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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
3. Most of the republicans he is addressing would like to see them all gone if not dead
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:52 AM
Sep 2017

Get real
they turned thier heads and thought nothing about Nazis in the street and one on a killing spree but are going to speak out to save DACA recipients

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
8. I say we hold them to their statements against the repeal of DACA
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:15 PM
Sep 2017

We don't have to dispense with cynicism, as long as it doesn't keep us from acting.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
9. I share your cynicism
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:05 PM
Sep 2017

Instead of Murphy telling the GOP that their moment has come, he should be advocating his own ideas, or at least a bipartisan committee to come up with a plan that can win majority support in the House, then a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. That's leadership.

If left to their own devices, Rethuglicans will come up with a twisted version of DACA that has onerous consequences for others. They play divide and conquer as often as possible, and they will look to pit one group of immigrants against another. I expect that, and I fully expect that some sort of increased enforcement or another bone will be thrown to the right wing, but if we let them write it up, Democratic members of Congress will be left with a hard choice of voting for a really nasty piece of law, or just deciding that the DACA folks aren't worth screwing over the rest of the immigrants.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
10. To keep people from being deported the best thing we can do is to win enough Republicans
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:13 PM
Sep 2017

...over to a proDACA position.

It is doable, and far more important to these people's futures that lobbing insults (how ever well-deserved).

Let's be mature. And let's elect DEMOCRATS!

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
12. It's "mature" to believe...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:31 PM
Sep 2017

...that the Republicans in the House will somehow support pro-DACA legislation?

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
13. Yeah, it think there are many Republican votes that can potentially be peeled off
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 04:15 PM
Sep 2017

So we can at least delay active deportations. We need to try to be persuasive (using a variety of means).

And we need to elect more Democrats.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
14. Like they "peeled off"...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 04:20 PM
Sep 2017

...when they voted many times to throw millions out of access to healthcare?

Sorry. I wish I had your optimism I really do.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
15. You picked a strange example , since 3 Republican Senators did peel off...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

to stop the destruction of the ACA.

When we are in the minority in the legislature (a situation we need to reverse) we had better be good politicians.



 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
17. Exactly the same lessons apply.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 04:36 PM
Sep 2017

On issues like DACA the House GOP membership is even more vulnerable to pressure as the entire body is up for re-election every 2 years.

We need to demonstrate that those who support deportation will pay a price.

PdxSean

(574 posts)
11. This guy GETS IT!!
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:19 PM
Sep 2017

One of the things that pisses me off to no end is when my fellow Democrats expect republicans to EVER do what's right, just, or compassionate, as though they have EVER done that as a party.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
18. Wrong. Pressure isn't just for our own side.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 04:55 PM
Sep 2017

Cynicism is just an excuse for apathy. They'll be perfectly happy to ram through their agenda on the backs of such apathy and lack of action. There is nothing wrong with holding them up to a higher standard and framing the argument that way. You are wrong.

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