Charles freaking Krauthammer said this tonight....

[scheming daemons]

“What is shocking is that the President of the United States did not have the instinctive, reflexive automatic response we would expect of any American leader, and what we saw across the spectrum in American leadership, and among the American populace in being utterly revolted by these right-wing, white supremacist, Neo-Nazi groups. And that the President did not do what was just absolutely natural, that’s what makes it a story.”

Krauthammer is the freaking angel of death, and even HE sees it.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/krauthammer-on-trumps-charlottesville-response-not-a-media-story-this-is-a-presidential-story/

[Solly Mack]

1. But Trump did do what was natural - for him.

That is who Trump is.

Not denouncing right-wing, white supremacist, Neo-Nazi groups is who Trump is - that is what's natural for him.

[panader0]

2. CK said it right-"instinctive, reflexive, automatic response"

When a guy like Krauthammer is correct, you know how far this
country has slipped....

[sarah FAILIN]

4. Krauthammer is one I kinda like

I feel like when they screw up, he admits it.

I also admire his perseverance in overcoming his injuries to continue his education and become a successful person when he could have just stayed in bed. I shamed my hubby something fierce when he made fun of his breathing once, lol. He had no idea about his condition and felt like a toad when he found it out.

[longship]

22. That's right. He got through Harvard Med School while paralyzed!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. That's it, exactly.

You shouldn't even have to think about what to say when you're in a position to call out fucking Nazis! It's not a gray area; outrage should be honest and genuine and automatic - and immediate. McAuliffe's response is what you'd expect a leader to say. Trump's response is what you'd expect from someone who either doesn't really disapprove, or who cares more about what some of his supporters might expect. I hate to say it, but Krauthammer is absolutely right.

[TexasBushwhacker]

8. Well, both statements were prepared by someone else.

The first one used the word "egregious" and I doubt that's in Trump's 200 word vocabulary.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Probably true. I'm surprised he even pronounced it correctly.

If he'd prepared that statement himself the word would have been "bad" or maybe "sad."

[still_one]

5. Krauthammer is a wierd bird. He is hard right on most things, but not everything. He is a

is a supporter of abortion legalization but opposes euthanasia, an opponent of capital punishment; an intelligent design critic, and an advocate for the scientific consensus on evolution, calling the religion-science controversy a "false conflict. A supporter of embryonic stem cell research using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes to induce conservation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

[sarah FAILIN]

6. Soo

Not a crazy rep. Another reason I like him.

Are we sure he isn't what I call a moderate?

[still_one]

7. Not sure. On some issues he is pretty hard right

[NewJeffCT]

33. No, he is generally an old school conservative

back when there were conservatives that had intelligent (but wrongheaded) ideas and could engage in rational debate on the merits.

[Bladewire]

11. ☝️ Trying to divide people on points where we agree?

Everyone knows liberals and conservatives disagree and agree on some points.

Why are you trying to divide people when we agree on something so simple & basic?

[still_one]

24. I do not think anyone here is fooled by Krauthamer

[Bladewire]

27. ☝️ Krauthammer turns on Trump, video...

Sums him up. Right & Left unite to fight Trump!

[tblue37]

14. He used to be a liberal Democrat. He was a speechwriter for Walter Mondale.

He probably didn't completely shake off every bit if his earlier sympathies.

[still_one]

25. That I wasn't aware of.

[progressoid]

32. He's old school conservative.

Before they were overthrown by religious zealots.

[Honeycombe8]

10. That's it. That's what people were shocked about. Not the words.

That there was no visceral reaction to the news of neo-Nazis in gear and helmets and torches marching through a street, and one of them intentionally rammed his car into hundreds of counter-protests, that the Nazis were beating up people. True, the counter-protestors were yelling at them. I haven't seen anything (and Lord knows there are tons of pics) that show counter-protesters attacking the white supremacists.

[tblue37]

18. I have seen a couple of videos that include brief moments when one counter protester

or another would throw something toward a white supremacist, but I though their violence was quite mild compared to the violence from the nazis, and I also saw nazis throwing things at counterprotesters, so it wasn't clear whether or not the counterprotesters were just throwing back what had been thrown at them.

But then there was the 21-year-old counterprotester who got mad at a female reporter filming the car attack and it's aftermath, so he punched her in the face. He was one of the 3 people arrested Saturday--and the only counter protester arrested.

[Honeycombe8]

30. Thanks for the info. I hate to hear of violence from the counter-protesters, unless in defense.

It adds to the meme of the Nazis that "both sides" were violent.

Why would anyone hit a reporter filming the car attack and its aftermath? That's how the world learns how it was. That's their job.

[tblue37]

34. In the heat of the moment he was enraged that tragedy was

being "exploited," I imagine.

I have to say, too, that Antifa was not all that peaceful, though they were a small number compared to the peaceful counterprotesters.

[Midnight Writer]

41. The difference? The alt-right organized and executed this whole thing to start violence.

The alt-right fascists are delighted there was violence. That was their mission.

The antifa would have rather been spending their day at a cookout.

[tblue37]

43. True. I am very much in favor of defensive violence when it is necessaey,

but our side shouldn't initiate it.

[Midnight Writer]

44. Recall the Portland train killing, when two men were killed defending Muslim teens?

I wonder if Trump would say there was "violence on both sides"?

[tblue37]

45. I am sure he would. He is not just an idiot--he is an evil idiot. nt

[ancianita]

12. Krauthammer still does NOT see it. He only sees that the "natural" American response is a STORY.

[Bladewire]

13. Please translate for us?

[ancianita]

15. What part of my post is foreign language? Please quote.

[Bladewire]

17. Vague negativity tactic "He only sees that the "natural" American response is a STORY"

Are you able to translate into complete sentences your intentions and how you feel?

I'm trying to understand you but can't decifer all caps and incomplete sentences with no declarative or complete sentences.

[tblue37]

19. Sorry, I also can't figure out what point you are trying to express with that comment. nt

[JI7]

26. wrong, Krauthammer opposed Trump from the start

[Honeycombe8]

31. I don't know, either, what you mean. He doesn't say that, so you are inferring something?

What, exactly? People are just asking for you to clarify your meaning.

[ancianita]

37. I've never liked Krauthammer. While he makes a good point, he comes as late to calling out

this president as this president is late to calling out the white supremacists.

And Krauthammer is so late about so much that's so wrong with his conservative world.

I'm saying that I can't stand Krauthammer who, once this president is gone, will revert to his old right wing framings.

I don't really argue with anything anyone says about his ideas, I just don't trust this writer.

[Honeycombe8]

38. I see. Got it. Thnx! nt

[JI7]

40. Not true. He had opposed trump from the start

[ancianita]

47. It's his shitty politics before Trump that undergirds my distrust. I'll always be wary of him.

[Glimmer of Hope]

16. How does anyone find his response shocking? Did they not see Tapper's questioning regarding Duke?

Do they not know who Trump keeps on staff? He is a birther for fucks sake. Trump's reaction was perfectly natural for him.

[rpannier]

20. Loved the guy at the end who took a swipe at the trumpologist

"Some people will defend the president no matter what he says or does."

[pangaia]

21. Angel of death....boy if that ain't the truth.

[Eyeball_Kid]

23. So... is the US public going to...

finally understand what it means to have Nazis running the country? Trumpy is a Nazi and a Putin apologist. He's also a criminal, as we're soon to get details. Human trafficking and money laundering.

[pansypoo53219]

28. he prefers old fashioned rascism.

[Hugin]

29. The same Krauthammer who said only the other day that The-loaded-diaper-who-would-be-Prez had

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"Bottomed Out" on the depravity?

Asking for a friend.

[lindysalsagal]

35. When will GOP "experts" gettit that they created this hate: It's NOT fRump. It's THEM!

[TrollBuster9090]

36. I saw that whole exchange, and it was fantastic. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Krauthammer, for all his faults, has never liked Trump. So, I wasn't surprised by that. But Steve Hayes was at it, too.

I once trashed Steve Hayes on this forum when he dared to criticize Paul Krugman's expertise in economics by saying "the last time Paul Krugman took a shit after eating bad egg salad, he left something in the toilet bowl that was smarter than Steve Hayes." (https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027107539) Yes I'm actually proud of that post.

But even Steve 'Egg Salad' Hayes couldn't take it. The only pathetic shill on the panel was Mollie Hemingway, who writes for a f-ing BLOG site because nobody would waste physical PAPER on the drivel she writes. And she tried again and again to sanitize and defend Trump...but Hayes and Krauthammer kept calling her an idiot. If you've got the video, just look at the expression on her face when Hayes tells her that what she just said "is complete nonsense." That was a keeper!

[BumRushDaShow]

39. 30 years of RW talk radio

that people like Krauthammer supported, where dog-whistling became an art, and has now resulted in the megaphone blasts from the illegitimately-installed President of the U.S. that we saw today.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Bill Kristol is basically saying the sme thing right now on MSNBC

[Paka]

46. K&R