Why do Nazis think they own the rights to free speech?

[Initech]

I think we need to start asking this question. It seems every time a Nazi, or someone else from the ultra far right is arrested or interviewed, they are always quick to cry free speech whenever possible, like it's a get out of jail free card. But it isn't. And someone apparently did not teach them what "irony" means. Nazism is not free speech. In fact it's the opposite of free speech. The sooner the MAGA idiots get that, the better.

The thing is - they're playing an extremely dangerous game with free speech right now, and if a case ever went to SCOTUS, regardless of the outcome, we would all lose. And that won't be good for anybody.

[annabanana]

1. the MAGA idiots will NEVER "get" this. . .n/t

[DK504]

2. They think the Constitution belongs to them.

They think that only white men are eligable to civil rights, every one else is not worthy.

[Girard442]

3. To them, everything is a tool to be used in the moment in pursuit of their goals...

...and then to be discarded when no longer useful.

They can invoke the principle of freedom of speech today and then embrace censorship tomorrow without turning a hair. They have weaponized hypocrisy.

[unblock]

6. ***this***

the reason they have shame about their hypocrisy is that they don't see it as hypocritical at all. they are consistent in using whatever tools and arguments and catch-phrases serve their purposes.

the filibuster is a time-honored deliberative technique when they use it, and inexcusable obstruction when democrats use it, e.g.

sounds hypocritical, but they see it as consistently fighting for tax cuts or whatever law they're trying to accomplish.


if you're in a sword fight and one moment you use the sword, and the next moment you use the shield to protect yourself from your opponent's sword, is that hypocritical? are you pro-sword or anti-sword? silly question, obviously you're just doing whatever you need to do to win the fight.

that's the way they see it.

[Javaman]

4. because in their pea like minds, they think only what they say is protected

everyone else is wrong and shouldn't be protected.

it's the basic view of a three year old; he gets into an argument and hating everyone when they don't agree with him.

[doc03]

5. According to the Constitution we all do including the Nazis nt

[angstlessk]

8. But it is ONLY the government that has to guarantee free speach

all private sectors can pick and choose what speech they prefer to hear. On edit: and allow to be spoken.

[doc03]

9. You don't agree with what they say, they don't agree with you.

Ignore them.

[MichMary]

12. +1000 n/t

[Initech]

13. I've been in an argument on another board about this.

The only thing the guy has to offer to the argument is "Antifa is wrong, fuck George Soros, my free speech rights are being suppressed!". Except they aren't.

[syringis]

7. I would say...

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...because they deny any kind of freedom in any matter to any is not one of them.

What they call "freedom of speech" is nothing else than spreading hatred.

They forgot that One person's freedom ends where another's begins.

[Initech]

11. Yeah I wonder where carrying giant AK47s through small towns...

With the intent of intimidation qualifies as free speech?

[Madam45for2923]

10. Don't think Nazis are a lot into the idea of Democracy. Nazis are by definition extreme in BULLYdom

They range from bully to sadist.

[eppur_se_muova]

14. They defend it vigorously because it is all they really have.

"When you don't have the facts, argue the law." The facts don't support their polemics, but the law permits them.

It should go without saying that permission is not approval, but they can't handle that.

[Fred Sanders]

15. So, the world fought a great war to get rid of the Nazis but America allows armed Nazis

to freely march streets spewing genocidal hate speech?

Idiotic. Americans may be waking up to the horrific consequences of hate speakers not only not being banned but also coddled by the courts.

Sit back. Relax. Enjoy the entirely predictable results.

[raven mad]

16. Of course, it's because no one else counts.

[LostOne4Ever]

17. They think they are entitled, and they have a idiot's idea of what free speech means

They think that they are entitled/ owed to whatever platform they want. They think we all have to give them a place to spew their hatred and when we don't give it to them they think that is against free speech. And when we respond with our own free speech they think that is censorship.

They are owed nothing and they cannot stop us from speaking against them!

Fuck the fascists!!!

[Expecting Rain]

18. The Constitution protects unpopular speech because...

Popular speech doesn't require protection.

The existence of a small number of odious Nazi thugs and their embrace of an evil ideology are not cause for this liberal to abandon the freedoms enshrined in our founding document.

Nay, defense of Consitution rights and protections is more import now more than ever.

If we fail to defend liberal values is when the Nazis win.

[Initech]

20. Yup, and if the Nazis win, we all lose.

And that won't be good for anybody.

[dembotoz]

19. by definition the fringe defines the boundaries