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Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. GOPers thought they could keep t-rump in check . .
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 09:59 AM
Jul 2017

Majority of the USA's people knew t-rump could not be trusted. We knew he was a vicious con man who only cared about that mean green and had no alliance nor love of country. We knew, but the GOP didn't or worse, didn't care.

GOPers helped him rig the elections. They knew, but the GOP didn't care. They didn't care about our quality of life nor health. They didn't care about democracy, freedom.

GOPers worked with the Russians. Hell, fake news is an extension of the Russian propaganda. GOPers knew and they don't care.

Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
3. That's exactly what the PTB in 1930's Germany said about Hitler...
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jul 2017

they said "We're hiring him."

Perhaps our institutions are strong enough to avoid that outcome. I hope so.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
4. An extension of right wing (Fox) propanganda
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jul 2017

The biggest reason America is in this place now is because right wing propanganda laid the ground work.

First right wing radio lied to millions of Americans.
Then Fox lied to millions of Americans.

Then the Russians realized they too could lie to millions of Americans. And they would get away with it because right wing propaganda had prepared Americans to accept those lies.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. And, first and last, right-wing politicians lie to Americans.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jul 2017

Gotta add that one. For the crooks and extremists who've taken over the GOP, and their agents, it's become all about the power of the vote and getting it by any means.

If a constituent fell starboard off a ship and his vote sailed port, they'd rush to rescue the vote. Multiply that by 200 million registered voters.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
14. And it is not stopping anytime soon
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jul 2017

It will even now increase with Sinclair buying the Tribune and any other media it can get its filthy fascist loving hands on. This is a company that thinks Fox News is too moderate.

All we have is the internet radio and pod casts now to hear left/moderate views. That is why fighting for net neutrality is so important.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
16. We can help stop it. When Price, Toomey, Pence flatly lie - we must call them on it.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 06:24 PM
Jul 2017

When Price, Toomey, Pence flatly lie - we must call them on it.

Every time Price or Toomey or Pence appears in public we must ask them

"Why did you lie about the bill's effect on Medicaid?"

DemoTex

(25,391 posts)
9. No, David. The GOP made a Faustian deal with the Devil.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:23 PM
Jul 2017

What the GOP did is far deadlier than a mere "wager." In fact, it is an age-old story with a tragic ending in every playing of this fools' opera.

Because of the GOP 's deal with Satan, the post-WW1 words of Irish poet W. B. Yeats, again, put a chill down my spine: “Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.”

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1 : 9 King James Version (KJV)

When will they ever learn?

bora13

(860 posts)
13. back in the day
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jul 2017

june of 15

i recall telling some right-wingers i was sitting at a fancy bar with
that t-rump was a sleeper.

first thing that came out of my mouth, and i wasn't 100% sure what i meant.

as of sometime in october 16 i knew what i meant.

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
15. They thought he was Norquist's President with "working digits"
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jul 2017
willing to sign.



Problem is, it doesn't seem to be working that way. Good essay on this (from back in February!) -

<...>

So what went wrong?


The first problem with the Norquist quote was its substantial overstatement of the degree to which the congressional Republican Party was indeed a prolific font of policy-making. Congress in the Obama years was in fact quite unproductive in historical terms, and while Ryan in particular jealously guards his reputation as a self-described "policy guy," he prefers to lead by generating piles of "frameworks" and "summaries" rather than bringing specific legislative language up for votes on the House floor.

<...>

Even if the current Republican Congress were a bit more policy-oriented, however, the Norquist argument would still be deeply flawed as a characterization of how policy change has historically been enacted in the Untied States. There are several good reasons why Congress seldom takes the lead in enacting major legislation without significant presidential involvement. For one thing, some degree of internal disagreement is inevitable even if both congressional chambers are controlled by the same party—and only the president has the standing and capacity to resolve these disputes.

<...>

But Trump is also instinctively cagey, often demonstrating what seems to be a characteristic wariness of committing to specific policy objectives because of a fundamental fear that he's setting himself up for failure. What we've seen so far of the Trump administration also reveals it to be understaffed and inexperienced, with nobody apparently empowered to speak authoritatively for, or negotiate on behalf of, the president.

<...>

For all of Trump's surface boldness and big talk, he has so far been a curiously risk-averse president when it comes to identifying specific policy objectives. But if Trump expects Congress to do the heavy lifting of policy-making and deliver him one bill after another on a platter, he is likely to wind up with few legislative achievements to show for his time in office. If he really does want to sign a lot of major legislation, a president needs a lot more than just the working digits to hold the pen.

http://www.honestgraft.com/2017/02/that-grover-norquist-quote-was-wrong.html


What was good about the above essay was his characterization of Eddie Munster's modus operandi - basically doing nothing but generating a bunch of "frameworks" and "summaries" (that lack any substance) and waving them around. And that's pretty much spot on.

And regarding Drumpf - his idea of a "policy" speech is holding a campaign rally that extols his election "win", trashes his former election opponent (or current staffers who he has had a falling out with), and calls for citizens to engage in illegal and/or unethical behavior, all sprinkled with a few sentences that relate to the actual policy topic.
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