Jill Stein lies through her teeth about her Putin dinner in Moscow.

[pnwmom]

The guy sitting next to her is Dmitry Peskov, one of Putin's most trusted aides, who speaks excellent English and has served as a translator.

http://www.newsweek.com/2017/09/08/jill-stein-interview-russia-trump-645722.html

Your name was mentioned in the document request from the Senate Judiciary Committee to the lawyers of Paul Manafort and Donald Trump Jr. Why?

I think it’s there for the same reason that that photo keeps circulating without a single fact. There was no translator at the dinner. Putin came in very briefly. Maybe he was there for 10 or 15 minutes before he gave a speech in Russian. Nobody was introduced to anybody. My conversation was actually with the guy sitting next to me, a German diplomat.

THE DINNER TABLE IS SHOWN HERE, WITH THE DINERS IDENTIFIED.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/flynn-putin-dinner-payment-security-clearance-photo/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Peskov

Dmitry Sergeyevich Peskov (Russian: Дмитрий Серге́евич Песков; IPA: [pʲɪˈskof]; born October 17, 1967) is a Russian diplomat, translator and turcologist. Since 2012, Peskov has been the Press Secretary for the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

[guillaumeb]

1. "Clearly" the photo was doctored.

And only Stein remembers the dinner as it actually happened.

When I was a union representative, I counseled people to always tell the truth because it is easier to remember than a lie.

[Blue_true]

9. Are you fucking serious? Unbelievable. Fucking unbelievable. nt

[BainsBane]

21. He's being sarcastic.

[pangaia]

28. Seems to me that more and more often people here are missing obvious sarcasm.

No idea why...

[BainsBane]

33. I think people are on edge

These are trying times.

[guillaumeb]

49. I was being sarcastic. DU needs a dedicated sarcasm font.

So I inserted parentheses to indicate that it should not be read literally.

Plus my final sentence about telling the truth was, I believed, another indicator.

[Blue_true]

52. Sorry. DU does have a sarcasm smilie but you need to go to the second page of smilies.

Again, I apologize.

[guillaumeb]

53. Nothing to apologize for.

It can be difficult to convey intent when we are writing only.

[Honeycombe8]

29. You should put the "sarcasm" smilie in your posts when sarcastic. So people know for sure.nt

[guillaumeb]

51. I agree. Or I should put in a sarcasm alert.

[Bradshaw3]

2. Funny enough Peskov directed the hacking operation

According to the Steele dossier

[Progressive dog]

3. I expect nothing more than

self serving lies from Jill Stein. Probably she was paid by RT News, just like Flynn.

[R B Garr]

4. Jill Stein is a liar and a fraud. Her campaign was promoted by the Russian oligarchs

to undermine the election. I hope she is exposed by our government in this investigation, as if it's not obvious what her goals were. She defrauded millions of Democrats out of MILLIONS of dollars with her recount scheme, yet lies about our Democratic candidate when she is one who is the biggest fraud.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

"Stein did well enough to help Russia achieve its aims. Her vote totals in the crucial states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan were all greater than Clinton's margin of defeat, and arguably denied Clinton an Electoral College victory.)"


"RT's criticism of the U.S. election," said the report, "was the latest facet of its broader and longer-standing anti-U.S. messaging likely aimed at undermining viewers' trust in U.S. democratic procedures and undercutting U.S. criticism of Russia's political system. RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan recently declared that the United States itself lacks democracy and that it has 'no moral right to teach the rest of the world.'"

Jill Stein declined an NBC News request for comment."

[Initech]

5. It was all a concentrated plot to destroy Hillary.

This is the single greatest work of election fraud in American history. And they're all in on it. It doesn't take Mueller to figure that out.

[yardwork]

6. Desperate lies from Jill Stein. She must be worried.

[Me.]

7. How Low Can She Go?

Not fooling anyone except the poor fools who believe her and willingly part w/their cash.

[mcar]

8. Methinks she is in trouble

[Blue_true]

14. I hope that she ends up in prison for the rest of her life.

The fucking fraud.

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. I hope her associations plague her until she's out of U.S. politics completely. What a charlatan.

[George II]

11. Here's another angle of that table. Apparently they're all looking at someone speaking....

....and Putin is still there, seeming interested in the speaker. They've all rearranged to face the dais, and Putin doesn't look like he's in a position to be getting up soon. Only 10-15 minutes? Doubt it.

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[R B Garr]

15. ooh, that is very interesting, and it supports Stein's reticence and outright refusal

to discuss that dinner beyond grudgingly answering minimal questioning about it.

I heard her one day contradicting herself in an interview, though. Can't find it now, but what she was questioned on was a misrepresentation of what she had previously said about it. I think it had to do with talking to Putin, but then she said there was no translator there.

She's a liar and a fraud. Can't wait to see the dirt on her exposed.

Amazing that all the people who accused Hillary of corruption are actually the corrupt ones.

[leftstreet]

36. But it does support her stmt a German diplomat was sitting next to her

Willie Wimmer

[lapucelle]

72. There's Jill next to the Putin apologist,

free press hating, anti-American German propagandist Willy Wimmer. Jill thinks he's a diplomat! Is that what they mean by a "useful idiot"?

[lastlib]

12. "turcologist"?

Merriam-Webster: "a specialist in Turkic languages and literature"

amazing what you can learn on DU!

[Ligyron]

43. Had to look that one up myself.

[thesquanderer]

13. I don't see the lie.

Not that I care about Jill Stein, but where's the lie?

The way it reads to me, saying "there was no translator at the dinner" doesn't mean that there was nobody in the room who was bilingual or had ever been a translator. It means that nobody was serving in an official translator capacity for the event, meaning that nobody was translating Putin's 15 minutes speech, meaning she had no idea what he said.

Am I missing something?

[pnwmom]

16. The man to her left is not German, he's Dmitry Peskov, Putin's top aide. n/t

[leftstreet]

26. Willie Wimmer doesn't show in that photo

Which doesn't explain why she tries to minimize sitting next to Peskov

Yeah riiiiight...they didn't talk about nuthin! Un-huh

[thesquanderer]

38. So if Wimmer is to her right and the event had no translator...

...is there a genuine, known lie in this article?

[oberliner]

47. They appear to be wearing earpieces

From the video of the event.

[R B Garr]

17. It's in bold in the OP. She said she was talking to a German diplomat, but it was a Russian

oligarch -- Putin's spokesman.

---other lies, too, are evident, but that was bolded in the OP---

[mockmonkey]

19. Which one is the German Diplomat?

?w=990

What else is she lying about?

[BainsBane]

24. I hope Mueller gets to the bottom of this

And she and Trump both spend the rest of their lives in orange jumpsuits.

[leftstreet]

25. Willie Wimmer. He's actually to her right

I don't know why she says he's to her left

[thesquanderer]

34. re: "I don't know why she says he's to her left "

as far as I can see, she said "next to" -- maybe I missed it, but I didn't see her specify which side. (Not that that would be a headline worthy lie/mistake.)

[leftstreet]

35. Oh, you're right

I don't know why I thought she'd said 'left'



Well no matter. The original photo does show her sitting next to Wimmer and I assume that's who she's talking about

[lastlib]

45. (she doesn't know her right hand from her left hand from her large arse.)

eom

[thesquanderer]

66. "large arse" in a thread about a woman may get you accused of misogyny (nt)

[mockmonkey]

44. Did Mother Jones...

purposely cut him out of the picture?

[mockmonkey]

46. Maybe they had Musical Chairs that night

Whoever won got to give a Kleptocrat a lap dance?

[oberliner]

48. That is a reasonable question

Though the photo is credited to someone at Sputnik.

[thesquanderer]

67. I think the original credit remains even if someone else then crops it. (n/t)

[oberliner]

68. NBC News published the photo with the same cropping a month prior to the Mother Jones piece

This is from April:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

[thesquanderer]

69. And their version was terribly cropped, it cuts out half the people's names.

It's obviously not even the original labelled version, much less the original version of the photo itself. I'm surprised NBC went with that.

[oberliner]

70. Willy Wimmer is very much pro-Putin

There would have been no reason to crop him out.

Anyway, I haven't been able to track down the original photo published by a news outlet without the annotations. Let me know if you do.

Edit to add:

I found this from WaPo, Aug 2016:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nearly-the-entire-national-security-establishment-has-rejected-trumpexcept-for-this-man/2016/08/15/d5072d96-5e4b-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html?utm_term=.9edfcf8568cb

Un-annotated photo posted with same cropping.

?uuid=IFw9Cl_WEeaEwW0nKHiWtQ

[thesquanderer]

73. There is no question that there are cropped and uncropped versions of the pic,

but it is odd to me that NBC would use one that is so clearly cropped that half the identifying information about the people at the table is cut off.

[leftstreet]

50. I have no idea

Good question though

I've seen both the original and the 'cropped' pic before. When news and opinion sources grab one of them for the articles, do they know there's a difference?

[lapucelle]

59. The cropped version is actually more flattering

once you realize exactly who Stein spent the evening chatting with.

NBC News used the cropped picture in its April story, but also included a photo of the ever affable Jill (snapping a souvenir picture of the event) seated next to the German "diplomat".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

[leftstreet]

60. !! You're right

LOL the zoom-out version shows the voluminous folds of that weird Harbor Freight gray tarp thing she's wearing

[lapucelle]

63. I wasn't referring to her outfit.

Either Stein was duped into thinking she was talking to a "diplomat" or she knowingly spent the evening engaged in friendly small talk with a propagandist who hates the United States.

[leftstreet]

64. Ah

Well, who knows. But anyone who hopes to head the Presidential ticket of a political party OUGHT to know who s/he is talking to

seems to me

[SunSeeker]

18. Jill Stein is a tool of the right wing. nt

[kentuck]

20. I wondered why...?

...she stayed in the race until the very end, even though there was no chance of her winning anything??

[BainsBane]

23. And ran very expensive ads right before the election

Where did she get that kind of money?

[pnwmom]

27. She got a chunk from our taxes, when we check off that little box.

She accepted Federal financing for her campaign.

[BainsBane]

31. That's no where near enough

[Honeycombe8]

30. Susan Sarandon and other celebrities? And matching govt funds? Just guessing. nt

[BainsBane]

32. We should look at her FEC filings.

[BainsBane]

22. Lying is yet another trait she shares with Trump

[oberliner]

37. That whole interview says so much about Jill Stein

What an awful human being and complete fraud.

[leftstreet]

39. She's crazy as loon, but she's not lying about the German diplomat

Willie Wimmer was on her right, Peskov on her left

I don't believe for a moment she didn't talk to Peskov

[oberliner]

40. She says she is not convinced that the Russians planted fake news stories

To influence the US election (Her words are that she "does not have a definitive opinion" on the subject).

Also Willy Wimmer is a noted Putin apologist.

[leftstreet]

42. I think she has some delusions

I can't fathom what makes her think we're all waiting for her 'opinion'

[lapucelle]

57. Willy Wimmer has had no diplomatic mission since 2000

when he served as " vice-president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)". Wimmer is currently a key figure in

"the Querfront (Cross-Front) movement in Germany which unites the far-left and far-right in hatred of the United States, support of Putin, and rejection of mainstream press."

[leftstreet]

58. Yep, true. But he was sitting next to her

I didn't refer to him as a diplomat, she did

[lapucelle]

61. Interesting that she did. I wonder why. N/T

[leftstreet]

62. Hmm

From your links, and poking around a bit...I'm curious

Bizarre that no one's really talked about him

[oberliner]

41. The "German diplomat" in question is a Putin apologist

Willy Wimmer: Russia Stands for Law, Faith, and Family; The West for Blood and Chaos

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/giving-russia-second-thought-germany-willy-wimmer-interview/ri12236

[lapucelle]

54. Just a harmless German "diplomat".

Maybe they were talking about "adoption".

http://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2015/08/who-is-willy-wimmer.html

[R B Garr]

55. Very interesting, lapucelle! It sure confirms that only anti-USA types were invited, and

that pretty much confirms that Putin approves of the anti-USA programming that is put out by the likes of Thom Hartmann and his ilk on RT. If you are not anti-US, you aren't welcome in Putin's world. All those radio shows spread divisive messages about America that on some level meet Putin's needs.

No wonder Adam Schiff wants to get to the bottom of her Russia connections.

[pnwmom]

56. This explains a lot. Thanks, oberliner! I also found this:

https://www.pressreader.com/ukraine/kyiv-post/20170623/281904478180917

[Hekate]

65. As Malcom Nance has repeatedly pointed out, Russian motives and actions are multi-layered...

All those Americans were there, and afaik all of them took Russian money. There was at least one translator there; he just was not translating from Russian to English, was he? The Russians got a picture of all those Americans in the same room with Putin et al.

So Putin learned quite a bit from this exercise. One thing is: can a quid pro quo be established now and in the future? How much can the Russians get? What will the Americans want?

Another thing learned is: how many plausible American politicians and opinion makers are willing to deal with Putin? Easy does it, slowly make friends, establish trust, give money -- finally demand something in return.

Splashing money around is really easy for Russian oligarchs, and Putin controls them all. So the Trumps were groomed for years, weren't they? And finally, Putin got himself a potus who is beholden to him, bigly.