Do you think anyone will serve prison time?...

[Locut0s]

I'm not asking who deserves prison time, most of the people connected to Trump do IMHO. But if you think anyone will serve prison time when this is all said and done? Just listening to Keith Olbermann's latest resistance piece. Technically Trump could pardon everyone. That would hopefully spell the end of his presidency of course, but he could. Do you feel that anyone will serve time?

[SweetieD]

1. No. At least no one names who we know. Maybe an assistant or a lower level person.

[Locut0s]

2. I agree. That really says something terrible...

About our modern society. Getting away with murder isn't new of course, but not on a scale like this, not politically. And once a precedent like Trump has been set you can't go back. If people don't serve time then there isn't much incentive for whoever come later down the road not to do this all over again. That's just asking for a real dictatorship at some point.

[Angry Dragon]

7. the pardon of Nixon set the stage

Ford basically told the country that the powerful had different rules and laws
and people felt that if the president didn't have to follow the law why should they

[Wellstone ruled]

3. After Reagan adminstration left the stage.

believe there were something like 75 people who hit the jail cells or received extended probation. This was the after math of iran Contra investigations.

[JimGinPA]

4. Yes

I do. Too many people, from too many agencies, are spending too much time and too much money for this to be a fruitless investigation.


"Lock them up!"

[MLAA]

5. Yes, RICO...money laundering

[Not Ruth]

6. Manafort is guaranteed to go to jail

[patricia92243]

9. I don't thing so. He is going to sing like a bird in exchange for imunity. n/t

[Skittles]

8. yes

[grantcart]

10. Not on federal charges but because it is likely to go into money laundering and

come into jurisdiction of NY State

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article470.htm

Some key phrases

"Conducts" includes initiating, concluding or participating in
initiating or concluding a transaction.


(u) persons involved in real estate closings and settlements;

financial transactions may be considered together and the value of the
property involved may be aggregated, provided that the transactions are
all part of a single "criminal transaction" as defined in subdivision
two of section 40.10 of the criminal procedure law.


A) promote the carrying on of criminal conduct; or
(B) engage in conduct constituting a felony as set forth in section
eighteen hundred three, eighteen hundred four, eighteen hundred five, or
eighteen hundred six of the tax law; or
(ii) Knowing that the transaction or transactions in whole or in part
are designed to:
(A) conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the
ownership or the control of the proceeds of criminal conduct; or
(B) avoid any transaction reporting requirement imposed by law; and
(b) The total value of the property involved in such financial
transaction or transactions exceeds five thousand dollars; or
2. Knowing that one or more monetary instruments represents the
proceeds of criminal conduct:
(a) he or she transports, transmits, or transfers on one or more
occasions, monetary instruments which in fact represent the proceeds of
specified criminal conduct:
(i) With intent to promote the carrying on of criminal conduct; or
(ii) Knowing that such transportation, transmittal, or transfer is
designed in whole or in part to:

The state prosecution will allow them to pressure lower level participants with real criminal time that cannot be pardoned. They will flip and testify up the chain. The recent revelation that they were cooperating with NY State AG is the most significant when it comes to developing a strategy to work around pardons.

Ironically I think Arpaios' pardon will work against the President because it is going to motivate all of the actors to work together. Its pretty clear that money laundering has been going on for some time. It probably never occurred to Trump (and many others) that laundering charges could result from Russian investments.

[rock]

11. Yep