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global1

(25,225 posts)
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:00 PM Jul 2017

Actually I'm Kind Of Comforted That Kelly Will Be Chief Of Staff.....

Close to Trump - he'll be able to monitor the craziness first hand. I've said before the only way to extract Trump from the WH short of impeachment, resignation - is for a 'peaceful military takeover'. Kelly being a General would be the inside man to pull this off - if Trump really goes off the reservation as he gets backed into a corner and tries to start a war to try and bail himself out. I know this is a drastic measure - but it may be the only way to stop this madman.

If I'm not mistaken - in the last week or so - another former military talking head - may have eluded to the same thing.

If anyone remembers - please post a link to that here.

We are now on the precipice of a 'constitutional crisis'(CC). If Trump fires Sessions and goes for Mueller - which it still looks like this is his intention - we will face a 'CC' head on.

He already has Congress -particularly his Party - dysfunctional. He's at war with the Repug Party. From the looks of his Tweets today - I sense that the next thing we'll see him doing is going after the heads of McConnell and Ryan in an attempt to put sycophants in those leadership positions. He can't win fair and square - so we'll be watching him stack the deck.

If you thought this last week was crazy - I believe the real crazy is about to hit us.

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Actually I'm Kind Of Comforted That Kelly Will Be Chief Of Staff..... (Original Post) global1 Jul 2017 OP
Kelly is a notorious shithead. He isn't going to monitor Trump, he is going to ferret out the Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #1
Yup. ananda Jul 2017 #3
I agree, and not to forget he will be part of a White Nationalist Administration. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #14
The question is will Kelly be on board with transferring power to Putin, which is what Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #4
Putin is not an idiot. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #15
Also, after the coup, you'd need to return to democracy somehow Ezior Jul 2017 #5
Kelly Might Start Off With The Will To Kick Ass..... global1 Jul 2017 #6
I'n Speaking To Undoing The Coup We Already Experience Compliments Of Putin & The Russians..... global1 Jul 2017 #7
I have to agree. The GOP abdicated it's responsibilities... LuvLoogie Jul 2017 #8
I have the same theory but.... angrychair Jul 2017 #11
Eugene Robinson has a great take on the craziness Fatemah2774 Jul 2017 #2
No. We do not want a "peaceful military takeover." TrishaJ Jul 2017 #9
Yes. ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 This. What she said. +1 All that stuff. Chellee Jul 2017 #17
A cheetah doesn't change its spots. Kelly can't change crooked Donald. AgadorSparticus Jul 2017 #10
DRUMPF picked him to be a *daddy* figure UTUSN Jul 2017 #12
Remember he brought McMaster in for the NSC BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #13
It's no comfort to me. At this point, it's a HeartachesNhangovers Jul 2017 #16
Anyone who works for Trump is mentally unbalanced flamingdem Jul 2017 #18

Voltaire2

(12,965 posts)
1. Kelly is a notorious shithead. He isn't going to monitor Trump, he is going to ferret out the
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:10 PM
Jul 2017

traitors leaking public information, he is going to kick ass and take names. He was brought in because Twitler is convinced his own people are betraying him and that is why his presidency is a disaster.

The other term for a "peaceful military takeover" is "coup". That is basically when you know your democracy is officially done.

We were close with Alexander Haig, and before him when MacArthur was thinking that perhaps Truman needed to be removed. A military takeover rarely ends well.

Ezior

(505 posts)
5. Also, after the coup, you'd need to return to democracy somehow
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jul 2017

Trump is now at ~35-40% approval. That's a lot. After a coup, Trump approval would probably be higher than it is now.

So unless the military wants to turn the US into a permanent dictatorship, the electorate could possibly re-elect Trump in the first election after a military coup.

I don't see a coup as an option. The problem is with the electorate. Unless somone somehow de-programs the brainwashed masses, bad things will happen again and again.

global1

(25,225 posts)
6. Kelly Might Start Off With The Will To Kick Ass.....
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:27 PM
Jul 2017

but he's now going to get an up close and personal view of Trump. I think he'll quickly learn that Trump is the one that is undermining Trump. Kelly won't be able to control Trump. Just look at what happened this a.m. after Kelly was pegged for this post. Trump went on a tweeting storm and the essence of his tweets are to change the rules - that's the only way he can win. Kelly won't be able to stop that - and he'll quickly learn that Trump is his own worst enemy.

Kelly is a patriot. He puts country before Party or even Trump. I think that Kelly has all the best intentions - but - as we've learned in these last 6 months - Trump can't even be reigned in by his family.

Washington is Washington. I personally believe that the leaking of public info is just par for the course in D.C. I also think that Trump is the paranoiac (the Mooch's label for Priebus). Trump is using the specter of leaks in a fake news sort of way to make himself look like the victim.

If there are leaks - I don't think they are coming from traitors - but from patriots that clearly know that Trump is a danger to our country.

global1

(25,225 posts)
7. I'n Speaking To Undoing The Coup We Already Experience Compliments Of Putin & The Russians.....
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jul 2017

J happen to believe that we are in the midst of a coup that hit us back on election day in November.

LuvLoogie

(6,935 posts)
8. I have to agree. The GOP abdicated it's responsibilities...
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jul 2017

to the Constitution. In doing so, they have left it vulnerable to this. There are opposing factions in the military as well. Some are loyal to the Constitution, others to power.

The self-absorbed evil of Ryan and McConnell need a counter. They were settiing up the dominoes, but McCain Set up their set-up. Kinda Snape-like.

He bought America some time. Let's see if the rank and file GOP come to their senses, oust their leadership and become statesmen. I doubt it, though. Too many ran on undermining, dismantling, reducing government. The Russians are just a means to an end.

angrychair

(8,684 posts)
11. I have the same theory but....
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jul 2017

To be honest a we are not a small to medium size, humongous country.

This is a large country with a diverse population.
Even if the entire military was on the side of the coup it would be still be impossible to maintain actual control over every state.
No coup would have total control over the military, in even in Cult45's case it would be a small fraction. States already have functioning governments (well most do) and functioning economies (well most do) meaning that someone taking over D.C. Is going to have ZERO impact on me here in Washington state as an example.
Some states would form new republics (like WA, CA, OR, HI and AK) and that would create stability for their respective region.

Poorer states (republicans) with bad state government (republicans) would have a much hard time and likely submit to a promise to continue being taken care of by a dictator or military regime.

Fatemah2774

(245 posts)
2. Eugene Robinson has a great take on the craziness
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:17 PM
Jul 2017

And I agree...we have seen incompetence, sgupidity, injustice, inanity, lack of honor or decency and a complete lack of protocol, American history, global affairs and a respect for criminal behavior, violence and hatred.

But this is only the beginning. We are to witness not only more of the same but even more than that.

TrishaJ

(797 posts)
9. No. We do not want a "peaceful military takeover."
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:51 PM
Jul 2017

We want the system to work as designed. Much better for either Congress to put limits on his power or at best, remove him from office.

Chellee

(2,091 posts)
17. Yes. ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 This. What she said. +1 All that stuff.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 07:19 PM
Jul 2017

No coups. Coups are bad.

I can't believe this has to be said.

UTUSN

(70,649 posts)
12. DRUMPF picked him to be a *daddy* figure
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:48 PM
Jul 2017

Like with his other fetishes, KELLY will last until DRUMPF gets bored (FAST) and moves into a teen rebellious phase.

BumRushDaShow

(128,517 posts)
13. Remember he brought McMaster in for the NSC
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jul 2017

to try to bring "order" and the guy got hopelessly lost in the madness.

He's not going to be able to touch Eddie Munster or Turtle unless and until we get closer to the 2018 election (and he is still around), where he could encourage his "base" to primary them.

No one will "tame" Drumpf.

16. It's no comfort to me. At this point, it's a
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jul 2017

reasonable assumption that if you are willing to work for trump, that there's something seriously wrong with you.

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