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haveahart

(905 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:01 AM Sep 2017

Obama DID NOT violate the Constitution with DACA. He issued an Executive Order.

HE DID NOT MAKE A LAW. He did what other Presidents have done for eons. The Executive Order will expire. No LAW was made or enacted by Obama.

Do not allow them to get away with meme. DACA has NOT been ruled "unconstitutional" as of this date. When and if it is then they can make that charge. The Constitution says that only Congress can declare war, yet Trump is talking about bombing the hell out of NK and Congress has not yet passed a war powers act. If SCOTUS decides that DACA was unconstitutional (and it may) then let the Congress deal with it by passing a law to protect the innocent. We are not making America white again. This land wasn't white to begin with, it never was and never will be.

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underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
1. Here's the legislative history of the DREAM ACT which started in
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:12 AM
Sep 2017

Here's an excerpt - The leg history actually starts in 2001

2010

The 111th Congress continued to consider the DREAM Act bill throughout 2010. S. 3827, a new version of the DREAM Act, includes numerous changes to address concerns raised about the bill. The DREAM Act, along with a repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", was incorporated into the National Defense Authorization Act for the Fiscal Year 2011. On September 21, 2010, the Senate filibuster of the bill was maintained in a 56–43 vote; it would have taken 60 votes to stop the filibuster and continue the progress of the bill.[27] The following day, Durbin introduced the bill once again along with Richard Lugar. Only two senators co-sponsored the bill and it was defeated again.[28]

Less than a month later, on November 16, President Barack Obama and top Democrats pledged to introduce the Dream Act into the House by November 29.[29] The House of Representatives passed the DREAM Act on December 8, 2010,[30][31] but the bill failed to reach the 60-vote threshold necessary to end debate on the Senate floor (55-41—Motion to invoke cloture on the motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment No. 3 to H.R. 5281).[32]

2011[edit]
On May 11, 2011 Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reintroduced the DREAM Act in the Senate. Some Republicans who had supported the bill in the past, including Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, Jon Kyl of Arizona, John McCain of Arizona, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, withheld their votes, objecting that such a bill should not be granted without increasing immigration enforcement. Reid indicated that he would consider adding a workplace enforcement measure in the DREAM Act that would require every employer to use E-Verify, the government's Internet-based work eligibility verification system.[33] President Obama supported the bill as one of his efforts to reform the US immigration system.[34]

In July 2011, the state of California enacted the California DREAM Act, giving illegal immigrant students access to private college scholarships for state schools.[35] In August, the state of Illinois authorized a privately funded scholarship plan for children of immigrants both legal and illegal.[36]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=9560275

Orrex

(66,584 posts)
2. That's not what the racist "Center for Immigration Studies" says!
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:13 AM
Sep 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029560286

Very glad that you posted this. Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies was on NPR this morning to catapult the propaganda, and the host did nothing to rein in his bullshit. Instead, she followed NPR's standard policy: let the Republican guest to frame the debate; let them make numerous unchallenged claims; thank them for their time.

Chasstev365

(6,995 posts)
3. Oh Come On! Of course it was illegal. He's a Democrat, right?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:15 AM
Sep 2017

ASSHOLE! I don't remember Jefferson Beauregard Sessions getting so righteously indignant when W issued more Executive Orders than any other president in history.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
10. Actually Bush is way, way down the list.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:16 AM
Sep 2017

Bush issued 291 EOs, Franklin Roosevelt issued 3700, Wilson issued 1800 and a bunch more issued more than Bush. Obama issued 276.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Of course he didn't. People forget, Obama's a constitutional scholar.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:17 AM
Sep 2017

Of course, there are limits to executive power. Unfortunately, for those of opportunistic character, what those limits should be varies strictly according to who is in power.

 

haveahart

(905 posts)
7. Sadly not everyone on the SCOTUS is a constitutional scholar. This could have been settled if
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:59 AM
Sep 2017

they had been.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. They all become. But not all have the required judicial temperament. Obama does.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:09 AM
Sep 2017

Speaking of the bad ones, why do we still have no information on why, with whom and for what purpose Scalia was attending the last of what were apparently a bunch of secret gatherings? 36 guests, and not one has broken the silence. Supposedly a meeting of an hunting club, the International Order of St. Hubertus, but what do they do with their time when they're posturing in green robes? Their U.S. headquarters address is a box in a DC UPS store.

handmade34

(23,810 posts)
6. "This land wasn't white to begin with..."
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:18 AM
Sep 2017


we must stop letting white, wealthy people be the only ones to write our history

rock

(13,218 posts)
13. If republiCANTs say it, I automatically assume it's a lie
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:45 AM
Sep 2017

This leads to less stress and more correct views.

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