If 2018 goes wrong

[SHRED]

My spouse and I may have to sell everything and leave this fascist country.

Only problem is where?
Canada is restricted. Many countries don't want us.

[sunonmars]

1. Ireland or Uk, at least you'll have healthcare.

[Gabi Hayes]

3. Who's gonna let anybody from the pariah nation in?

Some say, I'm not sayin, Canada has already started a solar wall, over by dere

Trump leaked em the plans, along with the nuke codes

[Not Ruth]

20. Plenty of Americans have dual citizenship

[Hortensis]

64. Well, plenty in this case actually means extremely few. Anyway, I don't want

to go live in Denmark permanently even if we find the notion comforting thanks to our Danish DIL. So much to admire, wonderful to visit, lovely if chilly for most of the 4-month warm-enough-to-go-outside season, striking us as miserably dark and cold the rest of the year. (Sorry, Danes, problem's with us--we're from California and getting old, afraid might never acclimate.) It'd be a tad better if we could afford to pay a fortune to live in the warmest areas, instead of retiring where the winds howl off the North Sea, but fat chance of that.

We're just going to stay here and help the Republican Party finish destroying itself. Those considering leaving, though, might want to actually do it before long, just in case a lot more doors to advanced nations start slamming legally shut and the choices dwindle to impoverished, underdeveloped ones.

[OliverQ]

60. Can't get a work visa to Ireland or UK

[Gabi Hayes]

2. Yep:

1933 Enabling Act



FFF Godwin

[Jake Stern]

4. Check if you can claim ancestral citizenship

For example Ireland, Hungary and Italy all have ancestral citizenship programs to varying degrees of descent. If you're Jewish, the spouse, child or grandchild of a Jew you can move to Israel.

Barring that check if your qualifications can score you a work permit in another country or, if retired maybe they offer retiree visas.

[SHRED]

8. One of my grandparents (dad side) were from Holland.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

28. I am part Mexican, Italian, and Slovenian

So it looks like Italy for me or the UK. I could get a job as a Tailor due to my sewing skills and knowledge

[Weekend Warrior]

5. I'm not aware of any place with reasonable standards of living...

who don't have restrictions. Why would restrictions eliminate Canada for you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. If he has a ton of dough he can get an investor visa if he opens up a business in Canada.

[Orrex]

24. That puts you about $2,050,000 ahead of most people

Perhaps, in seeking advice, you should contact some of those people. Rather than being overwhelmed by your many viable options, you can take inspiration from the people who have one choice or fewer.

[SHRED]

29. Oh I'm sorry

If my lifetime of hard work, saving, and staying our of debt offends you.

[SCantiGOP]

30. The threshold for Canada

is about $2mm that you can invest.

[SHRED]

41. Thank you

[Orrex]

34. Your humblebragging doesn't offend me in the slightest.

I'm sorry that my failure to praise you for your fortunate circumstances gave you a sad.

[left-of-center2012]

35. ...

[SHRED]

36. I wasn't bragging

[Orrex]

38. And I want a chocolate sundae.

[SHRED]

40. Call me a liar

That's on you

[Orrex]

42. I'm not calling you a liar. I'm simply don't believe you

It's not up to you to decide whether your humblebrag was a humblebrag. After all, lots of financially secure people believe that they are solely or chiefly responsible for their success, so they feel that they deserve congratulations for it, even (especially) while insisting that they don't.


Good luck in your struggle to survive on enough money to support five families for ten years.

[SHRED]

43. I was responding to the "investment" post

I see now that it was a mistake to reveal our net worth as it has allowed an opening for your nasty assumptions.

Fuck off.

[Orrex]

47. I made no assumptions. I simply responded to your humblebrag

And you responded predictably.


Well done.

[SCantiGOP]

49. SHRED:

Use the Ignore button; I use it a lot lately.

[Dreamer Tatum]

55. It's a mistake to reveal your net worth, period. nt

[AJT]

53. We're in the same boat. About 2 million and no debt.

I would leave, I'm not sure about my husband.
Not everyone who has a nest egg and no debt is a republican. Money has nothing to do with my politics.

[Egnever]

59. Fuck haters

With that net worth you should be able to find something comfortable without destroying your future.

I hope you can find a way to make yourself comfortable.

I am fortunate in that I am first generation of American my father was born in another country and that gives me an out should we continue our downward spiral. It would probably be financially very hard but money is nothing when faced with facism.

Best of luck with your search.

[politicat]

31. Nova Scotia.

http://novascotiaimmigration.com/move-here/entrepreneur/

Look at the entrepreneur listing. It's pretty reasonable. $150K CAD is about $100K USD.

It's cold, but it's not impossible. And you'll have to do something with liquid assets. Sitting on them and doing nothing is bad for the money. It's like manure -- it works best when it's spread around.

[Weekend Warrior]

12. They don't make it a secret.

They want to know if you will have a positive economic impact on their economy. Many places do.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. It's the easiest way to get a visa here.

[Weekend Warrior]

17. Same for many places around the globe with reasonable standards of living. nt.

[BannonsLiver]

6. I'm considering South Africa.

[Aristus]

44. Whew! You know things are bad in this country when South Africa looks like a favorable

alternative.

[BannonsLiver]

46. I've been there a number of times. It's a country with a lot of problems.

Much like this one. I'd encourage people who are able to visit though. It's very much worth the expense and long distance travel. Americans think they walk off the plane and get car jacked, but that's not really the case.

[Aristus]

56. Good to know. Thanks.

[cilla4progress]

9. Mexico

[SHRED]

11. Not a bad idea but it's hot there

[cilla4progress]

13. Yes, but there are mountainous regions

There.
Worth exploring

[SHRED]

16. Good idea.

[dhill926]

21. yep.....

visiting Puerto Vallarta over the holidays....other regions to follow. I do need an airport nearby, with easy travel back to US. But this is all last resort....

[drray23]

14. depends on your age and income

For example, you can retire in costa rica. Lots of american expats, low cost of living and top notch healthcare. They only require that you prove $1000 a month of income to get a permanent retiree visa (pensionado visa). many people make that much with their social security checks.

breakdown of costs:

https://www.internationalliving-magazine.com/retire-to-costa-rica.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIztnxpqyn1QIVkEoNCh3OZgjWEAAYASAAEgJgTvD_BwE

You can live comfortably with $2000 a month.

[underpants]

54. Excellent info

Thanks

[ck4829]

18. Focus on deflating tropes and cliches which give the fascism in our country symbolic authority

They can't arrest us for thinking and non-violent activism... yet. That works for us in our favor.

I've been sending private messages about a group to certain people who I think would be interested, but after the advance with Trumpcare, Lamar Smith's shift on global warming which is all but a call for genocide against groups like indigenous Siberians, continued flirting with Putin, and now the Trump transgender ban; I think it's time to put it all out in the open.

I'm going to be making an announcement later today.

[Not Ruth]

19. Mexico is nice in the winter, no snow to shovel, same time zone

Many, many people live in an RV full time, and drive around Mexico, while still keeping a house in the US for the occasional visit. Tons of blogs and websites devoted to it.

Health care for a couple is only $350/year.

http://hacienda-sol.com/EARL/

[Xolodno]

22. Stay Mobile.

Our retirement plans are to buy an RV and travel, you can take it south to Mexico (just keep up on the drug war so you don't inadvertently travel into a war zone).

2018 I'll still be in the workforce, however, the company I work for is owned by foreign one. I could easily apply and bail to a European country, Australia, Canada, Mexico, etc. Hopefully, I read the tea leaves ahead of time before someone else gets the same idea.

[Vinca]

23. I've got an ace up my sleeve: a Canadian/American husband.

Back when we married in 1973 we decided to live in the U.S. over Canada. I never thought I'd live to regret that decision.

[guillaumeb]

25. Canada requires financial ability, in the form of a waiting job or financial sufficiency.

It also requires fluency in French or English. So if you are actually writing your posts, you are obviously fluent in English. Now all you need is a job or retirement income sufficient that you can live there.

[left-of-center2012]

37. "It also requires fluency in French or English."

Well, that'll keep Trump out.

[guillaumeb]

48. Another reason for the requirement. eom

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Costa Rica. Many patriots realize that if the GOP doesnt hold the criminal accountable, we

are permanently done here, cant be saved.

[avebury]

27. Consider Costa Rica

They like Americans and the cost of living is still decent.

A lot of Central and South American countries view pulling in American retirees as a growth industry for them.

[SCantiGOP]

32. yes to Costa Rica

By far the stablest and most democratic country in the region.
Following a contested Presidential election in 1948, their national hero led an uprising that saw the bloodiest event in their history with 2,000 killed in the civil war. The victorious rebels abolished the military (they still have only a police force) and within a year had drafted a new constitution and held a free and fair election, which the rebel leader won.
Beautiful country, very environmentally conscious, and you can live well on about $25,000/year.

[davsand]

61. Be certain you are ready for the culture shock.

I've been researching for our own escape/retirement, and it does seem like just about everybody I've read has said that there is a pretty big culture shock for American ExPats going to Central American countries. It makes sense that there would be given the average income there is a lot lower than it is in the US. The lifestyle is different, and it probably bears consideration when you decide this stuff.

Something I've been looking at just recently is the US Virgin Islands. It's a US territory, but not part of the US Income tax system, and subject to their leadership decisions rather than the US. Again, you have the whole "tourist money"/ good prospective target image to navigate when you move there, but you don'y even need a passport.

Just my own observation from the reading I've done.


Laura

[avebury]

65. For me the luxury of retirement is downsizing.

I have traveled overseas enough that I think that I could adjust if I decided to move somewhere outside the US. It is a matter of figuring out where I want to land.

[SHRED]

33. Great responses

Thank you

[Javaman]

39. my GF and I are right in the middle of that very plan.

we found a place.

That's all I'll say.

We are going to visit it later this year.

If it's as good as it appears to be.

I will let other people know.

two hints.

it's not in the states but it is in the western hemisphere.

[Snake Plissken]

45. Spain is pretty awesome, I'd move to Barcelona today if I could land a job there.

[SCantiGOP]

51. I have a friend who is Spanish

But he is thinking of retiring to Portugal. Languages are close enough to get by, and he says Portugal is about 25% cheaper and a bit more socially liberal, especially when it comes to drug policy which is important to the old hippie.

[Demsrule86]

50. Maybe it won't go wrong if we support the Democratic Party. The constant criticisms and whining

about the party even here sometimes gets on my nerves ( not saying you...just in general) ...you want to make it better vote for the candidate with the 'D' next to his/her name.

[Fiendish Thingy]

57. I moved to BC in 2012

Canada may not be as restricted as you think. Things have tightened since we immigrated, but they are still seeking and welcoming New Canadians.

Do some research, you may be surprised...

[Hortensis]

62. Is this answer only a vehicle to rail against the U.S.? Canada is restricted.

If you look at a population map, almost all Canadians are clustered along the southern border. Compared to the giant U.S., it's tiny both geographically in practical terms and population-wise--but prosperous. It needs us to provide additional good jobs, etc., and the money those brings in is very important.

But the only immigrants being accepted from our country are those with skills they need. And, definitely not last, there's also plenty of bigotry, nationalism, and xenophobia up there, even if it hasn't burst out in bonfires like down here. Those things are genetically linked and found everywhere people are. The general negativity of your posts is absolutely nothing to what their own nasty right wingers say about us, and the last thing they want is us moving in. After "Mexicans," of course.

[Skittles]

63. fuck that shit

I will stay and FIGHT these fucking fascists

[Shandris]

66. Wait, what? Restricted? Why for?

Incidentally, I hear the wealthy GOP type are heading to South America. Paraguay, I think it was? It was a really odd thing. I'm not rich, so it might be Uruguay instead and I didn't see why, just that there were articles about it. You might consider that if you think you can stomach ex-GOPers.

But what's the deal with Canada?