If we unfairly denigrate Democratic leaders, such as Thom

[Akamai]

Hartmann, the most popular progressive radio personality, we are making our sides weaker and engaging in circular firing squad.

We are also violating DU Terms of Service such as:

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No divisive group attacks

Do not smear, insult, vilify, bait, maliciously caricature, or give disrespectful nicknames to any groups of people that are part of the Democratic coalition, or that hold viewpoints commonly held by Democrats, or that support particular Democratic public figures. Do not imply that they are fake Democrats, fake progressives, conservatives, right-wingers, Republicans, or the like.

Why we have this rule: Substantive disagreement on important issues is always welcome on this website, but our members should not be made to feel unwelcome simply because they hold a different point of view. Democratic Underground welcomes all people who are members of the Democratic coalition, including the full range of center-to-left viewpoints and supporters of all Democratic public figures.


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The personal attacks against Thom clearly violate the above guidelines and I look forward to DU administrators enforcing the common sense guidelines to promote civility and help bring about a stronger Democratic party.

[boston bean]

1. Thom Hartmann is not a Democratic Leader. LOL

[Freethinker65]

3. +1000

[George II]

16. That was my very first thought. "Democratic Leader"?

[NurseJackie]

22. Oh good lord! HWGA!

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. Exactly...he's Putinite trash, bought and paid for by the Russian state propaganda apparatus

[R B Garr]

51. Right, he's a Russian TV host.

[Blue_true]

90. Bravo. I don't know where the poster got that claim. nt

[Me.]

101. Right On The Bean With That!

[elehhhhna]

130. A pundit is not a leader

But more like a repeater. Maybe the Republicans take their marching orders from whatever dip shit shows up on the radio dial but we don't.

[scheming daemons]

2. If we unfairly denigrate REAL Democratic leaders, such as Kamala Harris...

.....


If Thom doesn't want to get "denigrated", he should quit touting the RT/Sputnik/Zerohedge Putin line.

[Freethinker65]

4. +1000

[bluepen]

5. +1

[MrsCoffee]

8. + 1

[NurseJackie]

25. Bingo!

[Maven]

35. +1

[uponit7771]

61. +1

[obnoxiousdrunk]

86. +1. n/t

[NightWatcher]

6. A Pro-Thom post every day? Are you paid by RT as well? A bot?

Thom's not a democratic figure that is protected by the TOS here. Your repetitive posts about him are suspicious at best.

HE GETS PAID BY PUTIN'S STATE RUN PROPAGANDA MEDIA. HE'S NO FRIEND OF OURS.

[Miles Archer]

45. I've stayed out of the daily discussion, but...

...if I were going to post my thoughts on the subject, you could very well turn around and sue me for plagiarism. We're on the same page here.

I've seen the "what seems like daily" pro-Hartmann posts, and largely ignore them.

I choose to not get my news from RT. End of story.

[NurseJackie]

126. Someone jokingly suggested that the OP may actually be Hartmann himself....

... but now that I think about it, I wonder if that person was really joking.

[MrsCoffee]

7. For crying out loud, give it up already.

You are violating the terms yourself right now. You should hop off that high horse and stop putting Hartmann on a pedestal. He is a nobody who collects a check from Putin's propaganda machine.

He is not a Democratic leader, he is merely a public media personality who is open to criticism here. If you want the admins input, you should address that in the ATA forum instead of embarrassing both yourself and him.

[moonscape]

9. What the heck is this flooding of posts/threads about him?

It's getting silly.

[Orrex]

10. Thom Hartman has perfected cold fusion and cured psoriasis

[ProfessorGAC]

34. In His Spare Time, No Less

Then he got back to really big issues.

[berni_mccoy]

11. It's because Thom has had Bernie on his show and has been supportive of Bernie for years

Many of the Hillary Supporters focus on that. However, once Hillary won the Primary, Thom supported her. He was even supporting her before the primary was over, so not sure why there is so much hate here for him.

Thom has also been a long-time member of DU. So attacks against him could be considered uncivil attacks against other DUers.

[boston bean]

19. His being part of a Russia propaganda outlet has much to do with it.

[berni_mccoy]

24. No one here was complaining about that last year when Thom was supporting Hillary

Thom's show is syndicated and RT is one of the channels. Trying to imply he's in cahoots with the Russians against Hillary is FUD.

[Weekend Warrior]

119. Yeah. That's it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017320969

[Hekate]

140. Well now that's sure enlightening. Thanks. nt

[R B Garr]

148. That nasty divisiveness is what served Putin's purpose.

There is no coming back from that.

[pnwmom]

147. I posted numerous times that people shouldn't post RT, and why. So you can't say "no one."

And I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Thom has a choice. He doesn't have to sell his syndicated show to RT, but he does. He's lending his name and viewership to RT.

[Plucketeer]

69. WHOA!!!

This would explain A LOT! I never have put two 'n two twogether! See, every time I listen to Thom, I have this intense craving for a bowl of Borscht and a bottle of cheap vodka. DAMN you, Thom Hartmann! Wonder how often Putin dials him up to give instructions?

DU is eating itself. The reason I once found here has turned to a Jim Jones mindset. You'll forgive me if I pass on that cup of kool-ade.

[PatSeg]

74. I love Thom Hartmann

I started listening to his radio show years ago and found him to be intelligent and reasonable. I just wish he would separate himself from RT. He is still a great progressive voice, but I will not watch RT.

[nini]

80. so does Stephanie Miller and she's not talking the shit Hartman is

ANYONE who is sympathetic to anything Russian right now after recent events is suspect to me

[burrowowl]

158. Right on!

[Adrahil]

91. I don't give a shit that Hartmann supported Sanders.

I do give a shit that he is willing to take Putin's paycheck. And if I get hidden for that, then there is something very wrong.

[berni_mccoy]

95. If people here are hung on on the fact that his show is syndicated on RT, then

the DNC has as little hope as the GOP.

[Adrahil]

96. What part of "paid by Putin" do you not object to?

FFS man, the whole purpose of RT is manipulate US opinion to Moscow's advantage? RT America is NOT a private Russian venture, it's a Russian government propaganda tool. Can you not see it?

[JHan]

97. What? lol lol lol lol

[muriel_volestrangler]

115. And it's made in the RT studios - don't forget that

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBigPictureRT/about

which will be why they boast about winning awards for it:

"It’s a great honor for The Big Picture team to win these awards. Both shows that won were hour-long conversations on two very important issues facing our country: climate change and wealth inequality. More in-depth discussion needs to be had on these issues from the corporate run mainstream media," Hartmann said.

https://www.rt.com/about-us/press-releases/annual-telly-awards-winners/

And why "RT" appears in the user name used for it on YouTube. And why 'RT' and its chyron are on all the YouTube videos of it.

It seems ironic for someone with a signature depicting Trump as a Russian to be complaining about people pointing out Hartmann's business relationship with the Russian state TV company.

[emulatorloo]

150. Nope. For years I've been suggesting to Thom's intern that Thom should disassociate with RT

because it isn't good for his reputation.

I've been giving him solid recommendations about how to produce the show inexpensively with great production values. And recommended alternative ways to distribute such as YouTube. That's been very successful for the TYT and would no doubt be successful for Thom.

Of course, Thom's intern never replies. (Does not reply to any DU'er btw)

Your theory is incorrect and non-factual, and smearing your fellow DU'ers the way you've done is uncivil. You're also refighting the primary in the very worst way. I supporter Bernie in the primary so your assertions are way off base.

[karynnj]

13. He is not a Democratic leader

He has a radio show, leans left, but radio personalities aRe NOT our leaders.

[tazkcmo]

14. He won?

And I didn't even know he was a candidate for something! Gratz Thom! Your first legaslative item should be to join us little people and drop the "h". The optics scream "entitled"!

[MineralMan]

15. I think I already read this thread a couple of times.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.

[MrsCoffee]

18. Multiple baiting expeditions.

[Fla Dem]

17. DU'ers are entitled to their own opinions.

Stop telling DU'ers what they can and cannot do. I personally do not like TH. I think he is an egotistical showman whose main mission in life is selling his books and proving how intelligent he is. I do not like that he's broadcasting on RT. Doesn't matter if he is paying them for the air time, or they are paying him. RT is a Russian propaganda outlet and his presence only enhances their credibility.

Maybe if you'd stop bringing the subject up, people would stop making comments about him. Since Monday you've made over 20 posts about TH. I would call that obsessive and provocative.

But in the end, people get to make their own decisions on who they like or dislike.

[ecstatic]

20. +1. nt

[HopeAgain]

105. This.

[MineralMan]

21. Since you are not a DU Administrator

and this thread has to do with moderation, perhaps it would be better posted in the Ask the Adminstrators forum. I'm sure they'll have an answer for you in due time.

[Akamai]

26. Thank you for your advice! I just followed up on it.

I didn't know that should have been the first step.

[FSogol]

39. LOL, the current wait time is 1.5 months

[MineralMan]

47. Shh...quiet, you....

[Akamai]

54. Thanks for your info! I'm glad I did it both ways then -- here in the

forum and also to the administrators.

The vilification of Bernie Sanders lasted far too long and disheartened many of his supporters while emboldening his detractors.

[Fresh_Start]

64. The vilification of Hillary Clinton lasted far too long and disheartened many of her supporters

while emboldening her detractors AND resulted in the election of Donald Trump.

[mcar]

75. Good fix

[Hekate]

142. Holy crap, MM...

He just got FFRd. Just a little vacay to cool off.

Now about those people demanding a military coup d'etat in the US...

[MineralMan]

151. Well...OK, then.

Too many removed posts, I guess.

[leftynyc]

23. Just because YOU consider him a "leader"

doesn't mean the rest of us agree.

[berni_mccoy]

29. He's not the only one. Like it or not, Thom is a Democratic Public Figure.

[Cary]

58. He's fair game

[leftynyc]

81. Spare me

98% of Democrats never heard of him. And plenty of the rest don't respect anyone paid by RT. Sell it to someone who cares.

[Foamfollower]

102. Bullshit! Hartmann is a media figure who takes a paycheck from Valdimir Putin.

Fuck Russian propagandists like Hartmann.

[Squinch]

131. LOL. Sorry. Our tent just really isn't big enough for Russia Times.

[pnwmom]

143. He's said he isn't a Democrat, so he's not a Democratic leader. nt

[BannonsLiver]

44. +1, there's a real "hard sell" going on this week with Hartmann

I feel like someone is trying to sell me life insurance or a time share. It's quite bizarre.

[leftynyc]

83. How ANYONE here can respect

anyone who collects a check from RT is beyond me. He's discredited himself and to call someone who more than 95% of Democrats never heard of a leader is imbecilic.

[Hekate]

152. That, and the notion of "the generals" overthrowing Trump. WTH is going on here? nt

[PragmaticLiberal]

27. OK. Now this is just getting sad.

We get it. You like/respect Thom. Nothing wrong with that.

Obviously, some people disagree with you...and THAT'S OK too.

No need to create thread after thread basically repeating yourself.

[NurseJackie]

33. Worse than "sad" ... it's intentional, and with a specific goal.

(And I'll just leave it at that.)

[bluepen]

42. Exactly. So obvious what's going on here.

[Akamai]

36. I am concerned about the unfair vilification of Thom Hartmann and the

unsupported attacks on his character. Sure reminds me of the earlier attacks on Bernie Sanders, some of which the DU administrators here said were also inappropriate.

[George II]

98. I haven't seen any attacks on Hartmann's character here, can you point me to one? Thanks.

[kacekwl]

123. All those that complain about him taking a paycheck from Putin

are attacking his character. I don't get all the grief regarding Hartmann. I listen to him about 45 min a day and have for about 6-7 years and don't recall a time he was "shilling" for Russia. Don't always agree with him but so what.

[Squinch]

132. If complaints about him taking a paycheck from Putin bother him, he should stop taking a paycheck

from Putin.

[George II]

149. That's not attacking his character at all.

[kacekwl]

155. Perhaps you should read some of the responses

above. Not only character attacks but questioning his patriotism. I still don't get it.

[uponit7771]

63. +1

[Funtatlaguy]

28. Someone please explain the whole RT thing to me please.

Is it correct that his show is carried on RT?
But, that is just one media outlet where it is carried, correct?
Have people noticed a change in the show since it started airing on RT?

[berni_mccoy]

31. It's complete FUD and a b.s. attack on Thom. His show has been syndicated for a long time

and was on RT for more than a year before the election. No one complained about this when Thom shifted his support for Hillary even before the Primary was over.

[NurseJackie]

37. "It's complete FUD and a b.s. attack on Thom." --- LOL! No it's not.

The full extent, and consequences of Russian election tampering and coordinating with the Trump campaign wasn't yet obvious. At that point in time, RT was just a joke... a punch-line... a gadfly. We rolled our eyes and chuckled at Hartmann... wondering what he was thinking, why the lack of judgement, why the low standards, etc.

His show has been syndicated for a long time... blah-blah-blah...

Irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Now we know better. Now we know the consequences. Now we know what we're dealing with and how far they're actually willing to go.

The "attack on Thom" isn't BS... but the defense certainly is.

[berni_mccoy]

50. Keep digging on that...

Maybe you'll dig all the way to Russia.

[NurseJackie]

53. LOL! (That's not how it works!)

[berni_mccoy]

57. .

[NurseJackie]

62. LOL!

[BannonsLiver]

46. He's on salary from RT

[uponit7771]

66. He works for a Russian state propaganda outlet, the US IC believe the Russians interfered with US ..

... elections

[SunSeeker]

73. I suggest you read this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9435006

[Coventina]

30. *yawn*

ETA: Dupe.

[dembotoz]

32. So much for big tent include mm in this

Maybe we need an emoticon for circular firing squad
Du sure loves to do it

[FSogol]

38. Translation: I want to alert on everyone who scoffs at my favorite Russian Puppet.

Thom Hartman isn't a Democratic Leader or even a credible pundit.

[NurseJackie]

99. Looks like it's going to be a while before the OP alerts on anything...

... or before he even posts another one of these divisive threads. That user may or may not be allowed to return, but for now, it appears that someone has been sent to stand the corner to think about what they've done.

[FSogol]

100. He must have bashed the heck out of the alert button on behalf of Thom. n/t

[Bradshaw3]

125. Since I'm new here just wondering

how it is you know this. Is there a list or something where this info is published?

[NurseJackie]

127. Hi!

Each user has a visible public "profile" page.

[Bradshaw3]

154. OK thanks

[Maven]

40. Stop trying to make RT happen

It's not going to happen

[bluepen]

43. Lol! :)

[uponit7771]

67. +1

[dawg]

153. That's so fetch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Why is there a proliferation of Thom Hartmann threads all of a sudden ?

[leftstreet]

92. There isn't. Just a couple. n/t

[Squinch]

133. Because one poster keeps starting them.

[hatrack]

49. I wasn't aware he held elected office . . . .

Which is pretty much required if you're branding yourself as a "Democratic leader".

[get the red out]

52. Someone stating why they don't listen to him

Isn't denigrating him.

[Foamfollower]

55. Hartmann is NOT a "Democratic Leader" by any sense of the term

Please, just stop this nonsense support of a Putin Puppet on this Democratic site.

[BainsBane]

56. He's a media personality, not a party leader

What an absurd claim.

[NurseJackie]

68. "Seems pretty clear to me." LOL

"Seems pretty clear to me."

Yes it does. It most certainly does. (But not in the way you think.)

[LanternWaste]

70. The unashamed worship of sacred cows are pretty clear as well.

"Seems pretty clear to me..."

The unashamed worship of sacred cows are pretty clear as well. However, I completely understand our biases will often do their utmost to defend these cows from criticism, and pretend that criticism is against the rules.

[BainsBane]

76. He isn't a group

He's one man. How do you not know the difference between one man and a group?

Your admiration for autocracy is touching, but we are still trying to maintain a democratic system in this country. Yes, it's a struggle, but hell will freeze over before I put any one person, no matter how wealthy or popular, above the rights of citizens, and there is absolutely nothing in TOS that enforces obedience to the media.

This is fucking bizarre.

[DesertRat]

110. +1000

[Cary]

60. Thanks for highlighting Thom Hartmann's Russia Today connection for me

I was totally unaware that he was on Putin's payroll.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[Historic NY]

65. Leader, WTF did you get that..

he toots his own horn on RT to make a living.

[OnDoutside]

71. The Russian State interfered with the US Election. The Russian State funds RT. RT pays Hartmann.

This isn't difficult.

Let Hartmann leave RT and apologise for being associated with the Enemy of the USA, then you can have the conversation.

[nini]

84. It does seem to be difficult for some doesn't it?

We've definitely moved into total bizarro world.

[OnDoutside]

85. Yes, the world of "But, but" ...

[stevenleser]

72. So by that interpretation, are attacks on me against the TOS?

I'm most curious to hear this since folks who tend to be fans of Tom are folks who have tended to attack me.

[BainsBane]

77. I guess you need to start showing some love for Pootie, Steve

You're just not measuring up.

[stevenleser]

94. Then I am in trouble because I can't stand uncle Vlad.

[mcar]

78. Good question!

Really good question. I eagerly await the responses.

[BannonsLiver]

89. You may be waiting for quite a while for an answer on that query.

[R B Garr]

107. Indeed

[Scruffy1]

79. I"ll file this under CS.

He is not a leader, but a radio guy. He makes his living selling books and advertising on his shows. this is all fine with me and I don't care if he works with RT, after all he wants to make a living. The real leaders are the people who volunteer to do the phone calls andd the canvasses. The ones who talk to their friends and neighbors and are respected in their community. Everyone is looking for a quick cure for Democratic failure. There is no panancea. it will happen one vote at a time. House by house, block by block, city by city, county by county and state by state. People like Hartmann are only preaching to the choir anyhow.

[BainsBane]

111. Well said

[nini]

82. Leader??

Really?????


Is Stephanie Miller ad Democratic LEADER too? We must have different understandings of the word Leader


Damn..this one is quite the stretch.

[betsuni]

87. OPERATION COUNTEROFFENSIVE!

We certainly don't want to make our sides weaker.

[BainsBane]

109. ..

Though Shalt not Take thy Rodent's name in vain!

[Adrahil]

88. If "Democratic Leaders" are working for Vladimir Putin, we're fucked.

Stop making excuses for this dope. He is willing to take that Russian paycheck after all they have done and are doing to fuck us over. WTF is wrong with him?

[judesedit]

93. People please, don't get so wrapped up in this crap. It can be trolls or bots

working you up, keeping you distracted. We have to stick together on the important things if we want to accomplish anything. Just like the election was stolen under our noses because we were busy listening to bullshit. Use your time and energy to stick to the issues that need fixing. Treat the information you get from any source as a clue to help you get more information to use to help us get out of this very real American tragedy that's happening right now. You know what they say about opinions. Please ignore the negative comments, stay focused, and stick together. We have a duty to make things right for the future of our children/grandchildren, this country and the world. Thank you very much.

[Iggo]

103. Thom Hartmann is a Democratic Leader?

No.

[Binkie The Clown]

104. Like clockwork. Any thread that says "don't speak ill of fellow progressives"...

will be met by a flood of replies speaking ill of fellow progressives.

Some people, (like Trump, for example) can't resist the opportunity to tell somebody else they are wrong.

But then, I suppose that's what the Internet is really all about, isn't it? People telling each other they are wrong.

[Fresh_Start]

108. Lets be honest...most threads that say don't speak ill of fellow progressives

is actually saying don't speak ill of my favored progressives while not recognizing that those favored progressives are speaking ill of other progressives or the poster conveniently doesn't recognize other democratic leaders as progressives as equally deserving of 'don't speak ill of'

[Blue Ridge Virginia]

135. some people seem to think the Clinton/Sanders primary wars were their "greatest hits"

to which the rest of us must be subjected forever and a day. Added a couple dozen to the ignore list thanks to this thread.

[ucrdem]

106. now this

[Bradical79]

112. He works for the Russian government

And they attacked our country and party directly. Don't tell peoole on a Democratic party forum that such a person is a Democratic leader. Really he would mostly fly under the radar if you didn't force him into every single thread you post in. You're intentionally baiting and disrupting conversation trying to get people to watch a Russian propaganda channel.

If you think responding to your dishonest posts promoting a man supporting Russian propaganda is a violation of the TOS, then take it up with them directly. There's an entire sub-forum for that. Otherwise you're violating the TOS yourself.

[MadCrow]

113. I have had it.

I have followed Thom Hartmann for years because he was the only figure on the radio that had views similar to my own. It was through his program that I first became aware of Bernie Sanders. I find Thom to be an intelligent and excellent spokesman for the overall Democratic point of view. During the entire campaign he did not denigrate Hillary.although he was openly for Bernie as was I. This divisiveness will cause hard feelings within DU and the Democratic Party. It is past time to move on, and look to the future. Much more of this intercinine fighting and I for one will find another forum that is more inclusive to my sentiments and probably to many others as well.

[LongTomH]

121. +1 Thank you for your post!

I follow Thom Hartmann here and on YouTube. I usually find myself in agreement with his views; but, then I'm a 'leftie.'

[Squinch]

129. It is past time for Thom to drop his RT backing if he wants to be taken seriously as someone

with the best interests of the US at heart.

This isn't divisiveness. Anyone with a brain mistrusts Russia Times at this point. Why doesn't Thom?

[LexVegas]

114. Who?

[Weekend Warrior]

116. I reserve the right to denigrate anyone.....

giving legitimacy to Russian State Run Media.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

117. Again?

Also, fuck Thom Hartman.

[MineralMan]

122. Unfortunately, the OP can't reply

at this time.

[emulatorloo]

139. Will no doubt need start another nonsensical Flamebait thread.

"If we unfairly denigrate Democratic leaders, such as Katy Perry" something something something

[JHB]

118. Except Thom isn't a "Democratic leader". A "liberal voice", sure, but...

...I'm a little perplexed as to how he can be characterized as a party leader.

[Weekend Warrior]

120. Eye Opener

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511797229

[The Polack MSgt]

136. Wow that was a blast from the past

I wanna wash my eyes out now.

Reading that thread with the knowledge of what August 2017 looks like, I honestly shook with anger.

[Weekend Warrior]

141. A poster up-thread mentioned Thom was viewed much differently here as early as last year.

I didn't have much of a reference point so did a search. What a transformation this place seems to have made. Not when it comes to Thom but to posters in general.

[R B Garr]

146. Wow, that is just nasty, but it sure explains the divisiveness that Putin

was harvesting, and that is what Hartmann provided. Now look what we have.

[Gothmog]

124. If you are being paid by the Russians and are on RT, then you are not a source I want to trust

The Russians are not our friends and RT is an arm of the Russian govt. I do not want to rely on sources that are controlled or related to the Russian government

[Squinch]

128. Really, this is too obvious. Thom is a participant in RT. That means he is not trustworthy.

If he wants to be trusted, he should find another outlet.

The end.

[JustAnotherGen]

134. He's not a Democratic leader!

He's a talking head. Same answer as yesterday.

from his wiki:

Thomas Carl "Thom" Hartmann (/tɑːmˈhɑːrtmən/; born May 7, 1951) is an American radio host, author, former psychotherapist,[2] businessman, and progressive political commentator. Hartmann has hosted a nationally syndicated radio show, The Thom Hartmann Program, since 2003 and a nightly television show, The Big Picture, since 2008.

He's never held office.
He's not running for office as a Democratic.

Also from his wiki:

Hartmann is considered to have progressive/liberal politics (although he describes himself as part of the radical middle).[36] He is the author of numerous books, including Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights, in which he argues that the 1886 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company (118 U.S. 394) did not actually grant corporate personhood, and that this doctrine derives from a mistaken interpretation of a Supreme Court clerk's notes. Hartmann considers this a clear contradiction of the intent of the Founding Fathers of the United States

Why doesn't he describe himself as a member of the Democratic Party?

[emulatorloo]

137. Talking heads aren't "Democratic Leaders" and the TOS doesn't cover talking heads

But even if it did, constructive criticism is encouraged here. There are no sacred cows on DU. Nor is DU a fan club.

Bottom line endless posts of yours are nothing but Flamebait designed to get DU's progressive members at each other's throats over meaningless stupidity. You've got your recs and lots of attention. Time to knock it off.

[pnwmom]

144. And that goes double for talking heads who aren't Democrats! nt

[Lee-Lee]

138. I don't think you understand what leadership is

It is what leaders do.

Political punditry and infotainment is not leadership.

[hrmjustin]

145. What makes him a Democratic Party leader? Nothing! n/t.

[Stand and Fight]

156. Thom Hartmann is not, and never has been, a Democratic leader. Not even a thought leader. Stop it.

[burrowowl]

157. I agree!

I am tired of senseless attacks against Thom, Bernie, Harris, etc.