Chelsea has done it, again. I hereby declare her to be the Queen of Twitter

[Siwsan]

Link to tweet

[PJMcK]

1. Chelsea is a wonderful woman

She must have had really good parents!

[Donkees]

2. The famous statue of Lucifer was installed in St. Pauls cathedral in Liege ...

The famous statue of Lucifer was installed in St. Paul’s cathedral in Liege after the previous statue was declared too seductive



https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/13/the-famous-statue-of-lucifer-was-installed-in-st-pauls-cathedral-in-liege-after-the-previous-statue-was-declared-too-seductive/

[ExciteBike66]

6. Damn

no wonder people worship that guy! The second pic looks like a Calvin Klein photo shoot.

[Glorfindel]

84. No wonder, indeed. This was predicted long ago:

2 Corinthians 11:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[ashling]

85. This according to the two Corinthians

no wonder the one Trump is so enamored with them.

[Glorfindel]

86. Exactly! You nailed it.

[PoliticAverse]

9. It has a Wikipedia page also...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_g%C3%A9nie_du_mal

[yardwork]

12. He looks defeated, though.

The Confederate war memorials make them look triumphant.

[PatSeg]

50. Yes

You'd think they had won by the looks of their glorified statues.

[SCantiGOP]

54. "I would rather rule in hell

than serve in heaven."

[Ezior]

14. Lucifer is hot. Who knew?

[forgotmylogin]

24. Heck no wonder.

That is a beautiful statue. But I think that was the entire point - Lucifer was originally a hot-as-shit angel who got it in his head to challenge God, and lost.

[anneboleyn]

66. John Milton as Lucifer is the best character in Paradise Lost.

[kcr]

16. The Trumpers pointed that out, too, as if that shut her down.

I think her point still stands though, don't you?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. Stands. It's the exception that proves the rule. They should put one in their own church

... to prove how smart they are.

So, a good retort is: "You want a Confederate statue? Put Lucifer in your church like in Belgium. Go right ahead and then we can talk about your Confederate anti-black signaling."

[greyl]

76. Yeah, since she's never been there, her point stands just fine.

Plus, those Trumpers are now equating themselves with Lucifer.

[klook]

79. LOL, really - logic ain't their strong suit (nt)

[pnwmom]

26. She just needed to specify: "US church."

[LanternWaste]

32. If Chelsea has not been to that church or seen it, her statement yet stands.

If Chelsea has not been to that church or seen it, her statement yet stands.

[JHan]

38. As a rule images of Lucifer , and Judas while we're at it, aren't venerated in Christ. Churches.

[luvtheGWN]

40. And since we're quite sure that there are

several more images of Christ in that church, and only one of Lucifer, then perhaps the statues of Lee, Jackson et al need to be surrounded by Union generals and soldiers? That would satisfy all those who say the statues should remain because history, you know.

[JHan]

55. Yup..

And w.r.t slave owning founding fathers, their slave owning isn't celebrated, but increasingly despised .. acknowledging how slavery is still romanticized (including the veneration of civil war confederate "heroes" ) is important.

I even like this approach:

[Beartracks]

71. True, the imagery wouldn't be venerated. And yet...

... the Confederate statues and memorials are indeed in public places of honor, which is secular veneration.

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[JHan]

75. Yep, that's it in a nutshell ++++++

[FailureToCommunicate]

43. Tip: don't mess with God...

“Him the Almighty Power
Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky,
With hideous ruin and combustion, down
To bottomless perdition ; there to dwell
In adamantine chains and penal fire,
Who durst defy the Omnipotent to arms.”

[Cuthbert Allgood]

64. God's an angry bastard.

Lucifer had some valid points that God just wouldn't listen to.

[NastyRiffraff]

65. I wonder if these white Christian right assholes

will recognize that we must recognize both sides of the god/Satan battle?

Many sides, remember. Many sides. Throw in Christian/Atheist too!

[Iggo]

48. Handsome devil, ain't he?

[jmg257]

3. Usually he's in the form of a serpent.

[DetlefK]

7. All hail Thulsa Doom.

[Alpeduez21]

10. I seek Thulsa Doom

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. Look in Oklahoma. . . . . nt

[jayschool2013]

4. Good for Chelsea

Now, about the use of hyphens in place of dashes . . . .

[tblue37]

15. I have written about that common error:

"A Hyphen Is Not a Dash"

http://grammartips.homestead.com/dash.html

[jayschool2013]

22. Bravo

Bravo

[tblue37]

23. Based on your user name, I assume you teach journalism. nt

[jayschool2013]

81. Oui

Starting my 28th year Monday. Oy.

[tblue37]

87. I teach college English--and have done so since 1972. nt

[jayschool2013]

90. WOW

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Personally, I like to see spaces on both sides of the hyphen -- since it is a phrase separator

But I'm in a minority. A significant minority but not the majority.

Without spaces the words aren't separated.

Four versions:

The story of Lucifer — who rebelled against God — is part of many Christians' traditions. I've never been in a church with a Lucifer statue.

The story of Lucifer, who rebelled against God, is part of many Christians' traditions. I've never been in a church with a Lucifer statue.

The story of Lucifer—who rebelled against God—is part of many Christians' traditions. I've never been in a church with a Lucifer statue.

God—is?

The story of Lucifer-who rebelled against God-is part of many Christians' traditions. I've never been in a church with a Lucifer statue.

God-is?

[brush]

36. Commas seem to do the trick. Just keep it simple.

[Demit]

45. I agree. The clause is not an interjection, so dashes (em or en) aren't appropriate.

[tblue37]

57. Word won't turn your hyphens into an m-dash if you add those spaces. nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

62. I use LibreOffice (successor to OpenOffice). Word is Microsoft; therefore it is brain-damaged.

I don't know what LO does with double hyphens. I always input a special character.

You can put an mdash in many places — like here — by typing — including the ampersand and semicolon.

[tblue37]

67. Thanks for the keystrokes for the m-dash. nt

[PJMcK]

56. Your essay is excellent

Thanks for posting the link, tblue37. It's an informative-- and amusing!-- bit of writing that clarifies dashes succinctly.

Now I have to dash off to Dash In.


ETA: Now, let's talk about ellipses...

[tblue37]

58. Actually, I have an article about ellipses, too:

"Are Those Dots Just for Decoration?"

http://grammartips.homestead.com/dots.html

[phylny]

20. Not that I counted her characters, but you have to do a lot of

wrangling sometimes to fit your tweet in 140 characters

[ecstatic]

47. Twitter has a character limit which doesn't allow for us to be as

technical as we'd otherwise be on other platforms.

[jayschool2013]

82. Agreed

However, she had just enough room to punctuate correctly. Given a choice, I usually shorten sentences rather than punctuate in a way that might cause confusion. But I'm a journalism teacher, so, yeah. No biggie.

[TenHouseCats]

59. Any fonts/keyboard layouts that make em and en dashes possible?

As a (former) typographer, being forced to use double hyphens drives me nuts. Tblue's great article was written quite awhile ago, so I'm wondering if there's been a solution to this problem since. (I don't know how to put DU links in. Hail, I don't really know how to insert any links... Copy them before starting a reply?)

Showing my age here, I used to have a program that allowed me to use WordStar to code stuff, then convert the file to play out on Compugraphics equipment.

I had a dream a year or so ago in which I was explaining the difference between em and en dashes. Haven't been a typographer since the late '80s.

[bluepen]

60. Yes, it can easily be done with iPhone & iPad keyboards.

I suspect the same is true with Android devices.

And every word-processing program I've used—on both PC and Mac—makes it easy to create them.

[wryter2000]

72. She could have used commas

I guess that would have required 2 more characters for the spaces after the commas.

[mcar]

5. She nailed it!

She handles her vile detractors quite well too.

[secondwind]

11. A world of difference between this self-made intelligent woman, and the vapid and dumb Ivanka

[PoliticAverse]

13. Not so much difference to prevent Chelsea and Ivanka from being close friends...

before Trump started his 2016 presidential run.

http://people.com/celebrity/chelsea-clinton-and-ivanka-trumps-friendship-how-parents-rivalry-affects-them/

[kcr]

19. From the not at all vapid source of the celebrity section of people dot com! n/t

[PoliticAverse]

34. Vapid indeed. Here's 1:52 of Chelsea with her comment on her Ivanka friendship at the end...

[kcr]

37. wow n/t

[snooper2]

44. Hey, everyone has a white supremacist friend or two

[keithbvadu2]

77. At least Melania was swift enough to plagiarize a smart woman.

At least Melania was swift enough to plagiarize a smart woman.

Or would it be?

Or would it be;

At least Melania was swift enough to plagiarize from a smart woman.

The beauty of the english (English?) language; so many ways to get it wrong.

and still communicate effectively.

[keithbvadu2]

78. Grammar Nazi

[Hassin Bin Sober]

89. Self made?

[IronLionZion]

17. Not many Hitler statues in Europe

Somehow we remember

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Text of tweet:

The story of Lucifer-who rebelled against God-is part of many Christians' traditions. I've never been in a church with a Lucifer statue.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. The first replies to the tweet are lots of crafty kitschy lying propaganda paintings

Skillfully done, but outright lies. Like tRump (Republican) saving the Statue of Liberty. Trump (Republicon) will be the President for "all" of us.

[pnwmom]

27. What she said was perfectly true.

SHE has never been in a church with such a statue.

That's not the same as saying one doesn't exist anywhere in the world.

Meanwhile, there are hundreds of Confederate memorials here.

[Aviation Pro]

28. Where her mother fell short....

...she may succeed.

[Siwsan]

33. I think it's the voters who fell short. Big turn outs tend to mitigate interference.

But I also have been thinking that Chelsea could very well be a very prominent citizen, in our future.

[Achilleaze]

29. But the republiKKKans have been in such a darkside "church"

and refuse to leave or to behave with love and respect as Christ instructed.

[PatrickforO]

31. Oh, that's great!

She's really smart. I'll chuckle about this all day.

[JHan]

39. An even better analogy would be Mussolini statues in Italy.

none exist .... AFAIK.

[JoeStuckInOH]

41. Many churches have statues or stained glass art depicting archangels triumphing over Lucifer.

So there are statues or depictions of Lucifer in those churches which makes Chelsea technically wrong.

#LovesPickingNits

[Bladewire]

42. Trump supporters won't understand that tweet

Sad but true

[Moral Compass]

46. BAM!

[Heartstrings]

49. Well played Chelsea! nt

[L. Coyote]

51. The haters need to be told how deluded they are, and this does that very well.

[PatSeg]

52. It was a great Tweet

But I made the mistake of reading some of the comments and there is some over-the-top crap over there. Evidently, Trump is guided by the hand of Jesus, who knew?

[progressoid]

61. Yeah, pretty frightening.

[hamsterjill]

53. Bam!!!!!!

Takes after her parents, doesn't she???!!!

Way to go, Chelsea!

[R B Garr]

63. K&R! That's a zinger!

Go Chelsea.

[niyad]

68. YAYYYYY, CHELSEA

but, I do like this pic of Lucifer--do posters count?

[lark]

69. Awesome!

She has so much class, intelligence and grace. Hillary and Bill did a great job.

[LisaM]

70. As an aside....

I don't understand why people who name themselves Christians vote for people like Reagan and Trump, who are clearly completely irreligious. Carter, Gore, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton are all churchgoers (not saying this as a for or against, just a fact) and yet somehow the religious right couldn't identify with them.

Good for Chelsea.

[keithbvadu2]

80. irreligious" - Trump knows the terms

Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

They support Trump who says he is so perfect that he does not need Christ or his forgiveness.

Like today's evangelical/religious right supporters, Trump is a Political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

Evangelicals/religious right are easily able to spin their beliefs for political expediency.

The Donald who does not have to ask Jesus for forgiveness.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

[JI7]

88. the support for Trump exposed the "white evangelicals" as actually being white supremacists

[Honeycombe8]

73. Her mama raised her well! nt

[treestar]

74. Another good example

[flotsam]

83. On the contrary,

Le génie du mal (installed 1848) or The Genius of Evil, known informally in English as Lucifer or The Lucifer of Liège,[1] is a religious sculpture executed in white marble by the Belgian artist Guillaume Geefs. Francophone art historians most often refer to the figure as an ange déchu, a "fallen angel." It is located within the elaborate pulpit (French chaire de vérité, "seat of truth&quot of St. Paul's Cathedral, Liège.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_g%C3%A9nie_du_mal

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