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Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 12:39 PM Sep 2017

Outlook for Hurricane Irma -- It could be bad.

878 mb Storm Off North Florida — The Model Forecast for Irma that no one Wants to See Happen

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Looking beyond the official forecast, some of the our best long range model runs are putting together some seriously scary predictions for Irma. By next week, the Global Forecast System (GFS) model shows Irma as a 878 mb monster hurricane looming about 300 miles off Florida. 878 mb would represent the lowest pressures ever recorded in a hurricane in the Atlantic (The present strongest Atlantic storm was Wilma at 882 mb. The devastating Labor Day Hurricane hit 892 mb.). And it would almost certainly represent the strongest storm in our records ever to venture so far North. 878 mb roughly corresponds with maximum sustained winds in excess of 170 mph and possibly as high as 200 mph or more. And we’ve never seen something like that threatening the Central Atlantic U.S. East Coast in all of the modern era.

The model then slams the storm into Cape Hatteras just after midnight on Monday, September 11 as only a slightly weaker Category 5 range storm at 910 mb. The storm proceeds north into the Hampton Roads area early Monday morning retaining approximate Cat 5 status at 919 mb. After roaring over this highly populated low-lying region, the storm enters the Chesapeake Bay at 934 mb by noon on Monday — in the Category 4 range and still stronger than Hurricane Sandy — before crossing up the Bay and over the D.C. region by evening the same day at 958 mb (approx Cat 3).

To say this would be an absolute worst case disaster scenario for the Mid-Atlantic is an understatement. A storm of this intensity would produce 10-20 foot or higher storm surges, devastating winds, and catastrophic rainfall throughout the Outer Banks, Hampton Roads and on up the Chesapeake Bay. But unlike Harvey, it would be a fast-moving event. More like a freight train than a persistently worsening deluge.

This long range model scenario is not, however, an official forecast. It’s just what the GFS atmospheric computer models are presently spitting out. And such long range predictions from a single model, no matter how reliable, should be taken with at least a pinch of salt. That said, we should certainly, as the NHC recommends, keep our eyes on Irma and keep our response plans ready.
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Outlook for Hurricane Irma -- It could be bad. (Original Post) Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 OP
I honestly hope it stays on the east coast underpants Sep 2017 #1
Speak for yourself. nt B2G Sep 2017 #4
Nuts! Duppers Sep 2017 #6
Take one for the team? cwydro Sep 2017 #15
Oh, HELL, NO! My house is the lowest around, and even during weak Ivan 1/3 of my driveway was ripped WinkyDink Sep 2017 #31
How ya feeling about it now? cwydro Sep 2017 #33
We'll see underpants Sep 2017 #34
Shame. cwydro Sep 2017 #35
My family dealt with Sandy a la izquierda Sep 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author onecent Sep 2017 #2
Fuck that. B2G Sep 2017 #3
I won't take one for the team. Eastern North Carolina still can't get the funds it needs octoberlib Sep 2017 #5
Agree - you cannot take two hurricanes in two years malaise Sep 2017 #11
Fish storm. Demtexan Sep 2017 #7
I hope so jpak Sep 2017 #9
PEOPLE NEED TO PREPARE NOW jpak Sep 2017 #8
But you know as well as I that the vast majority will NOT prepare. n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #10
Actually, Floridians are kinda big on preparing. The problem, of course, Hortensis Sep 2017 #14
I lived in the Keys for years. cwydro Sep 2017 #16
THAT I fully believe. We've only visited the Keys, but a friend with Hortensis Sep 2017 #17
Lol, I know, and you can't know what's going to happen despite preparation. cwydro Sep 2017 #18
Must have been really nervewracking that day. In the Keys Hortensis Sep 2017 #20
Yes, we called that year the "hurricane of the month club". cwydro Sep 2017 #21
Wow. Hurricanes must have a whole special emotional meaning to you. Hortensis Sep 2017 #23
I slept on a wet mattress for two weeks until I realized it was a stupid thing to do. cwydro Sep 2017 #24
Your vivid words make it feel too real. Strangely, my hope that it heads out Hortensis Sep 2017 #25
I still have pics of my cats and dogs in the canoe...looking bewildered. cwydro Sep 2017 #27
That poster wouldn't have had he/she read this post before. Hortensis Sep 2017 #28
Yes. cwydro Sep 2017 #29
I've seen that. I was thinking more of people further to the north were storms are not so frequent. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #19
Or if even a huge learning experience was experienced by Hortensis Sep 2017 #22
THIS catrose Sep 2017 #26
As of Monday morning nitpicker Sep 2017 #12
Good Update here malaise Sep 2017 #13
Florida declared state of emergency. No knowing where it's going yet, tho. Hortensis Sep 2017 #30
a suggestion if anyone wants a cheap way to get out of town fast is megabus. act early please. Sunlei Sep 2017 #32
Category 5 LP2K12 Sep 2017 #36

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
6. Nuts!
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 06:50 PM
Sep 2017


You're 50 miles inland, which would be affected, but I'm smack-dab on water.

I hope it stays OFF the coast!!!


 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
15. Take one for the team?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:39 AM
Sep 2017

I've been through hurricanes, have you?

Nice of you to volunteer an entire region...

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
31. Oh, HELL, NO! My house is the lowest around, and even during weak Ivan 1/3 of my driveway was ripped
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:50 PM
Sep 2017

away! Water half-way up my yard (the only house of 20 in my immediate area).

Eastern PA, near Jersey.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
33. How ya feeling about it now?
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:17 AM
Sep 2017

Who do you want it to hit? To "take one for the team." Do tell. Enquiring minds want to know.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
35. Shame.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:39 AM
Sep 2017

I've got friends it's gonna hit.

You appear to be clueless about hurricanes and how they can devastate. Read up on Galveston back in the early 1900s, Camille, the Keys hurricane of 35, and gosh...have you already forgotten Katrina?

Smh.

Response to Binkie The Clown (Original post)

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
5. I won't take one for the team. Eastern North Carolina still can't get the funds it needs
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 03:34 PM
Sep 2017

from Congress for damage from Hurricane Matthew. This would be disastrous.



N.C. said it still needs $929 million in aid for Hurricane Matthew. It got $6.1 million.


The rain is done, and the flood is long over. The rest of the country moved on months ago, but North Carolina is still feeling the effects of Hurricane Matthew. Hundreds of families remain displaced, and critical infrastructure sits damaged. Its unmet need is enormous, the governor says, and they aren’t getting the money.

In a soon-to-be-announced disaster relief allocation from the federal government, Gov. Roy Cooper expects to get just 0.7 percent of what he and North Carolina lawmakers in Congress say the state still needs to get back on its feet.

In October, Hurricane Matthew raked up the Southeast coast and battered Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas. These states aren’t unfamiliar with tropical storms or the damage they inflict, but Matthew was different. The hurricane’s wind and storm surge were strong, but that wasn’t what did North Carolina in.

Unexpectedly, the storm’s track shifted slightly west and dumped a colossal amount of rain on inland parts of the state. More than 15 inches fell on areas that were already saturated from previous storms. That water rolled off the hills and into the reservoirs and rivers, which crested at record levels.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/05/11/n-c-said-it-still-needs-929-million-in-aid-for-hurricane-matthew-it-got-6-1-million/?utm_term=.53f48d6c9ba5

jpak

(41,757 posts)
8. PEOPLE NEED TO PREPARE NOW
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:01 PM
Sep 2017

not after the gas stations are dry

not after the supermarkets are empty

not after the roads are filled with panicked evacuees.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Actually, Floridians are kinda big on preparing. The problem, of course,
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:33 AM
Sep 2017

is that people prepare for what they think they know from the past, not for everything that might conceivably happen in future.

Our little snowbird park MH is on the west coast, but we bought it knowing disaster was a possibility. Our own "prep" if we were down there would basically consist of climbing in the car right about now, before the roads got crowded, and heading north.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. THAT I fully believe. We've only visited the Keys, but a friend with
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:01 AM
Sep 2017

family down there was caught in a bad traffic jam on US 1 just a couple days ago. No hurricane, just nowhere to go.

We always keep a stock of food, water, and medicines, but are not as conscientious as we should be. First day of an extended power-down would no doubt already be full of "we should have"s.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. Lol, I know, and you can't know what's going to happen despite preparation.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:53 AM
Sep 2017

We bought a generator before Wilma, only to watch the storm surge rise and cover it.

It's a funny story now, but it sure wasn't on that day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Must have been really nervewracking that day. In the Keys
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:59 AM
Sep 2017

as Wilma chose to cruise by to the north? No thanks. She'd already wiped out the beautiful place our daughter was married near Cozumel, and most of the town.

Almost all the models right now for Irma are projecting her heading to the west side of Florida, most closer to Cuba but one directly headed for the Keys.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. Yes, we called that year the "hurricane of the month club".
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:16 AM
Sep 2017

We had Dennis, Katrina, Rita and Wilma. Pretty much one a month.

My yard was destroyed by the first three, and my house by Wilma. Five foot storm surge.

Years before, Georges came ashore as a three with a storm surge that drowned our cars. I was younger then lol, more resilient. I don't feel that way anymore.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Wow. Hurricanes must have a whole special emotional meaning to you.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:40 AM
Sep 2017

Hammered over and over. It's painful enough for me to imagine all these people ripping out flooring and drywall, years of sodden, ruined possessions, and I've not gone through it.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. I slept on a wet mattress for two weeks until I realized it was a stupid thing to do.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:51 AM
Sep 2017

You just kind of go numb in some ways, I think.

The Texas pictures have affected me a lot. Really, it's impossible to understand unless you've been through it. I'll never forget that water rising. Lol, had my cats and dogs in the canoe before it finally began to subside. But, the mess after it was unbelievable. The smell, the loss of animals, houses, businesses...

I'm back in NC now, pretty far inland, but I'm a wee bit on edge about this one. We won't get flooding where we are, but we could suffer wind damage. Plus worrying about my friends in the Keys....my friends in the eastern part of the state here. Sheesh. I hope it turns far north and fizzles out.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Your vivid words make it feel too real. Strangely, my hope that it heads out
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 12:25 PM
Sep 2017

into the Atlantic is more genuinely heartfelt now than when I merely wondered if it'd flood our yard, or, unlikely, sweep the old MH away. But...it's that "real" thing you bring to life.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
27. I still have pics of my cats and dogs in the canoe...looking bewildered.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:19 PM
Sep 2017

All of them are gone now due to natural causes, but they suffered along with us....and I suffered more worrying for them. My best friend died about two years later at an early age; the storm wrecked her. I consider her a casualty of Wilma.

A neighbor asked me to go under her house to find her cat afterwards. No idea why I agreed. I won't go into any more detail, but it was something I'll never forget. I retrieved the cat, who was of course drowned. The storm hit us in October...it was getting cold even in the Keys. We had no power for a month. That mattress was damn cold lol.

I think that's what bothered me so much. Not the loss of a house or all my belongings....just seeing and hearing about the loss of so many creatures. Not even mine. But hell, and that's the first thing I thought about Texas. Of course, I care about the people too, but they at least can take action....animals are helpless for the most part. I wish no hurricanes on anyone. Ever. Someone posted today that they hoped it would hit the east coast. Could NOT believe that post.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
19. I've seen that. I was thinking more of people further to the north were storms are not so frequent.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:51 AM
Sep 2017

After a long time between hurricanes northerners tend to get more lazy about it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Or if even a huge learning experience was experienced by
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:17 AM
Sep 2017

a past generation. Is it all the moving around, perhaps the constant evolution of how we live due to technology that creates such a disconnect in societal memory?

It feels as if the 1960s occurred in a different world, even if many of us were alive then, because so much is so different. If Gulf cities couldn't take seriously the lessons of Camille in the 1960s, how about those living on the Virginia side of the Appalachians, where Camille also, amazingly, continued on to kill many?

catrose

(5,065 posts)
26. THIS
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:03 PM
Sep 2017

Data from a decade or so ago says that top sellers at Wal Mart before a hurricane are beer, pop tarts, masking tape and tarps. Edit at will.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
12. As of Monday morning
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:25 AM
Sep 2017
http://flhurricane.com/

Model tracks have shifted further south and west, mostly threatening the Bahamas and FL.

But let's see what Thursday shows.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
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Sep 2017

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