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Hash tag NO CAUCUSES! Caucuses equal DEMS BASE VOTER SUPPRESSION.

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Hash tag NO CAUCUSES! Caucuses equal DEMS BASE VOTER SUPPRESSION. (Original post)	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	OP
All About The Base: Why Open Primaries and Caucuses Are a Terrible Idea	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#1
If you need a babysitter to go caucus that means your babysitter is SOL. He or she cannot go.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#6
OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#8
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!	tonyt53	Aug 2017	#29
The "logic" in the article is amusing	mythology	Aug 2017	#48
I want to make it easy for our BASE to vote.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#50
This message was self-deleted by its author	lostnfound	Aug 2017	#71
How does a closed primary	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#94
They get to get in and out. Plus some states got early or absentee voting	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#99
I have no idea what you are trying to argue.	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#101
Ahhh...the open primary argument mostly made by non-Dems.	brush	Aug 2017	#64
I am not a member of the Dem	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#96
The big tent includes left, center and even blue dog democrats. DEMOCRATS.	brush	Aug 2017	#100
I prefer not to be a member of a political party.	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#102
So you didn't want to stay involved and help change what you didn't like?	brush	Aug 2017	#104
I most definitely did make a decision and fortunately	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#107
"I am in California and as long as my state allows open primaries..."	lapucelle	Aug 2017	#130
Yes, you are correct and I mis-spoke in my statement	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#132
It was not an open primary.	lapucelle	Aug 2017	#136
The OP asks whether or not	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#139
I'm a long time party member and volunteer.	lapucelle	Aug 2017	#143
I guess everyone has their own strategy.	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#146
But	romana	Aug 2017	#129
Well I would ask,	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#131
I agree with you	fallout87	Aug 2017	#152
Thank you and I agree.	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#154
And my personal favorite:	fallout87	Aug 2017	#155
Thanks for breaking this all down. Good post.	brush	Aug 2017	#61
Or, in cold states, a cold winter night, with possible icy roads	question everything	Aug 2017	#76
The timing of the caucuses in Washington state clearly favors college students.	LisaM	Aug 2017	#106
There has	fallout87	Aug 2017	#153
How about they try to bridge the divide?	LisaM	Aug 2017	#156
closed primaries would be best. imho.	riversedge	Aug 2017	#2
Absolutely. Only DEMS choosing the DEM candidate. Wanna vote? You are free to REGISTER	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#3
Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend this?	tonyt53	Aug 2017	#31
Yes please! Closed primaries. NO caucuses. And...	NurseJackie	Aug 2017	#4
They have free time to go to a caucus but not to register! LOL!	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#5
But keep the superdelegates? n/t	NotASurfer	Aug 2017	#7
Many of us like them! Deal!	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#9
Because..?	NotASurfer	Aug 2017	#23
Yes. This, too. Thank you!	NurseJackie	Aug 2017	#17
I'm actually down with that...	Wounded Bear	Aug 2017	#39
absolutely !!! Especially after Red Don ... why is this even a question? thx in advance	uponit7771	Aug 2017	#51
That's an easy one. If the repugs had had superdelegates, they wouldn't have avoided trump...	brush	Aug 2017	#66
Good, but not every state reguires you to register as a member of a political party.	FSogol	Aug 2017	#10
In California	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#98
I'm OK with no caucuses, but fuck superdelegates and I prefer open primaries.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#11
OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING from NON DEM FRIENDS . No thank you	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#13
There aren't enough rat fuckers to warrant disenfranchising genuine left-leaning independents.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#15
Disenfranchising my arse! LOL! Register Register Register.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#16
No need to Register Register Register as a Democrat with open primaries.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#28
We disagree.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#41
The point is Democrats voting in Democratic primaries. Not ratfuckers try to influence our...	brush	Aug 2017	#73
"Open primaries and caucuses gave us the divisiveness we experienced in 2016"	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#126
Short memory? The caucuses that Sanders won were a point of divisiveness. They were...	brush	Aug 2017	#149
We're bordering on refighting the primary so I'll back off.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#150
Yes they do!	tonyt53	Aug 2017	#33
LOL! That's not what "disenfranchising" means. The price one pays for the vanity of...	NurseJackie	Aug 2017	#19
Disenfranchisement doesn't have to be absolute to be disenfranchising.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#27
Oh, stop it! As it applies to THIS topic, there is NO "disenfranchisement" going on when...	NurseJackie	Aug 2017	#52
Exactly. nt	Blue_true	Aug 2017	#142
If they're allies let them vote Dem in the general. Democrats should pick Democratic candidates.	brush	Aug 2017	#75
We could do that but we run the risk of alienating our allies	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#110
Versus allowing our non-allies to pull dirty tricks in voting in our primaries?	brush	Aug 2017	#117
I don't think requiring D membership is going to stop dirty tricks in primaries.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#125
Thank you for saying this!	tonyt53	Aug 2017	#36
I especially liked how you supported your premise with objective, peer-reviewed analysis	LanternWaste	Aug 2017	#53
wasn't there a recent survey	NewJeffCT	Aug 2017	#70
I think neither choice is right.	FourScore	Aug 2017	#91
I said many of those 12%	NewJeffCT	Aug 2017	#108
Yes, but its possible that none of them were ratfuckers.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#127
I'd love to see your source for that "fact."	brer cat	Aug 2017	#121
I'm not saying it can't happen in a small district in the south,	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#128
If you are left leaning, register Dem.	Blue_true	Aug 2017	#141
Nah, you get right-leaning independents and ratfuckers with open primaries...	brush	Aug 2017	#69
I agree completely with your points.	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#93
What is wrong with declaring a party when you register?	Blue_true	Aug 2017	#140
I suppose I shouldn't expect fierce Democratic party loyalists to understand the ambivalence	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#144
If you don't like the rules, create your own party.	Blue_true	Aug 2017	#145
Or we can be inclusive and allow open primaries.	aikoaiko	Aug 2017	#147
I disagree. True Democrats should choose the party nominee.	Blue_true	Aug 2017	#148
I'm fine with getting rid of caucuses but closed primaries are a terribly short sighted idea	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#12
Closed Primary means REGISTER! Oh no! The calamity!	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#14
You have to register in an open primary too.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#20
I actually use open primaries to vote in the Republican primary	Pope George Ringo II	Aug 2017	#68
I think a lot more RWers cross over to vote Democrat	NewJeffCT	Aug 2017	#72
Probably true.	Pope George Ringo II	Aug 2017	#87
I have never read a convincing argument in favor of open primaries	Orrex	Aug 2017	#18
Open primaries are a very effective party recruiting tool	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#21
Suuuuuuure! I prefer registering as part of recruiting! - nice try.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#24
You keep repeating the lie that you don't have to register to vote	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#57
You mean people that register on the way in & change their registration on the way out. NO THANKS	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#59
Thats some mythical bullshit you are bathing yourself in there	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#60
"Bullshit"and "Puritanical"" Obsession" too? woah! LOL!	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#63
Bolding my posts and using a lot of caps doesn't strengthen your argument in the slightest.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#67
Nah I was just impressed with your tactics. Reminded me of a wonderful year called 2016	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#79
I don't have "tactics". I have insight. You should give it a spin sometime.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#80
Yep that's the word for it! In sight full. I see you- sincere DEM you	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#85
Insight, no space.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#113
I reject that fairy tale entirely	Orrex	Aug 2017	#26
I reject your rejection as it isn't born out by any facts	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#58
Your fairy tale is short hand for "abolish primaries altogether"	Orrex	Aug 2017	#62
Your fairy tale is "lets rely on a base of 31% of Americans" to win elections.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#65
Of course, that is absolutely not my view	Orrex	Aug 2017	#83
My argument is very convincing for those that actually understand Obama's 2008 victory. You do not.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#112
Well, I'll give you this much:	Orrex	Aug 2017	#114
I condescend to those who deserve to be condescended to.	phleshdef	Aug 2017	#115
Golly!	Orrex	Aug 2017	#116
My state (VA) doesn't have a mechanism for registering with a party.	FSogol	Aug 2017	#46
Yeah, I recall that from the past primary season	Orrex	Aug 2017	#54
I wouldn't mind a open primary, but changing the Commonwealth's election law is much	FSogol	Aug 2017	#81
Yeah, that's a good point	Orrex	Aug 2017	#84
In VA, the GOP is deathly afraid liberals will vote in their primaries.	FSogol	Aug 2017	#88
NO caucuses, ABSOLUTELY!1 They are a drag on the process, are indeed SUPPRESSION	UTUSN	Aug 2017	#22
Yes, end cacuses and limit primaries to registered Democrats.	Expecting Rain	Aug 2017	#25
Yep! I find it suspect people saying otherwise. WTF that about.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#32
This is called "learnin'!"	yallerdawg	Aug 2017	#30
??? Say more...	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#35
Our loss in the 2016 presidential election started in the primary.	yallerdawg	Aug 2017	#44
Yep! Lesson learned!	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#47
Open Primary Operation Chaos	Freddie	Aug 2017	#34
Makes sense. Wondering why some people don't seem to care about that.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#38
Thank you for remembering this	NewJeffCT	Aug 2017	#74
Caucuses had a lot to do with Obama winning the nomination in 2008.	yellowcanine	Aug 2017	#37
I caucused for Obama in 08 and Sanders in 16. Both benefited from the caucus system. Yet I still	TacoD	Aug 2017	#43
End caucuses, end superdelegates, allow same-day registration.	TacoD	Aug 2017	#40
Agreed on all but ending super delegates. If the repugs had had super delegates...	brush	Aug 2017	#77
i used to defend out states caucuses. I loved them..so grassroots...but after last year...	samnsara	Aug 2017	#42
While I agree with the OP, I think it will be difficult to achieve, since states choose how they	still_one	Aug 2017	#45
Yes, but important to let it known that caucuses are suppressing our base voters who work, etc	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#49
No doubt about it. It discriminates against people who are not mobile or who cannot get to the	still_one	Aug 2017	#82
and adverse to paying for it nt	geek tragedy	Aug 2017	#86
Another reason why those states may be adverse to it	still_one	Aug 2017	#92
I agree that caucuses make it difficult for many people to participate.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Aug 2017	#55
Locking out all the Independent voters in closed primaries would backfire.	procon	Aug 2017	#56
This is pretty simple, really.....	Adrahil	Aug 2017	#90
No,not really.	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#109
That is a different question....	Adrahil	Aug 2017	#119
Well I think it is a big problem that only two political parties	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#120
So you refuse to join the party...	Adrahil	Aug 2017	#122
No, I simply do not feel	aquamarina	Aug 2017	#124
I couldn't join the party if I wanted to. My state doesn't have party registration.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Aug 2017	#137
For the daily rehash	GaryCnf	Aug 2017	#78
Time makes a difference of whether you bring your kids or not. Or need non-voting babysitter.	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#89
Wow, you really have no concept	GaryCnf	Aug 2017	#95
Wow to your wow! You don't know me. You sincere caring person you!	Madam45for2923	Aug 2017	#97
Somehow it seems nicer	GaryCnf	Aug 2017	#105
K&R	mcar	Aug 2017	#103
That is what let the third party people into our party.	redstatebluegirl	Aug 2017	#111
ABSOLUTELY!!! No More undemocratic caucuses!	lunamagica	Aug 2017	#118
I agree wholeheartedly.	SaschaHM	Aug 2017	#123
Most states have state, not party, regulations.	Voltaire2	Aug 2017	#133
No kidding. But some people.............	tonyt53	Aug 2017	#151
The problem with eliminating caucuses and closed primaries	LiberalFighter	Aug 2017	#134
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2017	#135
Here is my take.	Blue_true	Aug 2017	#138

Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:20 AM

Madam45for2923 (7,178 posts)

1. All About The Base: Why Open Primaries and Caucuses Are a Terrible Idea

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And beyond the intimidation factor, caucuses also benefit those who are more affluent, especially White, middle-class families. After all, not everyone can spare four hours on a weekend afternoon, find transportation, find childcare, find their local polling station, and find the energy and effort to sit in a contentious room with your neighbors where you make your politics public for your whole community to see. In addition, many caucuses are one-shot deals. If you happen to be out of town, sick, or without reliable transportation that one single day, then you are unable to participate in your state's primary election. Low-income workers often cannot take time off. Workers who work in tourist areas often cannot take time off. Ahead of Nevada's February caucus, Harry Reid had to fight to allow unionized workers at 6 casinos time off to vote during their shift. Had he not intervened, those workers who have been denied their constitutionally-protected right to vote simply because they were at work.

As bad as caucuses are, open primaries may be even less democratic. Because open primaries allow for ratfucking to the nth degree. By having someone show up on primary day and choose a party, there's no guarantee that this person has noble intentions in mind. He or she can be voting for their chosen candidate or can be voting against a candidate for a party that they are not even a member of.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2017/8/27/all-about-the-base-why-open-primaries-and-caucuses-are-a-terrible-idea

Hash tag NO CAUCUSES! Caucuses equal DEMS BASE VOTER SUPPRESSION.

1. All About The Base: Why Open Primaries and Caucuses Are a Terrible Idea

6. If you need a babysitter to go caucus that means your babysitter is SOL. He or she cannot go.

8. OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING

29. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

48. The "logic" in the article is amusing

50. I want to make it easy for our BASE to vote.

94. How does a closed primary

99. They get to get in and out. Plus some states got early or absentee voting

101. I have no idea what you are trying to argue.

64. Ahhh...the open primary argument mostly made by non-Dems.

96. I am not a member of the Dem

100. The big tent includes left, center and even blue dog democrats. DEMOCRATS.

102. I prefer not to be a member of a political party.

104. So you didn't want to stay involved and help change what you didn't like?

107. I most definitely did make a decision and fortunately

130. "I am in California and as long as my state allows open primaries..."

132. Yes, you are correct and I mis-spoke in my statement

136. It was not an open primary.

139. The OP asks whether or not

143. I'm a long time party member and volunteer.

146. I guess everyone has their own strategy.

129. But

131. Well I would ask,

152. I agree with you

154. Thank you and I agree.

155. And my personal favorite:

61. Thanks for breaking this all down. Good post.

76. Or, in cold states, a cold winter night, with possible icy roads

106. The timing of the caucuses in Washington state clearly favors college students.

153. There has

156. How about they try to bridge the divide?

2. closed primaries would be best. imho.

3. Absolutely. Only DEMS choosing the DEM candidate. Wanna vote? You are free to REGISTER

31. Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend this?

4. Yes please! Closed primaries. NO caucuses. And...

5. They have free time to go to a caucus but not to register! LOL!

7. But keep the superdelegates? n/t

9. Many of us like them! Deal!

23. Because..?

17. Yes. This, too. Thank you!

39. I'm actually down with that...

51. absolutely !!! Especially after Red Don ... why is this even a question? thx in advance

66. That's an easy one. If the repugs had had superdelegates, they wouldn't have avoided trump...

10. Good, but not every state reguires you to register as a member of a political party.

98. In California

11. I'm OK with no caucuses, but fuck superdelegates and I prefer open primaries.

13. OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING from NON DEM FRIENDS . No thank you

15. There aren't enough rat fuckers to warrant disenfranchising genuine left-leaning independents.

16. Disenfranchising my arse! LOL! Register Register Register.

28. No need to Register Register Register as a Democrat with open primaries.

41. We disagree.

73. The point is Democrats voting in Democratic primaries. Not ratfuckers try to influence our...

126. "Open primaries and caucuses gave us the divisiveness we experienced in 2016"

149. Short memory? The caucuses that Sanders won were a point of divisiveness. They were...

150. We're bordering on refighting the primary so I'll back off.

33. Yes they do!

19. LOL! That's not what "disenfranchising" means. The price one pays for the vanity of...

27. Disenfranchisement doesn't have to be absolute to be disenfranchising.

52. Oh, stop it! As it applies to THIS topic, there is NO "disenfranchisement" going on when...

142. Exactly. nt

75. If they're allies let them vote Dem in the general. Democrats should pick Democratic candidates.

110. We could do that but we run the risk of alienating our allies

117. Versus allowing our non-allies to pull dirty tricks in voting in our primaries?

125. I don't think requiring D membership is going to stop dirty tricks in primaries.

36. Thank you for saying this!

53. I especially liked how you supported your premise with objective, peer-reviewed analysis

70. wasn't there a recent survey

91. I think neither choice is right.

108. I said many of those 12%

127. Yes, but its possible that none of them were ratfuckers.

121. I'd love to see your source for that "fact."

128. I'm not saying it can't happen in a small district in the south,

141. If you are left leaning, register Dem.

69. Nah, you get right-leaning independents and ratfuckers with open primaries...

93. I agree completely with your points.

140. What is wrong with declaring a party when you register?

144. I suppose I shouldn't expect fierce Democratic party loyalists to understand the ambivalence

145. If you don't like the rules, create your own party.

147. Or we can be inclusive and allow open primaries.

22. NO caucuses, ABSOLUTELY!1 They are a drag on the process, are indeed SUPPRESSION