Thank you Skinner!!

[GaryCnf]

This is a direct quote and it makes me very happy.

For those people who can't figure it out, the bottom line with regard to the 2016 General Election is this: If you were able to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 but you chose not to -- and you don't regret your terrible decision -- then we don't want you here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125912898#post1

Now can we start fighting for the Democratic Party in the 2018 mid-terms and put a wall between the people of this country and the reign of terror we're facing?

[mopinko]

1. way to go guy.

absofuckinglutely.

[IronLionZion]

2. It's a good policy

Now children under 18 and non-US citizens and others who were unable to vote for Hillary but would have liked to, can come back from hell.



Going forward, vote for Democrats!

[peggysue2]

3. The Bingo phrase is . . .

"and you don't regret your terrible decision."

This is exactly where I fall. I don't expect people to crawl on their bellies but if you cannot admit the mistake, simply want to refight the 2016 primaries with a freaking madman sitting in the WH then there's really nothing to talk about.

We're not only fighting for the Democratic Party. We're fighting for health and safety of our democratic Republic. Anyone who is not on that page is not worth our time or energy. It's all hands on deck for 2018.

[Paladin]

4. Well said. (nt)

[BainsBane]

6. Precisely

Well said.

[Blue_true]

43. BOOOM!!!!! nt

[BainsBane]

5. I haven't seen anyone on DU express regret

Actually I haven't seen any Stein voter or anyone pretending to be "progressive" or on the left express regret about putting Trump in office. I've seen them insist they were right to vote for Trump/Stein/Johnson/write-in or make some other ratfuck move. I've seen them announce a determination to continue to refight the 2016 primary all the way through 2020. I've seen them insist that any criticism of Stein and Trump voters was "divisive," all while they insult Democrats and work to harden divides.

Not only that, we've seen a planned "counteroffensive" by the fascists at JPR to take over DU in order to continue fighting that fucking 2016 primary. These are the same people who defended and continue to defend Trump, who deny the immigration raids ripping apart families are consequential, who make excuses for the Muslim ban, and insist that there is nothing new about seeing Nazis march through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us," mowing down protesters with cars, and having the POTUS defend those same Nazis. These are the same people who insist there is "no evidence" of Russian interference in the election, even after they promoted the Pizzagate pedophile ring story and continue to insist Hillary Clinton killed Seth Rich. They are the very worst the human race has ever produced, and I don't want them anywhere near this place.

Just today, I saw one on Twitter say he was glad that Trump won. They are happy about what is happening to America because this is exactly what they voted for.

[leftstreet]

7. People on DU have admitted to voting for Trump?

Not saying you're wrong, just I've never seen that here

[BainsBane]

8. for Stein

Which is the exact same thing. I can provide a link if you like.

[leftstreet]

10. Oh

yeah, I did see that

[tiredtoo]

29. Sorry but...

The people that voted for Stein are not the same as those that voted for trump. The Stein voters were going to vote for Stein regardless of who was running in either party. They are members of the green party and will most likely always vote for green party candidates.

[BainsBane]

32. Some

but some claim to be Democrats. Read this subthread. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9428956

[obamanut2012]

41. ermagerd

these people suck

[betsuni]

58. Everybody should go and read that person's profile info and "about me."

It's very interesting.

[JI7]

59. that one was allowed on here for wayyyy too long. with his white men are the true base shit

and enjoying the hurt trump is causing to largely those who voted for clinton in large numbers.

fuck him.

[betsuni]

61. +1

[BainsBane]

64. He's still a member.

His status is flagged.

[betsuni]

72. Not anymore.

[Starry Messenger]

68. That was enlightening

[Demsrule86]

78. In the Goodbye post...this person says the following. It was in the journal so I assume one can

post the words.

"4(a). We may not be voting for Hillary -- deal with it. If that means we were "never Democrats anyway", so be it (just ignore all our previous votes for Obama, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, et al.) "

[Steven Maurer]

37. The point is that this isn't the GreenUnderground

If you want to wank off on sanctimoniously pretending you're better than everyone else, instead of actually helping people, there are other places on the internet for you.

Spending your time trolling on the DU is no longer welcome.

Thank you, Skinner.

[Blue_true]

44. Then screw them. Like the poster said, they aren't worth spending time on. nt

[Demsrule86]

49. They are exactly the same and do not belong here. And more than a few folks who call themselves

Democrats voted for her...they are no such thing.

[Demsrule86]

51. Why are they still here?

[BainsBane]

55. That's what I'd like to know

[Demsrule86]

74. I wish I knew...

[cwydro]

19. There was at least one poster here who said how glad he was that Trump won because revolution

or some such. The Sarandon outlook.

I don't think that poster is here anymore, but I remember being gobsmacked when I read that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. There are anough of them here to use the rule about refighting the election

to silence liberals and democrats who are loyal to the party.

Crazy but true.

The good news is if you are a victim of that, appeal to the admins, they are REAL liberals and REAL democrats and they will not stand by and let that happen.

Not if you make it clear what happened and where you stand with the party, etc.

[Demsrule86]

75. It has happened...thank goodness we have appeals. Many good Dems are not here because of such

tactics...the new rules are really very fair.

[Hekate]

34. BB, I'd love to see their denizens declared persona non grata once links show which ones...

...are the trolls and moles.

In the past we've had certain DUers proclaim innocence -- they're only hanging out in that den of thieves because that's where their friends are. All I have to say to that is: any Mom worth her salt would scoff at that with a swift swat across the butt and a serious grounding. Why should we put up with it?

[Jim Lane]

57. Your statement about the alleged "planned 'counteroffensive'" is probably false.

You write:

Not only that, we've seen a planned "counteroffensive" by the fascists at JPR to take over DU in order to continue fighting that fucking 2016 primary.

I'm hedging with "probably" because I don't read every post at JPR, but I read a lot of them. I have never seen anything remotely like what you charge. When DU is mentioned (which the admins there discourage), the most common reaction, far and away, is complete dismissal -- "I'm so glad I have nothing more to do with DU" or the like.

They have about as much interest in taking over DU as they would in taking over Free Republic.

To be fair, there is on JPR some paranoia that's analogous to yours. Occasionally someone warns of DU trolls infiltrating the site. In other words, you have something important in common with some of the JPR posters -- the joy of denouncing alleged nefarious acts directed against you.

[betsuni]

60. It's true. It was an email sent to JPR members that the Conservative Cave posted.

I've seen it, a lot of people have seen it, it's still there.

[Jim Lane]

63. Oh, well, the Conservative Cave, there's a reliable source for you.

All I can tell you from my first-hand knowledge is that I'm a JPR member and I received no such email.

Beyond that, I can tell you that the people on JPR would have nothing to gain by "taking over" DU, that they would have no chance of doing so when (as they know perfectly well) the admins can PPR or indef-FFR anyone at any time for any reason, that participation in any such alleged plan would be completely contrary to the attitudes that are prevalent on JPR, and that Conservative Cave has every reason to lie to foment discord among the people who are opposed to Trump.

What's next, some hard-hitting investigative reporting by World Net Daily?

[betsuni]

66. Wrong.

Last edited Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:26 AM - Edit history (1)

Edited just in case.

[betsuni]

71. Here's someone on JPR talking about the pm.

Comment #91: "I got your pm a while back and pondered the proposition of doing a little underground snooping mission over there... ."
Any more excuses?

http://www.jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/certain-websites-now-require-that-you-must-voted-for-hillary-to-be-a-member

[Jim Lane]

81. Wow, WHAT a reading comprehension fail.

There were a few threads on DU recently (including this one) about the "people who didn't vote for Clinton in the general election aren't welcome here" edict. Someone on JPR noticed one of those threads and started a JPR thread about it. In that thread, in the post you linked, someone talked about "snooping" at DU to see if the statement was true.

Did you read the whole thread, or just the post that your dear friends at Conservative Cave helpfully highlighted for you? The whole thread is very informative about whether people at JPR would engage in a sustained "counteroffensive" to somehow take over DU. It's replete with comments that support what I said -- that the vast majority of them are disdainful of DU and think it's become worthless ("Good riddance to them as far as I’m concerned" and the like).

In fact, the very post you quote has some relevant language that you chose to elide. For the benefit of DUers who didn't bother to click on your link, here's what your three dots obscured:

I got your pm a while back and pondered the proposition of doing a little underground snoop mission over there but they are so misguided and bitchy, there’s nothing to salvage if I could have an influence. Lost cause.

I sneek over and snoop infrequently and did see the OP in question.

That "lost cause" view is very common and is what would strangle any "counteroffensive" in its cradle. We can add the obvious point that there hasn't been a wave of DU posts defending a vote for Jill Stein. As everyone on both sites knows, any such posts would be quickly removed, so what would be the point?

BTW, by citing to that thread I'm not endorsing it. This would be obvious to any thinking person but these days McCarthyism is rampant on both DU and JPR so I feel a need to mention it.

Another thing that's seen on each site is the pointless vitriol directed at the other.

[betsuni]

83. Wrong. Anyone can see comment #91 is a reply to Flying Squirrel.

Mastermind of the failed counteroffensive and former DU member. You really don't like DU, do you? McCarthyism! Um, your insults are very weak.

[BainsBane]

69. He sent it around as a PM

And whether by lack of discretion or by choice, sent it to a Republican who posted it on another site.

Keep insulting. It obviously makes you feel important. Considering you have no idea what you're talking about, it's all you have.

[betsuni]

77. You should apologize to BainsBane for calling her paranoid and untruthful.

That was not nice. You are wrong. Don't you want to defend the honor of JPR members as righteous truth-tellers?

[Jim Lane]

82. Request declined.

"That was not nice." Well, my comments were pointed, but IMO not a personal attack. I didn't call her untruthful. I said that a particular post of hers was probably false. To my mind that's a huge difference.

"Don't you want to defend the honor of JPR members as righteous truth-tellers?" Right, I post there, so obviously I must defend everything everyone else says there. I posted here that Ted Cruz was constitutionally eligible to be President, so by refuting left-wing birtherism I must be a Cruz ally and must defend him against all other attacks. You didn't make that second point but it's as silly as what you actually did write.

[betsuni]

84. ...

Well, it's your mind.

[lillypaddle]

9. phew ...

I'm relieved - was beginning to wonder. Thanks, Skinner!

[roamer65]

11. With this full statement, I agree.

[nolabear]

12. See how easy that is? 45 could take lessons.

Thanks, Skinner. You're a good person.

[wryter2000]

13. Perfect

[Podkayne K]

14. 2016 Vote

I've said it countless times; I'll say it countless more:

Only one of two could win
If you didn't vote for her
You voted for him!

[tiredtoo]

30. And if she had won?

Would you say the same thing?

[Hekate]

35. It wouldn't rhyme

[Demsrule86]

50. Yes...it is bitter because she los,t but if you won't vote for the Democratic candidate for

president...you don't belong here.

[Podkayne K]

54. Hunh?

I don't understand your question. It really doesn't compute.

Anyone who didn't vote for her helped comrade trump. If you look at the slime votes in Michigan and Wisconsin, those were enough to change those two states. And in PA, it was close enough that a recount might have done it (and certainly the democratic no shows would have changed the outcome.)

I was in NC campaigning, and I heard way too much about horrible hillary because: Emails and she didn't walk on water or some other damn excuse. And because of all that logic... look at where we are... and worse where we might be in just a little time from now.

So to make a short answer long, yes I would say the same thing, except I would also add, "Thank goodness she still won!"

[lunatica]

15. Nothing can change the past

But some people just can't seem to get it.

In my opinion if you're forever fighting the same unwinnable fight believing that this time you'll finally win it you need to realize that you're never going to win it. The final stage of any emotional journey is to accept things as the are, regardless of what you want them to be. If you can do this you're prepared to move on and not stay stuck in the past.

[lunatica]

39. I do my best to avoid them

And in Presidential election years when Democrats are running I've learned to stay away. The blood spatter is too much!

[betsuni]

45. This is Democratic Underground and you're calling Hillary Clinton a Goldwater Girl.

Why? Is everyone defined forever by things they did as teenagers or is it just her?

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Not just her. Obama would have the same problem, Kamala Harris is about to, etc.

[betsuni]

73. Of course you are right.

[Blue_true]

46. Yeah.

A "Goldwater Girl" who spent every second of her adult life fighting for progressive causes. I won't say that she didn't occasionally make a bad call because she did, but her heart always seemed solidly in the right place. And she is whip smart and effective.

[lark]

16. Right on!

I totally agree with your take, #RESIST is what's so desperately needed now. All of us have to be in the same boat rowing together for safety or we will be breaking up on the rocks of Nazism and oligarch greed.

[Floyd R. Turbo]

17. Hear hear!

[MarvinGardens]

18. K & R -- A good policy (nt)

[aeromanKC]

20. Those that could not stand Trump but voted for him anyway (even though they wanted someone else)

Got their SCOTUS seated for next 30 f'n years!!

Just sayin........

[The Mouth]

21. Yep.

Personally, I liked Hillary for her integrity, and extensive experience and her policies. But damned if I didn't try to explain to everyone (except Cheeto Benito supporters) who bought the smears that even if they did not like her that the SCOTUS justice she'd appoint would be better than the best one Drumpf would.

"Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line".

[AntiFascist]

22. This is all fine, and I would add...

can we please focus on candidates who unite the party and not divide it?

[kimbutgar]

23. Agree 100% by not voting for Hillary you are the reason we have twitler

[G_j]

24. Isn't that an extremely small handful of people?

Small enough that I haven't personally seen any posts by people professing that view. Though I don't visit as much as some of you. What I don't get is all the energy being expended on this issue. I see a lot of substantive posts that don't get the attention they deserve.

[bettyellen]

28. If slagging Dems is allowed, it quickly snowballs and takes over. It actually takes effort to

Get rid of the deliberately disruptive who hate Dems and want to turn people against them. They flooded this place in the primaries. Only after they started a new place did we see the full extent of their ill intent.

Atlantic did an article about how they even go to Linked In! It's crazy. They try to control discourse everywhere these days .

[Demsrule86]

76. And many of them may speak Russian.

[betsuni]

80. +1

[stonecutter357]

25. K&R

[Lil Missy]

26. Thank you!

Hopefully, people will remember this in future Elections so we don't have anymore 3rd Party crap dominating this website.

[Hekate]

31. KnR

[VOX]

33. Massive thank-you!!!

Couldn't be any clearer!

[Mike Nelson]

36. I can't believe...

...people were willing to give up the Supreme Court seat and suffer Trump/Pence because Hillary Clinton wasn't a more perfect progressive candidate. "If we can't get a full $15 minimum wage, we want none!" Nobody's perfect.

[Mountain Mule]

40. A HUGE K & R to You!

Absolutely agree! The MIDTERMS are coming up. Focus, people, FOCUS!

[obamanut2012]

42. I'm a Socialist and voted for Hillary

And did it gladly.

And, I'm not the only Socialist or Communist I know who did. WE didn't vote for that stealth wingnut Stein, or write in Bernie, or vote for Trump or Johnson.

We voted for Hillary.

To quote my best friend on whether or not Lenin would have voted for Hilary: "He would. There's no way he'd let Trump win. He understood the power of psychological victories over the right-wing."

[betsuni]

47. K&R

[Honeycombe8]

48. Makes sense. Why would they even be posting here, if they didn't vote for the Dem in 2016? nt

[shenmue]

53. Yay!

[Az_lefty]

56. So we're going to build a wall?

I get the idea but doesn't sound very pregressive

[BainsBane]

65. The name of the site is Democratic Underground

As in the Democratic Party, not Fascism underground. If you think forming common cause with White Supremacists what and their enablers, who voted for an actual physical wall, is so "progressive," there are other places to do that. Info Wars comes to mind.

[Lil Missy]

70. Yes, build a wall.

This is DEMOCRATIC underground. Not GreenUnderground nor BernieUndergrand.

[Scurrilous]

62. K&R

[spiderpig]

67. Something nice and funny about Skinner

DUers were assembling across from the White House to march against W.

Skinner was dazzling us with his brand new toy - an iPhone! A gift from his wife. We were gawking at it in awe like cave dwellers who discovered fire.

Apple recently announced the 10-year anniversary of the introduction of the iPhone. My first response was "Skinner!"

[Ligyron]

85. I was surprised at how young he was when I saw his photo last year.

For some reason, I thought he's be a lot older, me mistakenly associating age with wisdom.

[spiderpig]

86. Yeah - I was aware I was old enough to be his mom.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

[RKP5637]

79. K&R!!!! n/t

[Madam45for2923]

87. Bookmarking this OP and the ATA OP!

DEMS!!!

[Gothmog]

88. Yeah for Skinner