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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:27 PM Dec 2011

Glenn Greenwald:

@Wolfrum Thanks: of course Obama = better than Paul on those issues for progressives - though I do say Endless War jeopradizes entitlements

http://twitter.com/#!/ggreenwald/status/153169132471328768


Greenwald does exactly this: Hype Ron Paul based on soundbites. One can find any number of clips or writings contradicting these soundbites, as with the anti-war claim. You're opposed to the death penalty, but would let people die without health care?

Let's look at the numbers: There were less than 80 executions in the U.S. last year, the lowest in 40 years. Tens of thousand of people die each year without health care

Greenwald doesn't for a second consider that Paul's positions are propaganda.

"Endless War jeopradizes entitlements"?

What the hell does that mean? You know what jeopardizes "entitlements": getting rid of them and believing they're unconstitutional.

Is slavery an entitlement program?

A Ronulan tries to drum up liberals support for Ron Paul at HuffPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100294536


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Glenn Greenwald: (Original Post) ProSense Dec 2011 OP
Particularly silly when Paul is on the record supporting an invasion of Iran. TheWraith Dec 2011 #1
It is! ProSense Dec 2011 #2
Exactly. Being on the correct side of some issues doesn't make him right... TheWraith Dec 2011 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #4
Greenwald pays Obama a compliment, and as a result... DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #5
It ProSense Dec 2011 #6
Familiar with the phrase "damning by faint praise"? TheWraith Dec 2011 #8
People ProSense Dec 2011 #9
True. n/t Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #12
He already has three strikes as far as I'm concerned... MrScorpio Dec 2011 #7
True colors shining through JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #10
Yup! n/t ProSense Dec 2011 #11
Kick. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #13
... Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #14

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
1. Particularly silly when Paul is on the record supporting an invasion of Iran.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:36 PM
Dec 2011

And when Paul is on the record having supported the invasion of Iraq.

So in other words, his "anti war stance" is just after the fact bullshit, and bears considerably less weight than, say, President Obama's, who was against he war before it started.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. It is!
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:44 PM
Dec 2011

I saw a great tweet in response to the logic that basically says: "He's horrible, but I agree with him on somethings!!! For example, he's a racist supported by racists who want blacks to acknowledge that they were better off as slaves, an anti-gay bigot supported by people who want to kill gays, but, hey, at least he wants to close U.S. bases in other countries and legalize weed":

"That's like saying the KKK has some good ideas on buying local."

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
3. Exactly. Being on the correct side of some issues doesn't make him right...
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:48 PM
Dec 2011

...it just makes him less spectacularly wrong on average.

Response to ProSense (Original post)

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
5. Greenwald pays Obama a compliment, and as a result...
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:51 PM
Dec 2011

...we have a thread lambasting him, with the usual suspects piling on. Whatever, guys. It gets old.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. It
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:59 PM
Dec 2011

"Greenwald pays Obama a compliment, and as a result..."

...was a back-handed compliment in response to a comment about his reactionary piece quoting MineralMan.

Paul's positions are bullshit, primarily myths created to sell him. Greenwald has invested a lot of time pushing Paul as genuine.

What's the point of creating the impression that these positions are real?

There are already signs on the campaign trail that the veneer is coming off and via Paul's own statements.

I mean, the guy was an anti-war hero, and now there is evidence that's complete bullshit, with his own campaign manager declaring that he's not anti-war.

All I have to do his look at his son, who has joined him on the campaign trail. Rand Paul not only proposed criminalizing "radical political protests," but he also created a budget that included billions more for defense than Obama's.

I want debate based on positions people actually hold, not propaganda to fool the masses. That has gone on too long with Paul.


TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
8. Familiar with the phrase "damning by faint praise"?
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:37 PM
Dec 2011

Greenwald "conceded" something that he had no possible chance of arguing, giving him an excuse to look magnanimous and independent while still pushing lies and misrepresentations to support a bigoted homophobic warmonger.

MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
7. He already has three strikes as far as I'm concerned...
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:03 PM
Dec 2011

1. Pimpage of Ron Paul.

2. Thinks, Bradley Manning, a soldier who was entrusted with keeping the Nation's Secrets and betrayed that trust, a "hero".

3. And suffers from a really bad case of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

That's why I stopped following his tweets. Good riddance


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