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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have painstakingly compiled a list of presidents worse than Donald Trump. Please click to see.
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)It would be that many.
imanamerican63
(13,727 posts)underpants
(182,591 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Wow, that comes close to saying something nice about him.
FarPoint
(12,282 posts)We are so drowning in the Swamp.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Bush would think about pinching the waitress in the ass but ultimately decide not to. Trump would go ahead and do it and start a bar room fight.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)You know which part. Then start kissing because he just can't help himself. But it is okay because they let him do that. When you are a star, they let you do what you want.
Sure they do, Donnie. They can't resist your touch, can they?
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)on her waist, let it slide down over her ass until his fingers came to rest on her inner thigh.
(Takes a woman to know the moves of scumbags)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)I have to question the self respect of any woman who supports him.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He stood on a rubble and brought the country together for a short time.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)We might have seen our own Kristallnacht with Muslims as this century's victims.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,578 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 1, 2017, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)
he'd have talked only about the damage to his properties and how he was going to rebuild them and they would be beautiful, the best hotels.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Kinda shaking my head at this thread. Trump's a sack of shit, but he isn't awash in the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents (yet).
How quickly we forget.
mucifer
(23,474 posts)So in that regard for now trump is better than w. Also, katrina.
That said there are plenty of worse things trump has done than w.
dalton99a
(81,391 posts)leftstreet
(36,097 posts)syringis
(5,101 posts)...you go back in History very far in the past, everywhere in the world, it will be hard to find worse than Trump...
I kept searching, the only ones I found where not presidents but imperors...
I went back till Roman Empire : Caligula, Tiberius, Nero...
And still, not as bad as the current phenomenon
Leith
(7,807 posts)he doesn't turn into Genghis Khan.
syringis
(5,101 posts)But if you mean Trump pursues a sort of scorched earth policy, than yes, he has already started.
Destroying whatever he can, especially if it is an Obama's achievement.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Honestly, we're going to have to wait until he's out of office to make that comparison.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Trump would have inflamed them.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)I'd take Nixon's worst day in a heartbeat over this jerk.
But Buchanan really kept the nation on the path to civil war and hundreds of thousands dead. That's a heck of a yardstick to beat in 8 months.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)People aren't chattel whose very freedom can ever be a bargaining chip.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Trump is certainly setting the Presidential standard for incompetence and corruption, but 8 months in I don't think he's passed Buchanan. And I want to be clear that Trump started by undermining the foundations of the democratic process in a way Buchanan didn't.
Let's put it this way: If Trump falls over dead with a heart attack tomorrow, I'm not convinced the damage he's done would be more than the damage Buchanan wrought in four years. He's on track for it, but I don't think we can genuinely say he's there yet. And if he does die or resign tomorrow, Pence will start his own quest to zoom past Buchanan, but that's another question.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Would you agree that Trump has the worst character of all our presidents?
Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson come close but we must judge them within the context of their era.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)I've said at least twice here I think Trump is the worst human being ever to occupy the Oval Office. Johnson was bad enough, but Jackson was a complete SOB, although he had a level of integrity Trump can't even comprehend, let alone aspire to. Nixon was the worst of my lifetime when this year started, but that's a fond memory at this point. Guys like Harding and Grant seem to have done better at collecting scoundrels than being one themselves.
Frankly, I do think the only thing Trump needs to pass Buchanan on the worst President list is time. I just don't think he's had enough yet.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Joe on a national scale, with Muslims & Hispanics, tent cities or worse.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)And of course a major reason the courts shot him down is because the moron said publicly he wanted to to illegal things.
But attempted/potential evil is one thing. To pass Buchanan you have to actually accomplish negative things. Give him time.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,148 posts)Because I think Trump carries both to the table.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,578 posts)a narcissistic asshole who violated every norm of human decency. Trump, however, does have that special quality going for him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,578 posts)The criticism of Buchanan is mainly based on his acceptance of slavery in the southern states and his belief that he didn't have the power to do anything about it. He basically sat on his ass and passively let secession and the Civil War happen. https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/james-buchanan-why-is-he-considered-americas-worst-president/ He also appears to have leaned on the Supreme Court to decide the Dred Scott case the way they did in order to have a "bipartisan" result, and his inaction on economic issues contributed to a near-collapse of the economy. It seemed that every time he did make a decision it turned out to be the wrong one. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-worst-president-james-buchanan-214252
Buchanan, despite his stellar resume, seems to have been spectacularly inept and passive in the face of crises - but as far as one can tell, he was not intentionally destructive. He was also not an egomaniac whose decisions were motivated by nothing more than self-aggrandizement and self-enrichment. I think the ghost of James Buchanan is already partying in the White House attic with fellow bad presidents Franklin Pierce and Warren G. Harding.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)And I think we all know who probably thinks the Dred Scott decision had many sides. I'd also add Hoover to the list of Presidents with awesome resumes and nightmarish administrations.
In all candor, we're eight months in and IMO there's a serious argument about whether he's worse than the guy who set the stage for civil war. I just think we're going to have to wait to see how it really shakes out to make that call. Consider Grant's administration. It was held together with chewing gum and a couple of staples, but it wasn't really stressed by external challenges the way a Hoover Administration was. The challenges facing Trump are not encouraging, but I think he has to actually fail them before we can definitively call him worse than Buchanan.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,578 posts)screws the pooch in his capacity as president, or whether he is a completely horrible human being. While it may be too soon to evaluate the damage Trump has done/will do as president, it is incontrovertible that he is a horrible human being, probably the worst person ever to hold the office. And it is likely that his personal awfulness will wreak enormous damage because he combines it with vast ineptitude and ignorance.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)And I see no reason for optimism. But I think he has to actually wreak that damage before we can call him worse than Buchanan.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)He also felt bad about doing wrong even as he did wrong.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)But I'm 46. Say what you will about Iran-Contra or the Iraq war, Watergate was the modern standard for Presidential corruption until Trump.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)kimbutgar
(21,040 posts)Teapot dome scandal ( looks quaint now ) fathering a child outside of his marriage ( nan Britton)but that is tame compared to twitler.
SCantiGOP
(13,862 posts)He was - relative to his time - somewhat progressive.
Most of the scandals occurred after he died and, while he may have been complicit and there is no doubt he was personally corrupt, involved his staff.
Buchanan, Nixon and Bush are, in my opinion, way worse than Harding.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Wilson tried to kick African Americans out of the civil service.
SCantiGOP
(13,862 posts)Most people know that he was President of Princeton, so a northern college professor should be a liberal, right? But it is usually our early beginnings that define us.
Wilson was born in Virginia in 1856, and his family moved to Augusta, GA. His father was a minister and was instrumental in splitting the Presbyterian Church into Northern and Southern factions in 1861. He served as a chaplain in the CSA. In 1870 they moved to Columbia SC for four years, when Woodrow was 14-18 years old and the South was occupied by US troops during the Reconstruction.
If there was any doubt about his loyalties, it should be noted that he arranged for a private screening of "The Birth of a Nation" at the White House. The movie was a celebration of the necessity for and morality of the founding of the KKK. He was probably the most pro-Confederacy President since Jefferson Davis.
TheBlackAdder
(28,163 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)They are just too stupid, ignorant or just plain hateful racist to know it yet.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)bleedinglib
(212 posts)a multi-million $$$$ library for the book "Peter the Goat"
Forrest trump has a problem, having never read any books ???
I know? he can build an aviary? you know
TWEET, TWEET
sandensea
(21,596 posts)someone's scouting locations for the Trump Presidential LIEbrary.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)( blank space) is better and more qualified... And a hell of a lot easier to look at.
sandensea
(21,596 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)No. I detested W a lot. But even he can't come close to the venal blob of soulless evil that is the MAGAt. ( maggot).
He truly is the worst person in some sort of authority in the world.
sandensea
(21,596 posts)Except a) Cheeto (luckily) is just too inept to get most of his craven agenda through. Dubya, on the other hand, was personally inept; but had a top-notch crew of log-rollers and Macchiavellis.
and b) there's been no 9/11, no Iraq/Aghani invasions (or the equivalent), or $20-trillion Wall Street collapse - yet.
Most of those caveats, of course, are owed simply to the fact that Cheeto has only been in office 7 months. By 2020, he may very well end making Dubya look like Bill Clinton.
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)It's funny but it's not, ya know?
niyad
(113,038 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Turbineguy
(37,285 posts)exhausted!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)President Idi Amin
President Saddam Hussein
I'm struggling to find more that actually had the title 'president' - Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao didn't, as far as I can tell. I guess there have been a few more genocidal ones.