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Close to Trump - he'll be able to monitor the craziness first hand. I've said before the only way to extract Trump from the WH short of impeachment, resignation - is for a 'peaceful military takeover'. Kelly being a General would be the inside man to pull this off - if Trump really goes off the reservation as he gets backed into a corner and tries to start a war to try and bail himself out. I know this is a drastic measure - but it may be the only way to stop this madman.
If I'm not mistaken - in the last week or so - another former military talking head - may have eluded to the same thing.
If anyone remembers - please post a link to that here.
We are now on the precipice of a 'constitutional crisis'(CC). If Trump fires Sessions and goes for Mueller - which it still looks like this is his intention - we will face a 'CC' head on.
He already has Congress -particularly his Party - dysfunctional. He's at war with the Repug Party. From the looks of his Tweets today - I sense that the next thing we'll see him doing is going after the heads of McConnell and Ryan in an attempt to put sycophants in those leadership positions. He can't win fair and square - so we'll be watching him stack the deck.
If you thought this last week was crazy - I believe the real crazy is about to hit us.
Voltaire2
(12,965 posts)traitors leaking public information, he is going to kick ass and take names. He was brought in because Twitler is convinced his own people are betraying him and that is why his presidency is a disaster.
The other term for a "peaceful military takeover" is "coup". That is basically when you know your democracy is officially done.
We were close with Alexander Haig, and before him when MacArthur was thinking that perhaps Truman needed to be removed. A military takeover rarely ends well.
Kelly is a 45 sycophant.
OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)happens next.
Voltaire2
(12,965 posts)There will not be anything overt that will compel action.
Ezior
(505 posts)Trump is now at ~35-40% approval. That's a lot. After a coup, Trump approval would probably be higher than it is now.
So unless the military wants to turn the US into a permanent dictatorship, the electorate could possibly re-elect Trump in the first election after a military coup.
I don't see a coup as an option. The problem is with the electorate. Unless somone somehow de-programs the brainwashed masses, bad things will happen again and again.
global1
(25,225 posts)but he's now going to get an up close and personal view of Trump. I think he'll quickly learn that Trump is the one that is undermining Trump. Kelly won't be able to control Trump. Just look at what happened this a.m. after Kelly was pegged for this post. Trump went on a tweeting storm and the essence of his tweets are to change the rules - that's the only way he can win. Kelly won't be able to stop that - and he'll quickly learn that Trump is his own worst enemy.
Kelly is a patriot. He puts country before Party or even Trump. I think that Kelly has all the best intentions - but - as we've learned in these last 6 months - Trump can't even be reigned in by his family.
Washington is Washington. I personally believe that the leaking of public info is just par for the course in D.C. I also think that Trump is the paranoiac (the Mooch's label for Priebus). Trump is using the specter of leaks in a fake news sort of way to make himself look like the victim.
If there are leaks - I don't think they are coming from traitors - but from patriots that clearly know that Trump is a danger to our country.
global1
(25,225 posts)J happen to believe that we are in the midst of a coup that hit us back on election day in November.
LuvLoogie
(6,935 posts)to the Constitution. In doing so, they have left it vulnerable to this. There are opposing factions in the military as well. Some are loyal to the Constitution, others to power.
The self-absorbed evil of Ryan and McConnell need a counter. They were settiing up the dominoes, but McCain Set up their set-up. Kinda Snape-like.
He bought America some time. Let's see if the rank and file GOP come to their senses, oust their leadership and become statesmen. I doubt it, though. Too many ran on undermining, dismantling, reducing government. The Russians are just a means to an end.
angrychair
(8,684 posts)To be honest a we are not a small to medium size, humongous country.
This is a large country with a diverse population.
Even if the entire military was on the side of the coup it would be still be impossible to maintain actual control over every state.
No coup would have total control over the military, in even in Cult45's case it would be a small fraction. States already have functioning governments (well most do) and functioning economies (well most do) meaning that someone taking over D.C. Is going to have ZERO impact on me here in Washington state as an example.
Some states would form new republics (like WA, CA, OR, HI and AK) and that would create stability for their respective region.
Poorer states (republicans) with bad state government (republicans) would have a much hard time and likely submit to a promise to continue being taken care of by a dictator or military regime.
Fatemah2774
(245 posts)And I agree...we have seen incompetence, sgupidity, injustice, inanity, lack of honor or decency and a complete lack of protocol, American history, global affairs and a respect for criminal behavior, violence and hatred.
But this is only the beginning. We are to witness not only more of the same but even more than that.
TrishaJ
(797 posts)We want the system to work as designed. Much better for either Congress to put limits on his power or at best, remove him from office.
Chellee
(2,091 posts)No coups. Coups are bad.
I can't believe this has to be said.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)I give Kelly 6 months.
UTUSN
(70,649 posts)Like with his other fetishes, KELLY will last until DRUMPF gets bored (FAST) and moves into a teen rebellious phase.
BumRushDaShow
(128,517 posts)to try to bring "order" and the guy got hopelessly lost in the madness.
He's not going to be able to touch Eddie Munster or Turtle unless and until we get closer to the 2018 election (and he is still around), where he could encourage his "base" to primary them.
No one will "tame" Drumpf.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)reasonable assumption that if you are willing to work for trump, that there's something seriously wrong with you.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)and capable of doing great harm.