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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOK, I have been extremely mean to Lindsey Graham over the years
But he stepped up today, gave a joint conference with Dick Durbin, and called on the orange shitstain to do the right thing regarding DACA.
Now, Twitler won't listen, but Graham at least stood up and took a stand. More than I can say for almost every other Repuke.
riversedge
(70,218 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Seems like you would be tripping a lot.
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)I needed a good laugh today. Thanks!
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Hell I am defending Lindsey Graham.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,692 posts)The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order, and nobody but the fringe right-wingers who are still fighting the Civil War are claiming Lincoln exceeded his authority; I don't see how DACA is different. Otherwise I agree with everything Graham said.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Remember the EP was only applied to the slave states because they were in open rebellion. In a sense he was using his powers as Commander in Chief to prosecute the war. He was taking an essential support of the rebellion's war fighting ability away from them.
Obama's DACA does not meet that hurdle.
Actually the Copperheads argued against the EP and a whole lot more.
Copperheadism found particular support in areas near the Ohio River, and in larger cities. There they spread their message through newspapers like the Chicago Times. The Times was published by a man named Wilbur F. Storey, and it often employed inflammatory language criticizing the war, black Americans, and Abraham Lincolns administration. Unsurprisingly, the Times excoriated Lincoln after the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation was issued in September 1862:
We protest against this proclamation, in the name of the constitution, in behalf of good faith to the conservative millions of the northern and border states, and for the sake of the only means by which it has at any time been possible to restore the Union. We protest against it as a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong, and an act of national suicide.
http://www.brooklynhistory.org/blog/2014/02/25/the-emancipation-proclamation-copperheads-respond/
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,692 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)their welfare.
He talked a "reasonable" game when it came to the recent ACA vote, but when the vote came down to it, he sided with cutting healthcare for millions.
In this case I think he will vote to keep the DACA, because he views it as the republicans losing votes
msongs
(67,405 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,801 posts)right until Graham said that Trump did the right thing, imputing to Trump a concern for constitutional process that he clearly lacks the wit to comprehend. Graham's remark may have been intended to placate Trump's easily offended tender sensibilities; but damned if it didn't put Graham right back into the stack of hypocritical GOPers who will say anything to make themselves look good.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)but he is a fairly consistent asshole, and he has stuck to his guns when he opposes Obama, at least mostly.
He has my grudging respect on this matter so far, but the fight is not over.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)when he actually does something more than pay lip service to the DACA mess.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Before he was a senator, Graham was on the Impeachment Team in the House that delivered the case to the Senate. When I see that level of involvement against Trump for real crimes, I'll say that he stepped up. Until then, he's at the bottom of a very deep hole.
rurallib
(62,415 posts)actually doing something and taking the heat - that's what we're looking for.
Until then he's just another republican to me.
ETA - it took his buddy McCain to have cancer to finally do the right thing.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... he's so smug. Not a sincere bone in his body.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Because he says the right things often enough that you *know* he knows the right thing to do. But when it comes time to vote he too often falls in line.
The DACA issue is very interesting to watch. My heart breaks for the Dreamers personally affected by this, and hope Congress makes this right. From a political standpoint, Trump just gave Congressional Republicans a huge mess to clean up by kicking this back to them. This was not something they wanted to deal with. Will there be enough Repugs to join Dems in doing the right thing to pass a version through Congress?
FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)in a deeply Red(neck) state. He must occasionally have an attack of moral conscientiousness but he never lets that affect his voting record in the end, when it truly counts. Fuck him, he's a prick that would not hesitate to wipe out 10 million S. Koreans by launching a preemptive strike against the North.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Trump will veto it. He's an evil man.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,591 posts)Leith
(7,809 posts)His voting record says much more. He's a rethug through and through.
Same goes for John McCain, 99% of the time.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)That attitude is exactly how we ended up with Retrumplicans in charge of all branches of the Federal gubmint and a large majority of State houses.
Here's a Fucking clue...if they have a fucking R after their name, THEY NEED TO BE DESTROYED - Period!!!
This is War! There is no room for half measures.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)but too many teaparty assholes in power for that, they will purposely block anything that is decent or American.
LuckyCharms
(17,426 posts)Republican that I have ever seen that has a sense of humor.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Once in awhile he'll say the right thing, but most of his votes are lock-step with his party. Words can be powerful if there is action behind them. Otherwise they are useless.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Nothing's changed with this a-hole.
All talk, he knows he doesn't lose either way.
In 2018, fuck you if you don't get off your butt to vote these reps assholes out. Country over Hillary and over Bernie.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)at the end of the day he still pimps for repukes
raccoon
(31,110 posts)In July 2017 Graham and Durbin of Illinois introduced dream act of 2017, which would grant legal status and a playoff to citizenship for "dreamers." I don't know if it's going anywhere probably not yet.
Makes me feel good he's from my state. Even if he is a Republican.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)and toe the GOP party line at the end of the day.
The GOP script apparently dictates that all of them frame this as Trump correcting President Obama's "overreach".
But the occasional upside is that, for their efforts to defend Trump and simultaneously bash Obama, Trump 'revises' his original position to make them look like the party-line sycophants they are.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Yes, I know I didn't translate "moderates".