Admin memo: DACA recipients should prepare for 'departure from the United States'

[spanone]

Washington (CNN) White House talking points on Tuesday urged DACA recipients to prepare for a "departure from the United States," a much starker possible future than Trump administration officials used in public when announcing an end to the program.

The statement was contained in a background document that was sent by the White House to offices on Capitol Hill, obtained by CNN from multiple sources.

In the "DACA talking points" memo, the White House laid out a number of bullet points for supporters on Tuesday's announcement outlining the administration's action. One bullet point suggests DACA participants should prepare to leave the country.

"The Department of Homeland Security urges DACA recipients to use the time remaining on their work authorizations to prepare for and arrange their departure from the United States -- including proactively seeking travel documentation -- or to apply for other immigration benefits for which they may be eligible," the memo says.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/white-house-memo-daca-recipients-leave/index.html

[bench scientist]

1. unconscionable

[unblock]

2. donald trump, crusher of dreams.

[dalton99a]

3. "I have a great heart for the folks we're talking about. A great love for them."

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. They are all filthy fucking assholes and it is like they want us to

be provoked.

[3catwoman3]

29. He is SUCH...

...a goddamned LIAR!

[MiniMe]

4. Where do these young people go to?

They have been in the US for most of their lives. If it affected me, I would have no idea where to go or what do do when I got to wherever.

[brush]

33. They are Americans, as it is the only country they have known.

The cruelty of this is unprecedented. To thrust these young people out and into a country they don't know.

Many of them don't even speak Spanish. What are they to do—quit their jobs, close their businesses, give up their studies, say goodbye to their younger siblings who were born here and to their own kids who were born here?

The only equivalent cruelty, and it is not quite the same, is when freed slaves were thrust out into a hostile country with nothing but the clothes on their back and had make their way.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. And go where??

They have only known one home.

[luvtheGWN]

24. Are they supposed to return to the country where they were born?

I cannot believe how incredibly inhumane (oh, let's be honest, the word is SUBhuman) Trump and his minions are behaving. It is to weep.
And Haitians who fled to the US are now coming up to Plattsburgh NY, crossing a field and a ditch to enter Canada, where they are being offered asylum and processed as refugees.
I'm thinking some DACA folk will be doing the same thing.

[Rhiannon12866]

26. It's likely they don't know anyone in these other countries, may not even speak the language

It truly sounds like a nightmare. And it also sounds very dangerous. Winter's coming and I know about winters in Northern New York. I'm not as far north as Plattsburgh, but as a kid I lived in Ticonderoga and am now just north of Glens Falls. It's bad enough here.

[luvtheGWN]

28. Well, at least our Haitian refugees speak French

so crossing the NY/Quebec border is a good place to do so.
And hey, last winter was a piece of cake!

[Rhiannon12866]

30. Last winter here was pretty bad, we had our first snowstorm in October

There was a lot of damage since the ground wasn't yet frozen and there were still leaves on the trees, so trees came down all over, power lines down and the roads were a nightmare. The storms seem to be getting worse and more frequent in my neck-of-the-woods. We even had numerous rainstorms with high winds and power outages during this summer.

[Laurian]

6. Two faced fuckers!

There's always a second "part" to their actions.

[spanone]

14. 'i have a love for these people'...don trump... today.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. TO WHERE?

[maxsolomon]

13. presumably their countries of origin

they need to acquire passports. hopefully those nations are ready to jump in to help these kids. it's going to Mexico and the dysfunctional Central American nations: El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras...

just unconscionable.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. oh, and best of luck

....

[Skittles]

10. MUELLER NEEDS TO HURRY THE FUCK *UP*

[maxsolomon]

15. that won't stop this

but there is a hope that a judge will issue an injunction.

from a poster at another of my haunts:

<As usual, Attorney General Ferguson has a good case. The federal courts could very well reject a politically motivated attempt by President Trump to rescind DACA waivers.

Properly speaking, DACA is not a presidential executive order but instead a DHS policy memorandum. See DHS, "Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals Who Came to US as Children,"June 15, 2012.

As an agency action rather than an executive order, DACA is subject to judicial review under the Administrative Procedures Act (APA). Under the APA, when an agency abruptly reverses an established policy without adequate reason, the reversal is unlawful. See U.S. Dept. of Treasury v. FLRA, 995 F.3d 301 (D.C. Cir. 1993). An order from the President to reverse an established agency policy for political reasons is not, by itself, adequate reason to justify a reversal. See, eg., Motor Vehicle Mfrs. Ass'n. v. State Farm, 463 U.S. 29 (1983); Massachusetts v. EPA, 549 U.S. 497 (2007).

Unless President Trump can convince the courts there is some legitimate, non-political reason why the United States needs to rescind DACA waivers, the waivers will probably survive. DACA has other legal problems, and I think the red states' legal challenge to it will succeed. But just because DACA may be unlawful does not justify the president in behaving unlawfully to attack it.

Theodore Commitatus to support ur point on September 4, 2017 at 4:11 PM >

[lpbk2713]

11. Vacate the White House.

Send them to the Mojave Desert or The Everglades.

The whole world would be better off.

[Tatiana]

12. My son's teacher is a DACA recipient. She is completely distraught.

We need Congress to act immediately. Now that the "black man" they hated so much is out of office, maybe they can vote on decent immigration reform that allows DACA recipients a pathway to citizenship (or at the very least, allows them to remain in this country).

It is literally a life or death situation for some Central American and Mexican immigrants.

[dlk]

16. Republicans Require Someone to Hate. Who's Next?

[madokie]

17. We all need to go on strike

fuk tRump with a rusty fork

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

18. Even though most of them have been in this country longer than Melania

Many of them don't even speak the language of the country they were born in.

[m-lekktor]

19. They are heartless and pure evil. nt

[Solly Mack]

20. That man needs to go (along with his entire administration)

and I really don't care how it happens.

[Lobo27]

21. Here where I work.

There is 10 people on DACA. They all came in to HR, and my dad the owner said we're committed to them. And we're!!

Also this not just affecting Latino kids, two of our DACA workers are Asian and the other two are of Europeans decent. My heart breaks for them.

[George II]

22. trump "should prepare for 'departure from the white house"

[left-of-center2012]

23. Has Trump ordered boxcars to go to train depots?

[Xolodno]

25. This is how I pose this to RW people I know, it often shuts them up.

So you want to deport people who have been through our public schools system, went to college, served in the military, donated to no doubt in the very church you attend, pay taxes which means you don't have to pay more, run businesses etc.

Mexico is going to love you, we are sending scientists, teachers, business owners and their capital, etc. to them. And all on our dime. Shoot, I should emigrate to Mexico so my tax dollars stop paying welfare for those moonshiners who collect welfare, hammer the ER rooms with no ability to pay, drop out of high school, etc. Which will be difficult, because they look at Americans as free loaders who want their countries socialized health care without paying for it.

[lindysalsagal]

27. I'd love to see Canada make a blanket invitation to DACA victims, just to

embarass Sessions, et al.

[Glimmer of Hope]

31. Our economy would take such a huge hit. Ending DACA makes absolutely no sense unless

you are a racist asshole.

[Honeycombe8]

32. What if they don't have the money?

And all the things that need to be done. Transfer their bank accounts....to where? How much can they take with them? Find an apartment in...where? How much will it cost? How to apply for a job while still living in the U.S.? Otherwise, how can they pay their rent, if they don't have a job when they get there?

It's expensive to move. Shouldn't the govt pay for it, since they are the ones deporting them?

Maybe some will have relatives in the new country to help. What if the relatives live out in nowhere on a farm in Guatemala? What will someone raised American do there? You can't live there and work in a city? What can they do there, that they're qualified for? Farmhand? Waitress?

This is overwhelming. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them commit suicide, you know. Moving to another country you don't know, with no job, no money...maybe don't speak the language...impossible for some. I don't think I could do it.

[NanceGreggs]

34. Memo to the GOP ...

Trump et al should start preparing for departure from the White House.

[47of74]

39. My Memo to the GOP

Namely consists of the following: Go fuck yourselves in traffic.

[CozyMystery]

35. This is horrible. It's like living in a country of horrors ... something new every week.

This must not happen!

[LeftInTX]

36. My daughter's friend recently found out that her BC was forged

She moved to Mexico City last year.

She didn't want to take a risk with DACA.

[Initech]

37. Can we keep the DACA recipients and deport Trump?

[raven mad]

38. Remind anyone of Internment in WWII yet?

Bet sTrumpet is planning on property confiscation, bank account freezes, etc.

BASTARD.

[not fooled]

40. Good observation

Same sh*t, different assholes.

Supporters of this administration are the same segment of humanity that would have gleefully voted for Hitler or Mussolini. And the administration is made up of the same types of people who would have been in positions of power in Nazi Germany.

These people exist in every society. America just hid it better for a while.

[Calista241]

41. Trump's going to trade letting DACA kids stay in exchange for authorization to build the wall.

I wouldn't want to be Pelosi or Schumer and face this dilemma. i think, however, that they will accept the wall in exchange for DACA kids getting to stay. I think the legislation will be limited to DACA kids, and won't be some grand immigration reform act.