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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:59 PM Sep 2017

In NAFTA Talks, Canada Demands US Drop Anti-Union 'Right to Work' Laws

From the article:

"One group of negotiators spent all day Sunday working on the labor file," The Globe and Mail noted. "One source familiar with the discussions said Canada wants the United States to pass a federal law stopping state governments from enacting right-to-work legislation; the source said the United States has not agreed to such a request."


To read more:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/09/04/nafta-talks-canada-demands-us-drop-anti-union-right-work-laws

What a refreshing idea, to use a trade agreement to improve conditions for workers rather than use the agreement to aid in a race to the bottom.
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In NAFTA Talks, Canada Demands US Drop Anti-Union 'Right to Work' Laws (Original Post) guillaumeb Sep 2017 OP
Perhaps Canada can ask for DACA to become the law of the land Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1
There are a number of demands made. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #2
K&R saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #3
O Canada indeed. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #4
I live about 15 miles from Mexico. panader0 Sep 2017 #5
I think that most of us at DU see the value in unions. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #7
There has been plenty of anti-union talk on this board over the years Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #13
Arizona was one of the very first right to work states. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #18
Ah, the art of the deal. haveahart Sep 2017 #6
Not exactly the way Trump espects these talks to go. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #8
If I remember correctly, some of the workers didn't want to join the panader0 Sep 2017 #9
I represented numerous non-members as a union steward for a Federal Agency. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #10
Nor to the representation GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #11
Federal Agencies must represent everyone. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #12
It was a learning experience. panader0 Sep 2017 #14
Go Canada! burrowowl Sep 2017 #15
Canada proves that the decline of unions is not inevitable. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #16
Trade deals can include whatever you agree to. No reason why they applegrove Sep 2017 #17
Vive le Canada!! malchickiwick Sep 2017 #19

panader0

(25,816 posts)
5. I live about 15 miles from Mexico.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:43 PM
Sep 2017

I have been a bricklayer since 1973. The union did not exist. In Tucson, about
90 miles north, there was union representation. If you go another 100 miles
north to Phoenix, the union had even more sway.
My point is that the further you live from the border, the more union you see.
I joined Local 1 to work a big job on local army base. I ended up being a steward,
something I didn't really want. I have seen the value of unions.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. I think that most of us at DU see the value in unions.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:47 PM
Sep 2017

And praise to Trudeau for this negotiating idea. Capitalists like Trump see the renegotiation as a way to become even wealthier, at the expense of workers of course. But NAFTA could have been worker oriented instead of capital oriented.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
13. There has been plenty of anti-union talk on this board over the years
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:12 PM
Sep 2017

The Administration allows it and as a strong union supporter, I have always found it shocking. Not a lot of members are anti, but some are.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
18. Arizona was one of the very first right to work states.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:16 PM
Sep 2017

In 1967 and 1968 I was an information operator for Ma Bell. While the Communications Workers of America was our union, belonging was optional, and when there was a strike in 1968, we operators weren't really a party to it, and only some of us honored the picket lines set up by the actual striking workers. There was no retaliation on the part of the company against those who honored the picket lines, and no sanctions on the part of the union against those who didn't. We were also very aware that our wages in Arizona were lower than those of operators in other parts of the country where belonging to the union was mandatory.

You may have had the good fortune to be in a trade where all of the workers went ahead and joined the union.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Not exactly the way Trump espects these talks to go.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:49 PM
Sep 2017

His book really should have been labelled "The art of the steal", or a similar title.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
9. If I remember correctly, some of the workers didn't want to join the
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:55 PM
Sep 2017

union because Arizona is a Right to Work state.
But because the work was on a federal base, and the company was union,
we all had to join. The union took a good chunk of our hourly pay, for dues
and insurance (which I already had). But I have great regard for unions.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. I represented numerous non-members as a union steward for a Federal Agency.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:02 PM
Sep 2017

The non-union members all claimed to object to the idea of unions, but none objected to the wages and benefits that resulted from being in a unionized workplace.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
11. Nor to the representation
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:06 PM
Sep 2017

When the get in trouble with the company. At least here in Florida the union cannot deny representation even if the scab will not join the union. Not that they necessarily go to the mat for them.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Federal Agencies must represent everyone.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:10 PM
Sep 2017

I conducted much training for stewards. I emphasized that giving the same effort for all was good union advertising and good conduct. I believe that I represented everyone to the same level.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
14. It was a learning experience.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:13 PM
Sep 2017

On the whole I totally agree with unions.
Back in the day, when I came up, I was taught to be fast and efficient.
I learned to lay brick and block fast and straight. The union told me
repeatedly to slow down. The other guys would cut the line to stop work.
Any effort at working hard was seen as subversive.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
16. Canada proves that the decline of unions is not inevitable.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:45 PM
Sep 2017

Dean Baker and others at CEPR have written about this issue and made the case that policy choices are behind the massive decline of unions in the United States which suggests that better policy can help reverse this decline.

See: http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/canada-proves-the-decline-of-unions-is-not-inevitable

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