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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne Sobering Note. Military Planners Believe Most Youngsters Could NOT Pass Basic Training.
Unlike the Vietnam generation our military believes that many of our younger generation could not make it through military base training. Just hope that their beliefs do not have to be proved in reality.
ADDENDUM.50 years ago I was at Fort Polk Tiger Land on the way to Vietnam. After 8 weeks of basic training at Fort Leonard Wood It was 8 more weeks of basic training on steroid. 5 -6 miles running in regular combat boots before 6 am. Then endless training every day until 5 or 6. Mountains of harassment. PT training and courses that could just about kill you.
Back then basic was brutal brutal brutal.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)ExciteBike66
(2,317 posts)In my experience, basic training is very easy so long as you do not get injured and held back. I did it in 2000 and the drill sergeants were pushing people through, we even had a kid who I swear was mentally handicapped, and he made it just fine.
Now, most of my platoon probably would have washed out of jump school, but not basic/AIT.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I was fixing to get on the plane that would ultimately drop me off at boot camp. I'm here to say back then boot was a biotch. 2-1/2 months of hell
ExciteBike66
(2,317 posts)I grew up in the "kinder, gentler" Army...
Sgent
(5,857 posts)who mustanged from Marine to AF. To this day he still rates difficult situations on a scale from 1 - bootcamp. AF OCS he thought was a joke -- they got maid service.
ExciteBike66
(2,317 posts)Ha, typical.
I was over in Bosnia with the Army and we were always bitching about how the AF guys got much nicer accommodations while at the same time getting a "substandard housing" bonus on their paychecks.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I worked as a civilian engineer for the Navy for many years. When I travelled to support units in the fleet, I have a "rank equivalence" of a comparable officer, so I lived in officer housing or staterooms, ate in the wardroom or officer's mess, used the officer heads and showers. I got to see where my techs lived as well (in enlisted berthing or barracks). It's a different world. The wardroom was tablecloths and china. The mess decks was compartmented trays. Our heads and showers were always clean, with short or no waits. Enlisted heads were often filthy and crowded.
Having said that, the AF is a different world all together. It used to be a joke that AF officers got hazard pay if they deployed to someplace without cable TV.
sarisataka
(18,565 posts)Combat pay
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)sarisataka
(18,565 posts)Think that is a joke.
I recall coming out of the field after living in holes for 3 months passing through an Air Force base listening to people complain about having to walk up a floor cuz the washing machine on their floor was broken. Our laundry was Five Guys standing around a garbage pail of water doing a sponge bath. When done washing our cells we threw our uniforms into the water and rinsed out the dirt as best we could. We were going to steal their washing machine as a matter of principle but it wouldn't fit through the door of the bus.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)If everyone could make it through basic, what's so exceptional?
Interesting how that difficulty scale slides when the military needs chattle to send off in their ridiculous wars.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I actually GAINED weight. The physical part was a joke.
Mentally a bit different for a non-conformer like myself lol.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)in 1980, and I enjoyed it. I wasn't happy with the long running, was always a sprinter but got through it.
Daughter went to basic for the Coast Guard, now that was insane.
Javaman
(62,510 posts)SamKnause
(13,091 posts)War Is A Racket.
sarisataka
(18,565 posts)It doesn't mean that kids won't get sent to war-they will simply change the standards to fill the roles.
What it means is they do not believe youth are able to pass the current standards due to a lack of physical fitness.
The army minimums for an 18 yro male are 35 push-ups in 2 minutes, 47 sit-ups in 2 minutes and run 2 miles in 16:36 or less. Female are 13, 47, 19:42 in the same amounts.
Those should be a breeze for an otherwise healthy 18yro