Bernie Sanders thanks Kamala Harris for endorsing single-payer

[Hassin Bin Sober]

Bernie Sanders thanks Kamala Harris for endorsing single-payer

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348654-bernie-sanders-thanks-kamala-harris-for-endorsing-single-payer

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) thanked fellow Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) on Wednesday for signing on to co-sponsor his upcoming bill to replace America's healthcare system with a single-payer Medicare-for-all system.

The Vermont progressive thanked Harris for calling the single-payer system "the right thing to do," and declared that the Democrats would make healthcare a right, not a privilege.

"Thank you @KamalaHarris for your support. Let's make health care a right, not a privilege," Sanders tweeted Wednesday night.

Snip

Harris' announcement ended weeks of speculation over whether she would sign onto Sanders' proposal. The single-payer system has increasingly gained support among Democrats but Harris' decision is a public break House Minority Leader and fellow California lawmaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D), who said that the time isn't right for such a bill.

[leftstreet]

1. DURec

[dhill926]

2. love it....

[Me.]

3. But Let's Also Remember Who Actually Wrote The BIll

John Conyers

[Hassin Bin Sober]

7. Nope. This is a Senate bill.

You know Conyers is in The House, yes?

[QC]

8. Are you trying to suggest that the House and Senate are separate bodies?

Fascinating!

[beam me up scottie]

10. The hell you say!

They're two different bills for two different houses, who knew?


Bernie has been advocating single payer universal health care since 1993, he cosponsored Conyers' bills when he was in the house and now he introduces his own in the Senate.

Weird, it's almost as though people don't want to give Bernie credit for writing his own bills. It's not like single payer was invented in 2003, the idea has been around a long time.

Thank the FSM for progressive fighters in both the House and Senate!




Probably should add that 'the hell you say' was posted affectionately. The poster I'm responding to is a friend so it's not a personal attack, it's an agreement. We dig sarcasm.

[lapucelle]

132. There is no bill that has been introduced in the Senate.

If there is a proposal, it has not been made public yet. I hope it won't be a re-hash of the Senate bills introduced in the past that rely on individual states to come up with plans rather than on one standard national plan for everyone.

There is no Senate bill yet! Who knew!!!

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S915

[beam me up scottie]

136. ZOMG, the bill hasn't been introduced yet???

Oh, wait, we already knew that. But it just cant be repeated often enough, amirite?

I'm just waiting someone to show up to go on and on about Clinton's plan to distract us from Bernie's single payer bill. But if we want to acknowledge who came up with the idea first we'll have to go all the way back to Truman.

And since neither Bill or Truman are in office any longer we'll just have to rely on Bernie to keep fighting. Good thing he's more than up to it. Kamala must have liked Bernie's idea because she agreed to co-sponsor his bill, so I'll defer to her good judgment. The senators seem to know what they're doing.

I see you also worship the Tentacled One, join me in prayer to the mighty lord:

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[R B Garr]

153. Wait, weren't the "distractions" that Democrats aren't fighting enough for health care?

Yeah. That seems like it was the distraction. Good to know you now acknowledge:

TWENTY-FIVE years of the Clinton administration's fight for health care.

Senator McDermott's single payer bills

John Conyers' single payer bills

All of the above had dozens of Democratic co-sponsors. Wow!

[George II]

202. Well, if we listen to Sanders himself we don't "already know that":

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2017/march/bernie-sanders-to-introduce-single-payer-health-care-bill-in-us-senate

Bernie Sanders to introduce single-payer health care bill in U.S. Senate By Peter Hirschfeld
VPR (Vermont Public Radio), March 25, 2017

Less than 24 hours after the disintegration of a Republican effort to repeal and replace the federal Affordable Care Act, Sen. Bernie Sanders told constituents at a town hall meeting in Hardwick Saturday that he’ll introduce a single-payer health care bill in Congress “within a couple of weeks.”

I thought he introduced it in April.

[George II]

195. I thought it was going to be introduced in April. You mean that never happened?

Last edited Thu Aug 31, 2017, 09:58 PM - Edit history (1)

[R B Garr]

138. Lots of Democrats co-sponsored Conyers' bills. Democrats have been at this for

a long time.

Here's info on the Clinton's Health Care Plan -- Decades ago now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

"Once in office, Bill Clinton quickly set up the Task Force on National Health Care Reform,[7] headed by First Lady Hillary Clinton, to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda. He delivered a major health care speech to a joint session of Congress on September 22, 1993.[8] In that speech, he explained the problem:


'Millions of Americans are just a pink slip away from losing their health insurance, and one serious illness away from losing all their savings. Millions more are locked into the jobs they have now just because they or someone in their family has once been sick and they have what is called the preexisting condition. And on any given day, over 37 million Americans—most of them working people and their little children—have no health insurance at all. And in spite of all this, our medical bills are growing at over twice the rate of inflation, and the United States spends over a third more of its income on health care than any other nation on Earth.'"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

201. Thanks for putting that out... Bernie's been leading the way for Democrats for a long time.

Peeps should give credit where credit is due. I'm happy Kamala has showed up for the party tho! Kudos to her!

[Me.]

9. But It Started With Conyers

Conyers Reintroduces National Single-Payer Health Care Bill

“Today, Representative John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) reintroduced H.R. 676, “The Expanded And Improved Medicare For All Act.” This bill would establish a privately-delivered, publicly-financed universal health care system, where physicians and non-profit health care providers would be in charge of medical decisions — not insurance companies.

“I am pleased to announce the reintroduction of H.R. 676, ‘The Expanded And Improved Medicare For All Act,’ in the 113th Congress. I have introduced the bill in each Congress since 2003 and I will continue to do so until the bill is passed,” said Conyers.”

https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/conyers-reintroduces-national-single-payer-health-care-bill/

[leftstreet]

15. Which everyone ignored for like a hundred years

I remember posting about his bill ages ago

[Me.]

18. INdeed

And I would think honesty would compel that fact to be included in the conversation and high fives.

[uponit7771]

19. +1

[BainsBane]

23. But Conyers isn't on the teeveee

So his bills don't count.

[sheshe2]

33. Sigh...

[LovesPNW]

128. Conyers is a very decent human being

But it's apparent he is not inspiring young people to rise up and be counted - someone else is doing that.

[bettyellen]

141. Were they really there being counted in Nov when it mattered?

Will they suddenly show up in November 18? I hope so, but haven't seen I can count on it.

[BainsBane]

165. Corporate media hasn't invited Conyers to appear

several times a week or to headline prime time specials. It's not like that popularity was spontaneous. It came as rest of media exposure, both free and paid. In another thread, someone even claimed Conyers hadn't been speaking out, because if it's not on cable infotainment, it doesn't exist.

Perhaps you can tell me cue me in on the impact of this inspiration to "rise up and be counted." We certainly didn't see it in voting. 37% of voters 18-34 voted for Trump, with 55% voting for Clinton. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/11/dissecting-the-youth-vote/507416/ The rest voted third party, meaning they chose to plunge the country into fascism, just like their older counterparts. Youth turnout was not up in the 2016 election. It was the same as 2012 and lower than 2008. Youth turnout was up in 2016 party primaries, but far more so in the Republican primaries than in the Democratic ones. In fact, in many states, youth Democratic primary turnout declined in 2016. http://civicyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Youth-Voting-in-2016-Primaries.pdf The major exception to that was NY, which went heavily for Clinton.

Meanwhile, the country continues to descend further into fascism.


As for Conyers, he is representing his constituents, which is what he is elected to do.

[haveahart]

17. Just like everything else...oh, well. I just hope it passes.

[ancianita]

125. Cool. So now Sanders and Harris co-sponsor the bill. I wouldn't mind their campaigning together

on it, as well.

It would be pretty exciting for women, PoC and progressives to finally run the party toward winning again.

[beam me up scottie]

155. I'm sure they will campaign for it, Conyers and Sanders already did a town hall

The fact that Kamala has already agreed to co-sponsor this bill is encouraging, hopefully others will follow and we can get the public's attention on this issue. So sick of the constant focus on Trump's antics, he's had enough attention, we need to play offense now.

[ancianita]

167. Definitely. Take over the stage, since he's leaving it soon. I hope.

[beam me up scottie]

169. Yes, Trump needs to go.

We need to focus on the midterms now so I hope all of our congressmen/women and senators start holding town halls and rallies - take this show on the road! Let the public hear from us instead of Trump and the GOP. The public responds to politicians who speak directly to them and we all know Republicans are too cowardly to face them.

[ancianita]

171. I hope there's a progressive template and a PoC and working class template for these speeches.

Because anything that smacks of corporate establishment politics will turn people away even if the Democrats think they have nowhere to go after agent orange and the barrage of indictments looming ahead.

Dems have got to give these people a younger version of Berniespeak. That's my read.

We need to pull together a list of key content they must directly address and how they plan to address them when they regain the House and Senate.

[beam me up scottie]

172. Good idea, and they should address the needs of each group individually.

Go into the red areas too, especially ones that used to be blue, there's no reason we can't get those votes back.

It's crazy to ignore any demographic, we'll need votes from all of them to win. Bring back the 50 state strategy.

[ancianita]

173. Oh yes! Especially the red areas. Show them the Democrats care about them way more than 45.

Keep the third way dabblers out of this. Make the last platform real. Bring back the Obama messaging techs and out-bot the Koch bot army.

We need one overall message beyond the specifics: 1. everybody in, nobody out. 2. We have these specific plans. We will legislate to provide the five basic human necessities: food, clothing, shelter, clothing, education, health care -- PLUS green infrastructure made in America.

That means something to everyone after the slow jam do-nothing disasters this country's been through.

[beam me up scottie]

178. Well said, excellent ideas.

Give them something to vote for, not just against the other guy. Negative ads can be effective but they tend to leave a bad taste behind, compare and contrast is the key.

And I like your slogan better than the current one, everybody in, nobody out. Or something like that, short and sweet.

[ancianita]

181. ...

[R B Garr]

179. Vermont needs some love to get single payer passed, too.

Let's break the log jam there.

[ancianita]

182. Using the same state-by-state build of pressure gay marriage rights put on Congress.

That might just work. I wonder if Bernie's addressed this about Vermont. He's talked about affording it by bringing home high taxation on corporate offshore money.

Remember how California did the numbers and postponed doing it because it cost way more than even their surplus could afford.

For it to work in a smaller state might depend on how structures and services get streamlined.

[R B Garr]

183. They didn't do the numbers in California. That's the problem.

The whole issue was used more as a club to attack elected Democrats here than in really getting legit numbers in to get it through. Democrats have been attacked enough. California is filled with progressives (they are called Democrats here).

[ancianita]

184. Okay. Mother Jones and Mercury News and DU are my only sources. I forget the details, thought it was

discovered that the state had waay underestimated single payer costs by a factor of three or four.

Democrats, indeed, have been under attack in CA. In FL they're so beaten down it's a wonder any progressives even raise their head.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/single-payer-california-brown-trump/

[R B Garr]

186. Your link is before the Assemblyman rejected it because it didn't adequately address costs.

There were numerous factors to the deficiencies in the bill. Way underestimating it was one factor, but Assemblyman, Rendon, from Los Angeles, said it was more a values statement than it was an actual bill.

Now he is being targeted for a recall from people outside his district. This kind of sniping at good progressives and elected Democrats is getting really old.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-supporters-take-first-1501286283-htmlstory.html

[ancianita]

187. Damn. Is there enough donor money in CA to help, right?

[R B Garr]

188. If it looks like it's just being used to attack other Democrats

rather than for legitimate purposes, that's a problem. Serious thought and planning has to be put into it, which is the hard part. Going on TV for townhalls is the easy part. But attacking elected Democrats for this looks like nonsense and is just ticking people off.

[ancianita]

189. Damn. So much assholery.

[R B Garr]

190. Yes, that's a problem.

[R B Garr]

180. Yes, let's not ignore the blue areas that didn't pass single payer, too.

Vermont

Colorado

California

We'll need every demographic, most definitely. Go into the blue areas, 50-states. Vermont is the smallest,, so we can start there first.

[R B Garr]

161. Yes, maybe Harris can help get it passed in Vermont. I think Vermont is

all white progressives in government, though, and it was squashed. Maybe a California progressive like Kamala can help there with the Vermont progressives.

[Warren DeMontague]

209. I agree, i would love to see SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS and SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS

On stage together fighting for what is IMPORTANT!

Because good progressives stand up together for what REALLY MATTERS.

Good progressives like BERNIE SANDERS and KAMALA HARRIS!

[ancianita]

219. I would, too. But I think it's more important for Bernie to write the campaign script for her and

either of the Castros, Joaquin or Julian, since the party really needs to draw voters from the Latin-American population of the country. Not to mention all the dark money (a necessary evil, given the system as it is) that they'll draw for the campaign from Latino oligarchs.

[lapucelle]

131. There is no Senate bill at the moment and no actual proposal has been made public.

The only single payer/medicare for all bill introduced so far in the 115th Congress is John Conyers' HR 676.

Democratic Congressman Conyers first introduced his Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Act in 2003 and has re-introduced it in every Congressional session since, including in 2017. It has always enjoyed strong Democratic support in the House. It currently has 117 co-sponsors.

WA Congressman Jim McDermott is not currently one of the co-sponsors of HR 676 which may be an indication that he is going to re-introduce what was HR 1200 in the 113th Congress. Both a House and Senate version of the bill were introduced, but there were no co-sponsors for either measure. (Conyers' bill had 63 co-sponsors during that session of Congress.)

As a point of fact, neither the House nor Senate versions of the McDermott bill have had a single co-sponsor the last three times the measures were introduced. House members seem to have had a consistent and strong preference (as evidenced by strong and enthusiastic co-sponsorship) for the Conyers bill for the past 14 years.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/1200

Senate bills S 703, S 915, and S 1782 are all identical senate versions of McDermott's HR 1200 introduced during different sessions of Congress.

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S915

http://www.md.pnhp.org/docs/Comparison-HR676-and-S703.pdf

[George II]

196. We'll have to see how it reads once its finished and released to the press.

[QC]

105. Somebody needs to tell John & Bernie that they're enemies,

because they sure don't seem to know it here:

Or here, at a rally for single payer eight years ago:

[Me.]

134. Nice Try

But if that's how you see them, that's how you see them.

[BigmanPigman]

4. COOL! I will call her (my rep) and say a big THANKS!

I will let my family know so they can do the same. I believe in calling to praise them besides complaining all the time. Positive reinforcement works.

[beam me up scottie]

5. Awesome to see Harris is on board!

Bernie has been advocating single payer universal health care since 1993, he co-sponsored Conyers' Medicare for All bills in the house and has been introducing his own in the Senate for years, glad to see this is becoming more popular among Dems.

[sheshe2]

24. 24years!!!!

[beam me up scottie]

26. That IS a long time for voters to come around, but I'm glad they're with Bernie now!

He's been advocating single payer universal health care since 1991 after all.

But hey, at least more people are on board now!

Awesome! I remember when few supported his other Senate health care bills.

We all want Senator Sanders' bill to get as much support as possible now, right? So hooray for Bernie and Kamala!

[sheshe2]

35. What Bernie Sanders can learn about single-payer from his home state of Vermont

To understand the challenges Bernie Sanders's "Medicare for all" plan would face in the United States, you need look no further for instruction than his home state of Vermont.

In the early 2010s, Vermont made a serious, years-long attempt to build a single-payer system. The state's governor, legislature, and even many hospitals and businesses got behind the effort. When I went to Vermont's capital, Montpelier, in March 2014 to write a long story about the single-payer effort, the working assumption among pretty much everyone I spoke to was that this was it — this time, a single-payer plan would actually happen.

And then it didn't. Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin announced in late 2014 that he would give up on single-payer after budget analysts realized Vermont would need an additional $2.5 billion in tax revenue to pay for the system. That would have required raising the payroll tax by 11.5 percent and income tax by 9 percent.

Vermont's failed single-payer attempt helps explain the difficulties a Sanders administration would face in building a Medicare-for-all system. Like Vermont, the United States would also need a massive tax increase to build a health care system like Canada's.

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/20/10793864/sanders-single-payer-vermont

[beam me up scottie]

38. No need to drag up 2016 articles, we all know Shumlin really screwed the pooch in Vermont.

Bernie is a U.S. senator after all, he can't introduce bills in Vermont or be held responsible for Vermont's failure.

We know how badly Bernie was criticised for his previous Senate health care bills but I'm positive that's all behind us now since Kamala announced her support.

Glad to see so many coming around and supporting Senator Bernie Sanders' bill.

[sheshe2]

45. The article was posted in 2016 about what happened in 2010 and 2014.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the primaries. Not one thing.

One would think that the Senator for VT had a lot to say about that bill in his home state where he is adored and it still could not pass because it was unaffordable.

[beam me up scottie]

48. Yes, the fact that he still hasn't satisfied his critics is all very concerning.

[sheshe2]

50. You alerted me for fighting the primaries on a topic from 2010/ 2014?

[beam me up scottie]

54. Why on earth would you say that?

What an odd statement, I suppose you have evidence that this actually occurred and that I was responsible?

[sheshe2]

55. Lol

[beam me up scottie]

56. Apology accepted!

[sheshe2]

59. ...

[beam me up scottie]

63. Say it with me, Go Bernie! Go Kamala!

Link to tweet

I'm thrilled to see early support for Bernie's bill, Kamala's not a skeptic, she's knows it's not going to be an easy fight but she's all in!

[sheshe2]

66. Go Kamala!!!

You go girl. I love Kamala, she speaks for me.



Harris, who was the first female district attorney in San Francisco and first woman to be elected as California's attorney general, has been asked about so-called "women's issues" plenty in her political career. How does she response to the query?

"OK, I'm so glad you want to talk about the economy."

Harris explained that "It's a woman's issue to care about climate change. It's a woman's issue to want comprehensive immigration reform. It's a woman's issue to think about criminal justice reform (and) It's a woman's issue to care about reproductive healthcare and the affordable care act. It's a woman's issue to care about so many of these things," Harris continued.

"Women are not and should not be relegated to being a stereotype or a trope." Through film, she added, "we have to tell the stories of all that women are and all of our beautiful diversity."

The men and women in attendance cheered.

More! https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/06/14/kamala-harris-women-in-film/102837716/

BOOM!

[beam me up scottie]

68. Indeed! Bernie's policies are very popular with progressive women!

Bernie got a hero's welcome when he stood with women on that cold day in March!

[sheshe2]

71. Yay!!!

[beam me up scottie]

72. You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed that! But wait, there's more!

[sheshe2]

83. Vermont? Sweet.

Washington. Women. We are one.

[Lordquinton]

90. Go Bernie?

Why the Disrespect towards Sanders?

[sheshe2]

92. "Go Bernie"????

Disrespect Bernie????What?????

[Lordquinton]

112. Yep, you got it!

[Me.]

135. OMG Did You Diss Bernie

With Truth?

[sheshe2]

139. And I got called a liar and a troll, me.

[Me.]

140. Guess The Sayin Truth Hurts

still has mileage

[lapucelle]

148. This gives new meaning

to the term "Senate Appropriations Committee".

[Me.]

150. Yeppers

[juxtaposed]

252. you should give it up

[beam me up scottie]

95. Amazing, isn't it, Lordquinton?

I don't get the attempts to erase Bernie's name from this bill, it's bizarre.

[QC]

107. It's almost like there's some sort of lingering childish resentment

of something that happened in the past.

[beam me up scottie]

129. Indeed. Bernie did a bad bad thing.

How DARE he try to get more attention by writing a health care bill? My stars, next thing you know he'll be on the teevee talking about that and other progressive stuff. The nerve of that guy being so popular and all. Hrmph!

[QC]

213. He did a bad thing, George.

[Lordquinton]

113. Truly a spectacle.

Needless division.

[beam me up scottie]

130. This is why we can't have nice things.

Maybe we should start calling it Berniecare.

[George II]

200. More appropriately "Conyerscare".

[Me.]

133. It Is Actually REspect For Conyers And All His Hard Work

[R B Garr]

60. Amazing! This is about John Conyers single payer

bill he's been introducing for 15 years. Nothing about 2016.

[sheshe2]

69. Confussing isn't it. R B.

I have no clue what the 2016 reference was about on something that happened in 2010/2014.

[R B Garr]

53. Yes, exactly. Vermont is such a small state, you would think

he could have dealt with the politicians successfully there first. Interestingly, single payer was also held up in California because no funding info was included in the bill, so it was considered a value statement more than a bill.

Thanks for the informative article about how single payer failed in Vermont.

[sheshe2]

64. You are very welcome R B

I want it for us all. Yet first we need a congress and senate that we do not have. We then need a President that will approve it as well....and we do not. Then we need the money that I hope we will have someday.

I don't want pipe dreams that will not happen at this time. What I want is to take 45 and his fugging staff down. That and only that should be our focus right now. Nothing will happen until we do.

[R B Garr]

75. Yes, I hope this isn't just another divisive wedge issue or

purity test at the expense of elected Democrats.

[juxtaposed]

251. you should give it a rest.

[R B Garr]

126. Oh, druthers, yes. We all know who screwed the pooch over the Clinton's health care in the 90's

Major hopping frogs over the Democrats taking on health care over TWO DECADES ago -- also in the 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
CLINTON HEALTH CARE PLAN OF 1993

"The Clinton health care plan, was a 1993 healthcare reform package proposed by the administration of President Bill Clinton and closely associated with the chair of the task force devising the plan, First Lady of the United States Hillary Clinton.

The president had campaigned heavily on health care in the 1992 presidential election. The task force was created in January 1993, but its own processes were somewhat controversial and drew litigation. Its goal was to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda. A major health care speech was delivered by the president to the US Congress in September 1993. The core element of the proposed plan was an enforced mandate for employers to provide health insurance coverage to all of their employees."

[snot]

253. And that's why Sanders advocates Medicare-for-All instead of single payer.

(They are NOT the same thing.)

[lapucelle]

142. Democrat John McDermott has been introducing actual legislation since 1993.

And John Conyers has been doing it every Congressional. session since 2003. Advocacy in the absence of writing, introducing, and convincing colleagues to support actual legislation isn't particularly meaningful.

[beam me up scottie]

145. That's nice to know but this is Bernie's bill - and now Kamala's too.

I know that's going to make things a wee bit uncomfortable but that's half the fun, isn't it?

[R B Garr]

147. It's only uncomfortable for those who have accused Democrats of

being out of touch regarding fighting for health care.

Oops.

[Ccarmona]

6. Harris is a Senator, Pelosi is the Minority Leader of the House

I'm Not sure why the writer thought he had to throw that into his story, other than they are from California. Unless he's trying to invent a controversy when one isn't there.

[Expecting Rain]

11. Sounds like tomorrow will be Trash-Nancy-Pelosi Day here on DU.

Good thing we've already lambasted Kamala Harris.

[MrsCoffee]

100. Anything to keep the divide alive.

Joust. Parry. Repeat.

[Rob H.]

12. K&R nt

[Lordquinton]

13. Kamilla feels the Bern!

Proud that California is reaching across the country to Vermont.

[sheshe2]

20. The name is Kamala Harris.

Please give her the respect she is due. Why would you disrespect her by calling her Kamilla?

Her name is SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS.

[WoonTars]

25. Actually her NAME is Kamala Harris...her TITLE is Senator...

....

[beam me up scottie]

28. Yes, it's important to correct people.

Thanks!

[sheshe2]

29. Already stated that.

Name and title and did not disrespect her by calling her Kamilla.

[WoonTars]

30. No. You stated that her name was Senator Kamala Harris.

Her first name is Kamala, not Senator.

[sheshe2]

31. You woon me.

Yes, her title. My bad. I see you had no objection to the poster that got her name wrong. Women are often slighted as your friend did, yet that is A OKAY with you.

No need to respond to me. Your message is loud and clear.

[heaven05]

158. WTF

are you saying....all Senators have their Honorable title before their name....and the name was right, by the way.

[R B Garr]

62. So you know Kamilla is not her name.

[sheshe2]

73. Funny that I was the only one corrected.

Does that tell you anything, RB?

[R B Garr]

74. It sure does!

Very noticeable.

[WoonTars]

103. Never said it was...

...

[heaven05]

157. I've come to expect disrespect

of anyone with pigment in their skin or being of a different gender and openly proud and true liberal by certain people from so called progressive, not truly liberal circles and cliques....let that be a guide in how to view people like this.

[WoonTars]

205. I'm sorry, are you talking to me...or making accusations about me?

...

[heaven05]

220. Why would

you think I was referring to you when you showed respect....there ARE many on this thread that HATE Senator Harris just because, some are obviously not sure of the agenda of Senator Harris...others not legit at all......NO accusation...kinda agreeing I would say...but believe what you will...now onto the real business at hand...

[WoonTars]

233. I'm sorry, but with the tone taken in this thread by some it was hard for me to discern intent...

...my apologies..

[heaven05]

235. Not necessary

you are right concerning this thread...but we are experiencing mean times nationally, socially, culturally..... Yet some I know who are true liberals are being unfairly and obviously targeted by certain cliques here that have always sown discord. Can't allow that and the discord over Senator Harris name was an over reaction I think....we have many more pressing problems emanating from 1600....the election for the seat and future of person in question in this thread...is a discussion to be...just as certain discussions concerning people who have not much relevance to our Party's future, except as expert advisors, should just be put to rest and we all concentrate on getting the choke hold the RW has on all three branches of our experimental democracy, released. Have a good one,

[WoonTars]

241. And the same to you...

[sheshe2]

214. Yes!

[beam me up scottie]

237. Yes! Anyone who misspells a name is suspect!

[beam me up scottie]

236. View people like what?

I've come to expect disrespect
of anyone with pigment in their skin or being of a different gender and openly proud and true liberal by certain people from so called progressive, not truly liberal circles and cliques....let that be a guide in how to view people like this.

Does that go for people who misspell Hillary's name too?

[heaven05]

240. I did not

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mention you or any one particular person-tag because they know who they are and what they are trying to accomplish in destroying the true liberals and 'progressives' on the frontline fighting RW racism and ignorance, not those in 'safe' areas sniping and snarking because they are angry or hurt in their past losses....and I wouldn't waste my valuable time doing so regarding certain cliques and circles here that have arisen lately or sprung back again from some distant and totally irrelevant past. Have a good day.

[beam me up scottie]

242. So there is no double standard.

Good to know since it wouldn't be fair to criticize one person for it and not the other. If one is guilty then both are.

And you have a nice day too.

[George II]

199. And neither her name nor her title are Kamilla.

[WoonTars]

206. Never said it was...

....

[Rob H.]

36. "Why would you disrespect her by calling her Kamilla?"

This from someone who constantly refers to Bernie Sanders as "BS."

[beam me up scottie]

40. Right? People misspell my name all the time and I don't think it's disrespectful.

[Rob H.]

44. My middle and last names can be spelled about six different ways each

I learned to just roll with it and politely spell them every time now when I'm asked what they are.

[beam me up scottie]

46. As a woman who's always worked in men's fields I have bigger things to worry about.

If it happens more than once I address the problem and that's usually the end of it. It's not like it was deliberate.

Jeez, if I took offense at simple errors like misspelling my name I would never have earned any respect from my co-workers.

[Rob H.]

52. I've actually been called by the wrong *first* name

On more than one occasion. “‘Philip’? No, I'm Rob.”

[beam me up scottie]

57. That's always awkward. Did you challenge the offending party?

HOW DARE YOU, SIR/MADAM???

[Rob H.]

58. LOL What makes it even funnier

is that it was the first day of classes and the teacher had us do an icebreaker by saying our name, then the names of everyone before us in order as we went around the room. The person two seats after me gets aaaall the way around the room to me, pauses, then says,"Philip, right?" I thought it was hilarious. 😃

[beam me up scottie]

61. That is funny, her mistake probably really broke the ice.

At our 10th high school reunion my girlfriends and I switched nametags, it was hilarious to see the different reactions. Of course we were scolded by the reunion committee, they were not amused.

Some people have no sense of humour.

It's important to keep these things in perspective.

[heaven05]

159. right....

Why. Too lazy to spell it right or too ignorant?

[beam me up scottie]

163. Actually it's because names can be spelled more than one way.

And also because not everyone excels at spelling.

So when someone misspells my name I don't have a cow and accuse them of dissing me. I don't believe that spelling errors are made with malicious intent, that's just absurd.

If you wake up every morning looking for offense you're probably going to find it, whether it actually exists or not.

[sheshe2]

78. Hey Rob.

Here name is Kamala...purposely written as Kamilla. It is disrespect and yet you know that.

BS. It is his initials, Rob. Sorta like calling Hillary Rodman Clinton HRC or just Hill which I do all the time. Yet once again you knew that.

[Rob H.]

81. "It is disrespect and yet you know that."

Is it? Is it really?

As far as the initials excuse goes, I don't buy it. I may have been born in the morning, but I wasn't born this morning.

[sheshe2]

86. So cool how you linked to their post, Rob.

Plus ...I have no issues with auto correct. I tried punching in Kamala's name several different ways and never got Kamilla.

Rob? The initial thing?

Is it? Is it really?

"As far as the initials excuse goes, I don't buy it. I may have been born in the morning, but I wasn't born this morning."

Bernie has been called BS here for over a year...almost two. Now you have an issue? Hill. HRC. BO. PBO. All used here forever. I have no clue what your issues here are...and no clue when you were born.

[beam me up scottie]

226. My autocorrect works on Hillary's name.

[Lordquinton]

230. It's like autocorrect is tuned to the individual

Very socialist program, it turns to each according to their needs. If you have a friend named Kamilla a lot it will save that and change things like it. If you type Kamala a thousand times a day it will try to change everything to it.

[beam me up scottie]

231. You mean autocorrect isn't psychic?

Wow, who knew? So much for "smart" phones.

And magnets, how do they work?

[Lordquinton]

232. For realz

?a416640

[beam me up scottie]

234. Needs video.

NSFW

[heaven05]

160. yes, why yes it is

yesterday morning?

[Warren DeMontague]

210. "Rodman"?

...

[sheshe2]

211. Yes Warren...

For a time she still used the R.

[Warren DeMontague]

212. It's Hillary Rodham Clinton

No relation to Dennis or any other Rodmans as far as I am aware.

[beam me up scottie]

244. Her name is Hillary Rodham Clinton, not Rodman.

That's what the R is for. Didn't you say it was disrespectful to misspell someone's name?

[sheshe2]

245. I love sea lions.

You never answered my response to you a day or so ago.

[beam me up scottie]

247. Why haven't you corrected Hillary's name yet?

[Lordquinton]

215. The name is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Please give her the respect she is due. Why would you disrespect her by calling her Rodman?

Her name is SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON .

[Warren DeMontague]

218. You know, misspelling a name doesn't always imply nefarious motives on the part of the person

making the mistake...



now, what were we discussing in this subthread, again?

[QC]

228. I guess getting her to get me Dennis Rodman's autograph is out of the question.

Damn!

[Lordquinton]

229. Sorry man

Hate to be the ruiner of dreams

[Rob H.]

216. Can't believe I didn't notice 'til Warren pointed it out

Her maiden name is Rodham, not Rodman. See? People make completely innocent typos all the time.

[beam me up scottie]

223. Rodman? You spelled Hillary's name wrong?

After repeatedly claiming that misspelling names is disrespectful?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

224. And then doubled down

I've never seen such disrespect on a Democratic website

[beam me up scottie]

225. That's true, her name was misspelled twice.

And it still hasn't been corrected.

[Warren DeMontague]

243. To quote Popeye

"How Embarass'kin"

[sheshe2]

246. Has Kamilla?

[beam me up scottie]

248. You spelled her name wrong too?

Wow, maybe get that autocorrect fixed, once is enough.

[sheshe2]

249. '''

[George II]

203. He's been referred to by his initials, BS, for years, just as other politicians...

...have been referred to by their initials, like FDR, HST, DDE, JFK, LBJ, RMN, HRC, etc.

There is no reference to a middle name for Sanders anywhere on his web site or in published biographies that I've seen.

One would think that if one was to get into a discussion about a United States Senator, the least one could do is learn her name.

[Lordquinton]

76. Odd you bring up respect

when you've gone out of your way to disrespect Sanders in this thread.

But if you want to get worked up over auto-correct, be my guest.

[sheshe2]

88. When and where did I disrespect Sanders?

PS. You still did not correct Kamala's name.

[sammythecat]

119. Disrespect! Really.

Gotta laugh at some of you people here. It's the only appropriate thing to do.

[beam me up scottie]

27. ZOMGWTFBBQ? YOU SPELLED HER NAME WRONG?

[Rob H.]

39. Crazy how typos are a thing, right?

[beam me up scottie]

42. I no wut yu meen Robbb.

Opps !

[Lordquinton]

82. Autocorrect is the worst form of disrespect

much worse than erasing someone from their own bill.

[beam me up scottie]

84. You noticed the irony too, eh?

I had to teach my autocorrect the right spelling, it took a few tries. I can't believe someone thought that your misspelling was deliberate. You're one of the most dedicated feminists I know, I've never seen you disrespect a woman, not once. You're even respectful of right wing women, fer gawd sake.

[sheshe2]

89. Link?

[Lordquinton]

91. Well, for starters

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9536429

[sheshe2]

93. You linked to my post???

K~

[Lordquinton]

114. ...

Just like you asked.

[beam me up scottie]

94. Sea lion...

There are actually seven species of Sea Lions in the world, but people tend to lump them all into one category. They all belong to a group of animals known as pinnipeds.

Sea Lions are very interesting animals that can end up being extremely large. The males are much bigger than the females which helps them to gain the ability to mate with them because the females will look for the largest males out there to be with.

Sea Lions are found in bodies of water all over the world, but not in the Northern Atlantic Ocean. Many researchers find this to be a very interesting fact. Yet they can’t pinpoint reasons why this is the case. The temperatures are compatible with where some Sea Lions live. There is also plenty of the food that they consume found there.

Some species of Sea Lions live in the sub arctic areas while others live in warmer climates including California. They have long torpedo shaped bodies that are well designed for movements both in the water and on land. All species of Sea Lions are considered to be mammals. This is because they give live birth to their young and the females also nurse the pups with milk they produce in their bodies.

http://www.sealion-world.com

Also see sealioning]

[Lordquinton]

115. That's a bingo!

So transparent, tiring.

[beam me up scottie]

143. Roger that.

I'm of the opinion it's performance art. It has to be. Maybe if we look at it as a form of entertainment it will help.

[Lordquinton]

174. It's a nice way to pass time

Watching the twists and turns.

[beam me up scottie]

175. Drama can be fun!

[sheshe2]

121. So, you are calling me a liar and a troll?

beam me up scottie
94. Sea lion...

Also see sealioning]

Sealioning

A subtle form of trolling involving "bad-faith" questions. You disingenuously frame your conversation as a sincere request to be enlightened, placing the burden of educating you entirely on the other party. If your bait is successful, the other party may engage, painstakingly laying out their logic and evidence in the false hope of helping someone learn. In fact you are attempting to harass or waste the time of the other party, and have no intention of truly entertaining their point of view. Instead, you react to each piece of information by misinterpreting it or requesting further clarification, ad nauseum. The name "sea-lioning" comes from a Wondermark comic strip.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sealioning

Not very nice

[heaven05]

162. yeah

they are doing just that......certain cliques here are worse than HS students, ......I learned early about cliques here and I just disregard them because they are not that important to the overall picture.

[sheshe2]

194. Thanks, heaven.

[Lordquinton]

176. No...

but neither is Sealioning.

[sheshe2]

191. Oh yes indeed, they sure did.

[Lordquinton]

204. That Doesn't even make sense!

[sheshe2]

207. Let me clear it up.

They called me a liar and accused me of being a troll. You saw their post and my response. You even gave them a high five ....so to speak, for their comment to me. Yet you are here saying you have no clue what I am talking about....and none of it makes sense when the facts are there.

BMUS first post to me... please note what they droppen at the bottom of this post.

Sea lion...

Also see sealioning]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029535876#post94

the definition of sealioning....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029535876#post121

Makes perfect sense, it was a not so subtle personal attack. Full Stop.

[George II]

217. Now YOU are saying that someone here is "sealioning", i.e., either....

....clueless or a troll? Which is it sir?

[George II]

197. There are two definitions of internet "sealioning". Which are you using here?

1. Sealioning is the name given to a specific, pervasive form of aggressive cluelessness, that masquerades as a sincere desire to understand.

2. Sea lioning (also spelled sealioning and sea-lioning) is a type of internet trolling.

Are you claiming the person you responded to is clueless? Or a troll?

[sheshe2]

198. Thanks George.

[sheshe2]

96. Well we partially agree.

Erasing Conyers from his own bill is the worst form of disrespect.

[beam me up scottie]

97. Except this isn't Conyers' bill, it's Bernie's.

So that actually never happened, no one erased Conyers' name from Bernie's bill.

In fact everyone including Bernie has gone out of their way to give Conyers credit for his heroic efforts in the house.

But this thread is about Bernie's bill.

[heaven05]

238. I don't think

the feeling the "bern" has anything to do with her signing on to this bill that was initially offered by Rep. Conyers...anyone can see that. But I forget some who feel that the relevance of past elections is now, instead of focusing on viable bills and persons with a chance of stopping the RW now and in the upcoming elections. Period.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Here's Bernie advocating universal health care on the house floor in 1991:

In addition to cosponsoring John Conyers' house bills Bernie also introduced two previous Medicare for All bills in the Senate, once in 2011 and again in 2013.

Just in case anyone thinks he hadn't been promoting this issue since he was first elected.

Go Bernie and Kamala!

[progressoid]

67. Who is that young man?

[beam me up scottie]

70. Right? He's come a long way since he stood alone on that floor.

Hey you!

[progressoid]

85. Hiya!

[BainsBane]

16. Does that mean she is no longer targeted for elimination

by keyboard warriors? Or is she still a "corporate whore" who "slept her way to the top"?

[sheshe2]

21. Interesting question.

I look forward to the replies.

[BainsBane]

22. I'm going to hazard a guess

That said whorishness is unrelated to positions on issues.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. Why are you having heartburn over people giving Harris props for doing the right thing?

You should be happy.

[Expecting Rain]

41. I think some of us remember her being excoriated last week as a neoliberal corporatist...

and frankly it gets old.

Certainly you understand this, yes?

[BannonsLiver]

124. And she will be again if it looks like she's stealing Bernie's thunder

[beam me up scottie]

51. Why are you expected to answer for what other people say on social media?

Wait, do you own the internets? That's you???

[BainsBane]

77. It's the vile racism and misogyny that she has been subject to

that disgusts me, as does the blatant hypocrisy evident in those attacks. I don't care any more about Harris than any other politician. The only reason I even knew to pay attention to her is because of the white nationalist attacks against her. I'm not a person who devotes my life to promoting any politician's career. I find it antithetical to democracy and self-government, but it is unfortunately pervasive across the political spectrum.

I have no doubt that the "props" are short lived. The attacks on Harris have never been about issues, any more than anything else we've seen since the GE has been about issues. It's about power: power, privilege, and reinforcing social hierarchy.

[Vetteguy]

47. Nah they'll just say that

she really isn't black but Indian or something something..

[Barack_America]

49. I was wondering if it meant all of the DU "Harris 2020" crew would turn on her.

Maybe both will do a 180.

[R B Garr]

65. Maybe Kamala can help get it passed in Vermont.

She's very effective and a new face in the Senate.

[BainsBane]

79. And why would you figure that?

Because they care about what actually gets passed? Because they don't share your adoration for a particular politician?

What i wonder is if "progressives" care so much about single payer, why have we seen tens of thousands of threads about Bernie and no more than a handful on healthcare?

[GaryCnf]

99. No, what it means

is that, just like everyone else, Senator Harris is commended for her stands when people agree with them and criticized for her stands when people disagree with them and that doing any less is a disservice to our Party.

That FACT is not changed by lumping EVERY criticism of Senator Harris in with the rantings of a handful of miscreants on another site or GOP talking points.

[BainsBane]

108. Oh really?

I haven't heard of any stands. I've seen people on DU insist she must atone for past sins but refuse to say what those sins are, all while refusing to as much as acknowledge any shortcomings of their own favorite politicians. We saw multiple threads insulting that Harris be criticized, that she was being "anointed" (that's what it's called when women are considered for higher office), yet not ONE reference to any specific issue or action.

[GaryCnf]

117. Yes, really

Except as to a handful of miscreants, no one gives a FRA about Harris's "past." She has had to face criticism over her support for a bill expanding an already passed racist state seizure law which she ALSO supported. She has faced criticism over her defense of California's racist capital punishment system, even while claiming to oppose capital punishment AND even though she clearly felt no obligation to defend Calfornia laws which gored more sympathetic people than death row inmates. She has faced criticism for remaining equivocal on any issue that might offend white folks in the suburbs.

Now, reasonable people might disagree on those issues, BUT it doesn't mean that these criticisms are unfair.

As for some people's accusation that she should be opposed simply because she is "annointed" WHICH I AGREE IS A TOTALLY UNFAIR AND COMPLETE BULLSHIT because just being the establishment favorite doesn't have the first thing to do with whether your policy positions are good or bad, the description that she is "annointed" or "the next Hillary" began years ago and came from her admirers.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

120. +1

You left out the bizarre failure to prosecute Mnuchin's bank and then taking a huge donation from him.

And there we have it. 3 serious policy issues good progressives may OR MAY NOT have with her as a potential future leader of the party.

But we wouldn't even be mentioning them in this happy thank you thread if people didn't show up here to grind their own axes over some previous butt hurt. This is why we can't have nice things.

[R B Garr]

127. Bank fraud?

Kamala's not under investigation, so that's a win.

[Me.]

137. Well Thank God She Didn't Destroy A College

Can you imagine what people would say

[Hassin Bin Sober]

144. What does that even mean? Who is accusing her of destroying a college?

????

[R B Garr]

146. It's on the Google.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

149. You seriously have a problem with her shutting down a fraudulent for-profit College?

http://kron4.com/2015/04/29/abandoned-students-lash-back-at-attorney-general-over-heald-college-shut-down/

Abandoned student lash back at Kamala Harris over Heald College shut down

[R B Garr]

151. Harris was a kick-ass Attorney General.

She has a record to be proud of.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/honey-youve-been-scammed-she-was-told-she-lost-her-home-of-30-years/


"The scam ensnared people across the country, although one co-conspirator said in an interview with investigators that Araya avoided California out of fear of then-Attorney General Kamala D. Harris, who is now a U.S. senator."

[Me.]

168. No One

[BainsBane]

122. Yours is the first I've seen mention any issue

and there have been many threads about her on DU. Not that it's specific, but it does identify an area of disagreement. I have no position on her potential candidacy. No one is running for president now (at least they shouldn't be), and I won't make any decision about who to support until shortly before my state primary. But I do find it ironic that people claim outrage about some things while ignoring or even defending the environmental racism of Sierra Blanca and vote for the Minutemen. Just like charges of corporatism conveniently exempt the gun industry, defense, and big sugar.

How have you decided she is the "establishment" favorite? Because you read one of those miscreants on Twitter say so? And what exactly is the "establishment"? Considering I've seen people with shit loads of money regularly insult the poor as "establishment," I tend to not put such stock in those terms. In fact, what I see is the use of terms like establishment, centrist, and progressive as obfuscation for power grabs by a group whose wealth and privilege averages well above those they regularly insult with the labels that comprise the entirety of their political analysis. When single women on welfare are insulted as the "establishment," while millionaires who have been in DC for three or four decades have not, something is seriously wrong.

I'll point to one example of the gaping hypocrisy that turns my stomach. One percenter Nomiki Konst is quoted in a number of different articles talking about how Harris, as a black woman, needs to address poverty and economic equality. Meanwhile, Konst is using her position on the DNC unity commission to try to expand the caucus system, a system with THE lowest voter turnout, which excludes shift workers, the poor, the elderly, the disabled, and women with childcare obligations, and has the lowest participation rates by voters of color. It is a disenfranchisement effort, identical to GOP voter ID laws in that it targets the exact same populations for the exact same reasons. Now, I understand principles of equal rights and voting rights are insignificant compared to engineering power grabs by the right sort of people, but I find the values revealed in such efforts repugnant. That is just one of many reasons why I don't for a second believe one solitary word of the rhetoric about equality, which are always accompanied by efforts to undermine equality, both economic and legal, and roll the clock back 50-75 years.

But what would I know. I'm part of the ash heap of history, as you informed me. The future belongs to the bourgeoisie, determined to restore the "party of FDR." Because nothing says anti-corporatist like lionizing a president born to aristocracy who made a fortune as a Wall Street financier (and of course we're supposed to ignore Jim Crow and lynchings because they just aren't important enough). That even violates the prevailing, extremely narrow definition of corporatist that exclude the merchants of death and virtually every industry except finance. But hey, if it keeps the wrong sort of people out of power, that's all that matters.

[Me.]

170. Dear Ash Heap

.... .... ... ...

[GaryCnf]

192. Lord. Frank L. Baum would have been envious

First Paragraph:


Since you didn't seem to know what specific issues are being raised by people like me who are not enthralled with Senator Harris , it does not surprise me how little you know about how every day Sanders supporters feel about some of his past positions.

Regarding the "Community Protection Act of 2006," I was appalled both by Sanders' vote and by his explanation. Moreover, I was disappointed by the needless political pandering. I personally favor open borders.

Regarding Sierra Blanca, the accusation is pure politics and the use of the term "environmental racism" is part of a meme which helped us lose the election. Sanders supported an interstate compact (meaning it required TEXAS to agree) to allow Vermont to dump waste which could not be safely stored in the Vermont or elsewhere in the Northeast amounting to less than 10% of the total waste being dumped. The dump was being built regardless. The vote had ZERO to do with whether the dump would be built. No basher has ever said what should have been done with the waste as an alternative.

Regarding the gun industry, I'm not going to refight the primary with you as much as I know you would love to, AND I will add that I was not pleased with even Sanders' MINIMAL support for the gun industry and have no problem criticizing it.

Regarding the F-35, I don't pretend to be a supporter of our overblown military and even though he was doing his job by bringing jobs that were going SOMEWHERE to Vermont, disapprove of that position as well. At some point, we just have to stop trying to dominate the world with military might.

Regarding big sugar, more politicking, more refighting, won't join in. Suffice to say there is plenty of sugar to go around.


Second Paragraph:

Then-California Attorney General Harris was designated the heir apparent to Secretary Clinton years ago AND IT WASN'T LEFTISTS WHO DID IT. It was people who admired her political savvy. You repeating the LIE that it is a smear from leftists doesn't change that. As for those people who claim that being "the next Hillary" disqualifies Senator Harris, I already said they are FULL OF IT and COMPLETELY AGREE with you that this is just repeating an infantile "establishment=bad" mantra in lieu of actually talking about policy.

Since I disapprove of the establishment=bad idea in the first place, how "establishment" is defined may not be that important BUT let me say I again AGREE that NOT including middle of the road male politicians who've been in Washington for years in our definition of "establishment" while at the same time including middle of the road female politicians who have not grown roots in DC is patent. misogyny. Aside, given Senator Harris's recent positions, I would hesitate from calling her "establishment" under ANY definition. So, not only do I disapprove of using the term as a pejorative, I don't think it is accurate.

Third Paragraph:

The caucus issue is bullshit, but not nearly as much as is the accusation that supporting caucuses is an attempt to exclude truly oppressed voters from choosing our candidates. Moreover, it's part of the same meme that contributed mightily to our defeat. Primary elections are better than caucuses when it comes to encouraging participation BUT, when it comes to oppressed groups, whether it's 1 hour to get to the polls to vote, or 5 hours to sit around at a caucus, TRULY oppressed groups don't have the time and/or opportunity to participate in EITHER process -- just like they don't have the time or opportunity to participate in the GE. This isn't about the oppressed groups. If it were, we'd be advocating that primaries elections be run with the same openness we are demanding for general elections. Same day registration, automatic registration, vote by mail, remote location voting, et cetera. (You know, ENCOURAGING turnout) AND WE ARE NOT.

Fourth Paragraph:

And now we get to the ultimate straw man, FDR. I don't lionize FDR and it not just because I am black. I am a Marxist and FDR's ultimate goal was to maintain capitalism by making it less onerous. It is impossible to both maintain capitalism and achieve any semblance of social justice and I can start with 60 Trillion reasons why. That is why a huge percentage of the heroes of the civil rights movement, including my mentors with the BPP, as well as King, El-Shabazz and others were also Marxists. You are just going to have to talk about MY views.

As for centrism being part of history, Ms. Harris has already shown that more clearly than I could ever dream of doing.

Sorry if this doesn't fit your stereotype.

Edited to add: I wanted to add that I know full well that I and the other black Marxists who came to political awareness in the late 60s are even more a part of the dustbin of history than centrism. Such is progress.

[heaven05]

222. I do like

just the fact of a left of center Senator Harris and hopes she at least one day tosses her hat into the big ring. Whether she would stand a chance would require a sea change of mentality in our Party. IF she turns out to be the most viable candidate of our Party against whatever horror the GOP raises from the pits of Hades, then I will be all in for her...yet I know that even here, her color and gender will be vilified. Period.

[heaven05]

221. this++++!!

[tammywammy]

32. Has the Senate bill been introduced? n/t

[jillan]

37. They're on break. Bernie is planning on introducing it when they get back...

Can't Wait!!

[beam me up scottie]

43. +1

[murielm99]

185. Oh, you mean it has been written?

Who wrote it?

[JCanete]

80. good on Harris! This kind of decision certainly makes me look at her optimistically as part of the

future leadership of our party. We're at a crossroads with this type of legislation that means it would be hard to just pay lip service to this and not appreciate that while this bill might not pass, a couple years from now another one might come to the fore. Hopefully her advocacy now means this isn't just the kind of lip-service we've gotten from some of our dems in the past, and that she isn't going to have a change of heart should something like this actually threaten to become law.

[arthritisR_US]

87. He never misses an opportunity.

[disillusioned73]

102. Since 1991..

[ms liberty]

98. Good. K&R. n/t

[disillusioned73]

101. This might make for some uncomfortable folks..

[QC]

104. Yes, I suspect that people who considered single payer the very height

of lazy whippersnappers free stuff tomfoolery just yesterday will now tell us that it's the best thing since PB&J.

It's all about the team.

[disillusioned73]

109. And another point that has been ignored..

does this mean Kamala will push for single payer in her home state of California?? SB562?? Since the Dems have complete control there?? Asking for a friend

That would be awesome sauce!!

[QC]

110. Well, I learned right here on DU that senators are supposed

to be able to single-handedly impose policies on their home states, so it would stand to reason that California will soon have single payer.

[disillusioned73]

111. Good news..

first domino down, Thanks Kamala

[ismnotwasm]

106. Kamala Harris for president!

Really liking what I'm seeing from her, and she doesn't reduce and dismiss complex social justice issues to "identity politics"

[BannonsLiver]

116. +1 KAMALA!!!! HARRIS!!!!

[Orsino]

239. Let's do that thing.

I could probably be picky, but somehow this year doesn't feel like the time for that.

[SMC22307]

118. Bernie and Kamala are class acts.

Some in this thread could learn a thing or two...

[JonLP24]

152. +1000

This thread is a shitshow.

[beam me up scottie]

154. +1,000,000

[R B Garr]

156. Yes, Kamala is not the neoliberal corporatist that some were trying

to peg her as before this news. That is a very classless thing to say about good Democrats.

[Eliot Rosewater]

166. Kamala is a great Democrat. Very top shelf. I will work myself

to exhaustion for her if she runs for Prez.

I will defend her AGGRESSIVELY here and anywhere with any criticism of her, because you see most criticism of her or in the past of Barack, for instance, at a time of importance like running for office is based in one very simple thing.

[R B Garr]

193. Yes, she is a solid Democrat in every way. And, yes, the nits that they try

to pick with her are only because of one thing. No more smearing good Democrats.

[LostOne4Ever]

123. K&R nt

[hunter]

164. I ignore Bernie Sanders as best I'm able.

Keeps me out of trouble here. I couldn't do it this post. I'll probably regret it.

I'm a Kamala Harris Democrat.

[Eliot Rosewater]

177. Huge fan of Kamala, myself; hell, I am a huge fan of DEMOCRATS in general.

[Expecting Rain]

227. Me too. Fan of Kamala Harris and fan of DEMOCRATS in general.

[Warren DeMontague]

208. Kick and rec for Senator Sanders and Senator Harris- fighting for us!

[Willie Pep]

250. I am liking Kamala Harris more and more.

She could be a force to be reckoned with very soon.