Feinstein: "Trump is honest and I look forward to working with him."

[ehrnst]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/

Oh wait. Wasn't Senator Feinstein, so clearly, that's not what he meant at all, and are totally missing the IF in that subject line. He's not going crazy, he's not pandering, and he's not being "opportunistically ambivalent" at ALL!!

It's DIFFERENT!!

Just imagine if she was hawking a book at town halls....

[Madam45for2923]

1. Hahaha!!! Yep, different. and very Sincere. No agenda. Just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!

[beam me up scottie]

59. Where does that quote appear in the article?

I read it and that's not in there, did the op link to the wrong article?

[Autumn]

65. It doesn't, the quote was made up because someone, somewhere took offense to Feinstein's out

of context comments because her actual words upset them . In Double Standard World one must make up something, attribute it to Bernie because ...outrage or what the fuck ever justifies a lie about Bernie, who I am sure if he knew would call someobne an idiot for taking Feinsteins words out of context . It seems some people lack reading and comprehension skills which must be Bernies fault. Go figure.

[beam me up scottie]

66. So this is fake news?

I guess I should be surprised but sadly, I'm not. I've tried to avoid the threads about Feinstein because she clarified her remarks and it's been discussed to death, but dragging other senators into the mess and falsely attributing quotes to them is only going to harm our credibility.

I hope no one cites DU as a source for this fake Feinstein quote.

[Autumn]

67. What Feinstein said makes perfect sense.A lie about Bernie? Not so much.

Yes fake news or a lie, it's the same thing.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. You mean the made up quote that Sanders never said?

[Atticus]

2. Huh? nt

[Madam45for2923]

3. I raise you a huh! and an nt nt too.

Atticus
2. Huh? nt

[ehrnst]

4. See posts saying "Feinstein: Trump can be good president." (nt)

[beam me up scottie]

60. Why is that quote not in the article you cited?

"Trump is honest and I look forward to working with him"

I don't understand where that quote came from, it's not in the Atlantic piece, did you link to the wrong article?

I even tried doing an internet search and all that came up in the results is this thread.

[LostOne4Ever]

79. Hours later and not a single source...it's like they made it up!

[beam me up scottie]

57. Huh is right, that quote isn't in the article.

Someone pointed that out in the other thread so I read the artlcle and they were right, Bernie never actually said those words.

They weren't taken out of context or abbreviated, that quote isn't in there at all

Maybe they linked to the wrong article?

[left-of-center2012]

5. This is from 10 months ago

Where is the relevance?

[jalan48]

7. We've entered a twilight zone where time is suspended.

[ehrnst]

11. And double standards are upheld... (nt)

[R B Garr]

48. +1000

!!!!!!

It is curious to see the continued efforts to insist on a linear and strict context defense of anything said by non-Democrats, while completely excoriating anything said by actual Democrats.

[NurseJackie]

55. Amen! Ain't that the truth?!

[Warren DeMontague]

74. you mean double standards like normally it's not cool to make up quotes and attribute them?

[ehrnst]

9. Search DU for "Feinstein: Trump can be good president."

It will become clear.

Spoiler - her comments were much more recent than 10 months ago.

[George II]

20. And her comments were more expansive than the half-sentence that has been posted over and over again

[ehrnst]

25. Get out. (nt)

[rock]

6. There seems to be missing a few words after "honest"

Mainly, "-ly the biggest dumb fuck I have ever seen".

[melman]

8. Don't you realize

people can click the link and see it doesn't really say what you say it says?

[ehrnst]

10. Judging by the outrage over "Feinstein: Trump can be good president"

Even when people do click on the link, they still don't get that it doesn't really say what the subject line says...

[NurseJackie]

26. Ha!! :-D

[Iggo]

12. Bullshit.

[ehrnst]

13. It's a mirror held up to the bullshit going on over Feinstein. (nt)

[Iggo]

14. No. It's just bullshit. (n/t)

[ehrnst]

15. I guess not everybody gets it. (nt)

[sheshe2]

21. I got it. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

76. We better all get it unless we want the GOP to gain MORE house and Senate seats.

[sheshe2]

77. Some of us do...

let's just hope the rest do before 2018.

[uponit7771]

34. I got it, but Finstein is a woman we've seen over and over they're treated differently

[R B Garr]

49. I definitely got it.

Thank you. Another in a long line of double standards exposed.

[NurseJackie]

58. You would be correct about that...

... even elsewhere, in the subthread that inspired this OP, that phenomenon continues. It's irritating, but funny too (in a sad pathetic way). I can't decide if I should laugh or cry. But I'm leaning more toward laughter. But it's more like the kind of laughter that's tinged with an echo of pity.

[Autumn]

33. You are wrong. A mirror shows an image, that shows something entirely different.

It shows you. That's how a mirror works. When you look into a mirror you don't see someone else's face, you are seeing yours.
Nowhere in that article did Bernie say Trump was honest. You didn't take out of context what Bernie said, the way many here did to Feinstein. You had to make up a lie to make up a headline lying about Bernie. Your post is a reflected duplication of you, you are highlighting your own dishonesty.

"Trump is honest and I look forward to working with him." Oh wait. Wasn't Senator Feinstein

, and clearly it wasn't Bernie Sanders either

This is the article you linked to in your OP and this is what Bernie said from that article.

Mr. Trump said, unlike many Republicans, the vast majority of Republicans, he said that he will not cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Now, I believe we should expand Social Security … but that is what he said, and pay attention to see what he now does. The question that will be resolved pretty quickly is whether or not everything that he was saying to the working families of this country was hypocrisy, was dishonest, or whether he was sincere. And we will find that out soon enough. But No. 1, no cuts, says Mr. Trump, to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, that’s what you said on the campaign trail, that’s what we look forward to seeing from you.

I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage … is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.

Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him.

Mr. Trump has said he wants six weeks of paid maternity leave. Every other major country on Earth, I think, has at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, but this is a start. We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that.

Mr. Trump said throughout his campaign—the cornerstone of his campaign was to change our disastrous trade policies. As someone who voted against every one of these trade policies, I look forward to working with him.

[ehrnst]

39. Actually, I was pointing out what applying the Fienstein filter to Sanders would look like.

Nowhere in that article did Feinstein say Trump was a good president.

By applying the same filter to a statement by Sanders about DT, I showed the vast difference in the way that the two Senators were being treated.

Is that clearer?

[Autumn]

46. Bernie never said Trump was honest, in contxt or out. He never said Trump could

grow and become a good president. Your OP is stating that Bernie said the equivenlent of the things Feinstin said that people took out of context. He didn't say what you said he said. You had to make up, or lie if you will, about what Bernie said in the article to fit your filter.

To be clearer, if you want to apply the Fienstein filter to Sanders you should find something that he actualy said instead of making something up as you did in your OP and post that link in your little experiment.

People taking Feinsteins words out of context is a nasty thing to do, lying about what she says to make a point would be even nastier, and that is what you did to Bernie with your OP. Wouldn't you find it outragous if those people were posting things she never said? That's the problem with your filter.

[ehrnst]

61. Again... When the "if" is left out you have

subject lines: "Trump be a good president" instead of “The question is whether he can learn and change, If so, I believe he can be a good president.”

And

"I look forward to working with him" and "he is honest." instead of

"We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that."

Is that clearer?

Sanders left open the possibilty that Trump could be honest, and he could look forward to working with him, in the way that Feinstein left open the possibility that Trump could be a good president.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. did someone make up a quote and attribute it to DiFi, too?

I must have missed that.

[USALiberal]

80. Very informative reply! Thanks! n/t

[NurseJackie]

16. Fascinating, isn't it?

[Expecting Rain]

17. Are you suggesting the attacks on DEMOCRATIC Senator Dianne Feinstein

are disingenuous and hyocritical smears of the sort that have no place on a forum whose purpose is to support DEMOCRSTS?

[FreepFryer]

19. Heaven forfend! (n/t)

[ehrnst]

24. I hear Goody Proctor whisper that she was once in the DLC!

PRIMARY THE WITCH!!!

[Expecting Rain]

28. Perfectly timed reference as we are re-reading The Crucible this week...

With our Middle School son.

They are all witches!

[George II]

18. Secretary of State Clinton will be appearing at Riverside Church on Thursday, and all proceeds.....

....from the $75 admission fee will go to Camp Olmsted, which benefits NYC neighborhood children.

[ehrnst]

27. That admission fee is just more proof of her corruption.

[Expecting Rain]

29. And that church is a little too close to Wall St.

[ehrnst]

30. Indeed. (nt)

[woundedkarma]

22. DU and the democratic party has become ...

Like one of those criminal movies. Where everyone is suspicious of everyone else. Then someone sneaks up on someone else, pulls a gun out and shoots at someone across the room. Everyone pulls out their guns and starts shooting each other.

In the end, the only person left standing is the one who shot the first bullet.

I'll give you one guess who that person is. It's not trump.

It is amazing to watch. And very scary. Before this last election, people disagreed on small (and maybe a couple bigger) things but, overall, everyone was moving in the same direction.

[ehrnst]

23. Pointing out the double standard applied to the most recent target

will hopefully enlighten everyone who has been trigger happy.

[uponit7771]

35. +1

[R B Garr]

52. Yes, I think I know who the not-Trump person is. It's tiresome being

forced to watch the charade.

[Trust Buster]

31. I thought it was against the rules to disparage Democratic figures ?

Does that rule only apply to Bernie ? #hypocrisy stinks

[NastyRiffraff]

37. Of COURSE it does!

It's blasphemy to criticize a cult leader, even mildly.

[grantcart]

38. Sen Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party.

[Ms. Toad]

64. Tell that to Skinner.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=12852

Having said that, our rules disallow bashing of Democratic public figures, including allies like Bernie Sanders.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. Skinner: "For all intents and purposes, Bernie Sanders is a Democrat. (nt)"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125912901#post1

[ehrnst]

45. It was a commentary on the disparagement of Feinstein

showing what it would look like if applied to another Senator.

Simply do a DU search on "Feinstein: Trump can be a good president" for clarification...

[mdbl]

32. This whole thread has me confused.

I'll just leave it at that.

[BannonsLiver]

41. It's fairly simple

The OP is making light of the hypocrisy of some Sanders supporters who have criticized Feinstein for her recent conciliatory comments about Trump while giving Bernie a pass for some of the more conciliatory comments he has made about Trump.

[ehrnst]

43. Do a search on "Feinstein: Trump can be a good president"

That should clarify.

[mdbl]

87. Ok thanks - found Jimmy Dore's video of her saying this

She obviously is comfortable with allowing this country to keep swirling down the toilet. What a looney thing to say.

[ehrnst]

88. I think that you may have missed the part where she talks about impeachment.

Perhaps you saw a truncated video.

[Gore1FL]

36. The actual quote was "We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that."

If you are going to try make a point in this way, it's better to use the actual quote.

[George II]

40. Precisely. That's similar to what republicans did to Clinton during the GE campaign.

[ehrnst]

42. Yes, my point exactly - applying what has been done to Feinstein

to another politician, illustrating how it didn't happen to him.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. so the poster was being dishonest about the honest quote?

honestly, that doesn't seem very honest.

[still_one]

44. Remember Tim Ryan who was challenging Nancy Pelosi for her leadership roll?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141858490

[brush]

47. Yeah, what happened to all of that? He came out with suspiciously repug-sounding talking points...

such as: "Instead of Democrats talking about redistributing wealth we should talk about creating wealth."

I guess the pure repug way of phrasing doomed his little revolt.

[BainsBane]

50. Kick and rec

Last edited Sat Sep 2, 2017, 04:13 PM - Edit history (2)

[guillaumeb]

51. The neverending battle part 2.

While the GOP gerrymanders, and suppresses, and consolidates its hold on power.

[Me.]

53. Just Imagine

Seems only some always get a pass

[Ms. Toad]

54. Not even close to what he said.

The question that will be resolved pretty quickly is whether or not everything that he was saying to the working families of this country was hypocrisy, was dishonest, or whether he was sincere. And we will find that out soon enough.

[JCanete]

56. Look, people trying to turn this statement of Feinstein's into the straw that broke the camels back

are probably seeing this ridiculous statement of hers as something that might finally resonate with those people who don't have a problem with many of her votes or her far more middling advocacy on some issues, , but I don't personally agree with that approach, and think it is using a very small, if bizarre thing, to get the court of public opinion to tip on her here.

But it is obviously different. It is very very easy to understand what Sanders is saying(unless you are trying very very hard not to). It takes no level of mental gymnastics to hear his words the way I hear them. Can you really say the same thing about your interpretation?

On the flip side, what possible argument could you make from Feinstein's own words that suggests she was saying anything in the same ballpark? She really was saying we have to have patience, we have to give him a chance...

Was there a political angle to it that I don't understand? Possibly. I have no effing clue what that might be, but the words themselves do not tell a different story than is being presented. They are not themselves taken out of context of each other. They may be taken out of context of the fact that she is a sitting senator with duties and responsibilities that might require some finesse, but if that's the strategy, nobody should be happy about trying to placate the boy-king bully so that he's less vindictive to us.

Does that demand more action than voicing to her our disapproval? I don't think so. Others might see this as just more evidence that her interests are not ours, but I hardly think this is a smoking gun of anything of the sort. That said, in the progressive state of California, hell yes I want a primary option. Feinstein has been one of my least favorite dems for a long long time.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

86. Thank you for clearing the smoke & marking the mirrors.

[nini]

62. This whole thing just reinforces the misogyny of some lefties to me

Especially the Sanders crowd. Elizabeth Warren, Hillary, Kamala Harris, Feinstein. They get brutalized for things that if a man said or did them would not get such wrath. The fact these are all strong women seems to threaten them and certain male 'leaders'.

This doesn't mean women can't be criticized at all so I don't want to hear that.

[BainsBane]

63. The outrage has absolutely nothing to do with what was said

and everything to do with who said it.

Nothing about Sanders statement is accurate. It was clear at that time that Trump was a pathological liar. It was clear that his rhetoric about workers was a lie, a transparent ruse to use the office to enrich himself and his cronies. Sanders has been proven wrong on that. He's been proven wrong on his claims that Trump voters aren't racist.

The different reactions are about power and political tribalism, nothing more.

And it's not like we're talking about a one off comment by Sanders. There have been many, and we've seen many threads where people defend them, the same people insisting that Feinstein be forcibly removed to an old folks home, all while insisting Democrats "unify" to support as President a man who will be 87 by the end of a second term.

From what I've read of Feinstein's statements, I don't care for them. That doesn't mean it should be used as a pretext for a power grab, which is exactly what we are seeing.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

68. A power grab? Lol.

Last time I checked the DUer who started several threads on the Feinstein blunder was a huge HRC supporter.

[BainsBane]

69. Really?

And all the responses? Please, provide links to back up your impressions. I look forward to reading them.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

70. No, I said the duer who started several threads.

The "I proudly stand with Hillary Clinton" DUer.

[R B Garr]

82. Wouldn't you say he started them because of the

pushback he was getting? One was a generic poll.

[Autumn]

81. Nothing about Sanders statement is accurate?

Did you read the transcript of what Bernie actually said in the OP under discussion? Other than the quote

"Trump is honest and I look forward to working with him."

a quote that isn't any where in the transcript because Bernie never said it . What Bernie said is he looks foreword to working with Trump on the things Trump campaigned on, and we all knew everything Trump promised was bullshit, he doesn't have an honest bone in his body.

Which part is inaccurate?

Mr. Trump said, unlike many Republicans, the vast majority of Republicans, he said that he will not cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Now, I believe we should expand Social Security … but that is what he said, and pay attention to see what he now does. The question that will be resolved pretty quickly is whether or not everything that he was saying to the working families of this country was hypocrisy, was dishonest, or whether he was sincere. And we will find that out soon enough. But No. 1, no cuts, says Mr. Trump, to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, that’s what you said on the campaign trail, that’s what we look forward to seeing from you.

I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage … is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.

Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him.

Mr. Trump has said he wants six weeks of paid maternity leave. Every other major country on Earth, I think, has at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, but this is a start. We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that.

Mr. Trump said throughout his campaign—the cornerstone of his campaign was to change our disastrous trade policies. As someone who voted against every one of these trade policies, I look forward to working with him.

As for what Feinstein said there was nothing wrong with what she said, her words were taken out of context and people got bent out of shape based on partial quotes. That seems to happen a lot any more.

Did anyone deliberately lie about what she said?

[R B Garr]

83. Why do you keep saying Sanders called out

Trump's lies? That's false. Trump copied Sanders' platform, so how can they be lies. The part about honesty was to hold Trump accountable to the platform he copied from Sanders.

[Autumn]

84. They are lies because Trump lied. Surely you don't think Trump meant a word he was spewing ??

We all know Trump was full of shit, Bernie knew. He was getting digs in at Trump.

Mr. Trump said, unlike many Republicans, the vast majority of Republicans, he said that he will not cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Now, I believe we should expand Social Security … but that is what he said, and pay attention to see what he now does. The question that will be resolved pretty quickly is whether or not everything that he was saying to the working families of this country was hypocrisy, was dishonest, or whether he was sincere. And we will find that out soon enough. But No. 1, no cuts, says Mr. Trump, to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, that’s what you said on the campaign trail, that’s what we look forward to seeing from you.

I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage … is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.

Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him.

Mr. Trump has said he wants six weeks of paid maternity leave. Every other major country on Earth, I think, has at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, but this is a start. We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that.

Mr. Trump said throughout his campaign—the cornerstone of his campaign was to change our disastrous trade policies. As someone who voted against every one of these trade policies, I look forward to working with him.

[R B Garr]

85. Trump is a con man. Per your link, Bernie said Trump

was speaking to working families. Isn't that what Bernie also claimed to do?

[Warren DeMontague]

72. Where in that article does Sanders say that?

Oh, right, he doesn't.