets. Hopefully other DUers will be with me, either there or trying to post bail )

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:31 PM

51. Jill Steins lunacy and Gary Johnsons knowledge level

should end 3rd party attempts for a decade or two.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 08:32 PM

55. The executive branch and the feds took it seriously.

Remember all the problems with voter registration rolls during the primaries? There was fear that it was due to a hacking test run.

Inside the Secret Plan to Stop Vladimir Putinís U.S. Election Plot

"With just weeks to go until the vote, the White House cybersecurity team realized there was little it could do to stop a Russian attempt to undermine the credibility of the vote on Election Day, so it shifted into damage-control mode. In late October, the White House distributed its 15-page plan to deal with an Election Day attack to the top cybersecurity officials across the federal government."


http://time.com/4865982/secret-plan-stop-vladimir-putin-election-plot/?utm_campaign=time&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=time_socialflow_twitter

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 10:57 PM

56. I didn't mind Gorby............. but there has NEVER

been a government there that wouldn't cheat in their own favor. Heck, we do too, but not quite as viciously.

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Response to raven mad (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:55 AM

72. We used to, but our government is a great deal more transparent than most, so we cut back.

There are always good people within the government who will leak wrongdoing to the press, and the press is protected by the Constitution. Remember that the next time you blame the media for everything.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:09 AM

75. I never blame the media. I used to be one.

I don't call Faux Snooze media.

And I can certainly find a lot of good folks in both government and media. I don't like "tabloid journalism" - reeks of partisanship. I MISS Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, and their ilk.

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Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:52 PM

60. that's what certain types want. not just of this site but the democratic party

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Response to JI7 (Reply #60)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:26 AM

64. They can huff, they can puff, but they can't blow the Democratic Party down.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:17 AM

65. Some are still talking about "why Hillary lost" as

if it was a remotely legitimate election. That makes my brain ache.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sun Jul 23, 2017, 09:29 AM

66. I think your title is over-stated.

Other than Russian puppet Jill Stein how many other prominent leftie said that? I remember the opposite, Dems railing to high heavens about Russian election interference.

HRC should be president right now, absent Russia hacking!

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Response to lark (Reply #66)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:57 AM

73. And a little help from Comey.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #73)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 01:36 PM

74. Absolutely.

I have heard that the document he saw in the HRC was was fake, planted by russia, but don't know more.

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