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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:16 PM Sep 2017

***BREAKING*** Trump bucks GOP leadership, backs Democratic deal on debt ceiling, funding government

CNN)President Donald Trump bucked his own party Wednesday and sided with Democrats to support a deal that would ensure passage of disaster relief funding as well as raising the debt ceiling and continuing to fund the government into December.

In a rebuke to Republican leaders, Trump backed Democrats' plan to support a deal that would fund Hurricane Harvey aid but only raise the debt ceiling for three months. Those two items would also be tied to a measure to keep the government open through the end of December, setting up a hugely complicated year end crush of must-pass items.
Ignoring the advice of Republican congressional leadership and that of his own treasury secretary, Trump said he wanted a solution and supported the Democratic plan, according to a source briefed on a meeting that Trump held with congressional leaders Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-deal-democrats-republicans/index.html






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***BREAKING*** Trump bucks GOP leadership, backs Democratic deal on debt ceiling, funding government (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 OP
Your reaction is the same as mine! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2017 #1
He expects something in return. SergeStorms Sep 2017 #51
McConnell's face is even more dour than usual and I didn't BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #66
My thoughts exactly. Did Dems get that in writing? They are foolish to trust anything the guy RestoreAmerica2020 Sep 2017 #91
more likely an aneurysm spanone Sep 2017 #78
K&R... spanone Sep 2017 #2
that's what I thought... dhill926 Sep 2017 #44
Yep. In related news, McConnell and Ryan agree that tRump's budget decision is impeachable. ffr Sep 2017 #54
he sure didn't make any friends with the dark side today.😎 spanone Sep 2017 #56
His unpredictability is turning around to bite them in the *ss! Dustlawyer Sep 2017 #61
which will happen! spanone Sep 2017 #63
What's tbe big deal debt ceiling 3 month and hurricane funding MattP Sep 2017 #3
republicans. spanone Sep 2017 #5
The so-called Freedom Caucus is against it. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #6
repubs wanted a continuing resolution drray23 Sep 2017 #76
Does this really mean anything though? SaschaHM Sep 2017 #4
I'm not sure I see the significance either. Congress can do something different, and trump might Hoyt Sep 2017 #101
Is that a good thing? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #7
"I always feel like somebody's watching me." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #8
It must feel pretty inconvient for you at the moment... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #11
You Like Me DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #13
You know we must be neighbors...right? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #16
Birmingham High School. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #20
Bingo! Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #23
You must be like, half in love with DSB. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #15
I expect this in my inbox DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #21
Nice dodge, but what about the fact that your umpteen threads of the past week... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #26
Or this in my inbox DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #27
You've established that you have good taste in music (IMO) but... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #29
I like all genres, from Dylan To Tupac DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #30
Super, now what about dealing with how wrong you were about the premise of recent threads... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #32
TLDR- Another video DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #33
Great song, with a great performance backed by The Band, but... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #36
TLDR- Another video DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #37
Now you are recycling music videos instead of recycling attack lines... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #39
TLDR- Another video DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #42
keep swatting, it won't be long now!! Sunlei Sep 2017 #88
Oh, FFS!! This thread has nothing to do with that!! What will it take for you to stop Squinch Sep 2017 #43
Here is a song for the senior senator from CA our friend would serenade her with DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #45
Love him. Going to see him in October! Squinch Sep 2017 #46
Enjoy yourself. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #48
Or this? George II Sep 2017 #68
I think you must be right. That stalky, harassing kind of love. Squinch Sep 2017 #40
I wonder if they are related. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #49
A song for the seemingly inseparable trifecta... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #57
/Throws song at you! here catch!! here is "a blanket & a coat" for Ds only! Sunlei Sep 2017 #80
to soon. no one around here trusts republicans 'words' until papers are signed. Sunlei Sep 2017 #74
I'm guessing it's either validation or a hug you want...? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #98
He wants to get this stuff off the front burner so he can keep destroying Obamacare... TygrBright Sep 2017 #9
ooh look, he has "appeared" to do something sane Afromania Sep 2017 #10
he had a moment of clarity from his dementia. Javaman Sep 2017 #12
more likely than not his ass is running from that garbage DACA decision. Afromania Sep 2017 #17
Pleased to meet you. Hope you guess my name* Achilleaze Sep 2017 #14
Or DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #25
The other day someone posted a way to get Trump Humpers really angry eleny Sep 2017 #18
Nah, he just hates McConnell. NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #50
As much as I despise Drumph MarcA Sep 2017 #62
Good move on Dems part mcar Sep 2017 #19
They keep acting like raising the debt ceiling is "optional" ThoughtCriminal Sep 2017 #22
Tells you a lot about Rs, though, doesn't it? Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2017 #100
Are there enough GOP votes to pass it? broadcaster90210 Sep 2017 #24
Mr trump can squeeze the republican partys nuts like he knocked them ALL off the republicans stage. Sunlei Sep 2017 #72
You pee in Donnie's cheerios, he pees in yours. Thomas Hurt Sep 2017 #28
Just in time for the holidays IronLionZion Sep 2017 #31
Don't trust Humpty Dumpty...he could flip flop tomorrow iluvtennis Sep 2017 #34
Flops are almost guaranteed with a guy who is unhinged to principles... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #38
The Trumpty Dance... Kleveland Sep 2017 #81
Have never seen that video- that's for posting it. LMBO iluvtennis Sep 2017 #90
Glad that it was enjoyed... Kleveland Sep 2017 #93
Tupac was in the Digital Underground. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #94
Who couldn't like Chuck and Nancy more than Mitch and Paul ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #35
Wow! But I bet he took that position because he doesn't even understand the issue. But.... George II Sep 2017 #41
Pssst, Trump... if you want to piss off the GOP elite ya know the best way? flamingdem Sep 2017 #47
we'll take it as long as he signs right away. no bullshit for even a day or trumps cred is gone. Sunlei Sep 2017 #87
He is probably just trying to buy the Repugnants time to come up with a more cruel plan down cstanleytech Sep 2017 #52
Trump wants his credit card to keep working. Quelle Surprise. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #53
Something is AMISS. He has the SAME SMILE he had when the Russians were visiting his office. onecent Sep 2017 #55
no trust until all papers are signed & deal is done. Sunlei Sep 2017 #70
I don't like it humbled_opinion Sep 2017 #58
And if Trump should (improbably) come ot for Bernie Sander's healthcare plan Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #64
medicade/single payer for all? yes we take the deal and get it signed in as law right away. Sunlei Sep 2017 #71
I wonder if Humble Opinion would agree? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #73
If its 'true" we _will_ take the deal. I guarantee that. Sunlei Sep 2017 #75
That would seemingly contradict the approach offered earlier by another poster. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #79
/sings snoop dog song'I wanna Love you"......I see you whinin' & grindin' out on that pole Sunlei Sep 2017 #83
I agree with you. Working with Trump does nothing for us, and he will definitely turn on us again. anneboleyn Sep 2017 #86
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #95
They give him a win humbled_opinion Sep 2017 #104
Simple ailsagirl Sep 2017 #59
This is his way of sending a message to KGOP that he holds grudges... Lyricalinklines Sep 2017 #60
yes he hates the way Republican leaders have stabbed him in the back. but trump has to produce ASAP- Sunlei Sep 2017 #77
trump is the world's worse negotiator....hands down. spanone Sep 2017 #65
Is it a deal, or a sea change? bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #67
ok good, must be why & helpful the D rode around with him on the flights today. His R party throws Sunlei Sep 2017 #69
I will give devils their due DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #82
What the hell is going on here? Glimmer of Hope Sep 2017 #84
+1, how does this benefit Dems politically?!?! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #96
tRump is an easily manipulated idiot, and the Ds have figured it out. stopbush Sep 2017 #85
+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #99
Yeah for Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer Gothmog Sep 2017 #89
I think he was just bored and wanted the meeting... LAS14 Sep 2017 #92
I wonder how much we paid him. And in what coin. raven mad Sep 2017 #97
****BREAKING****Still no recognition that Dianne Feinstein had it right, Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #102
Looks like it's time for Buddy Holly and the ***Crickets*** Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #103

SergeStorms

(18,898 posts)
51. He expects something in return.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:04 PM
Sep 2017

And I'm willing to bet anything it's his stupid wall. Congressional Democrats had better not bend on that point!

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
66. McConnell's face is even more dour than usual and I didn't
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:54 PM
Sep 2017

think that was possible. I thought his expression when McCain gave the thumbs down on ACA Repeal was pretty bad but this tops it. They showed a picture of Schummer, Pelosi and McConnell speaking with 45 in the W House during the meeting. Ryan is pissed off too. GOOD!

Of course the fake prez will changet his mind "in two weeks" or maybe two hours (like with tweet about DACA).

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,433 posts)
91. My thoughts exactly. Did Dems get that in writing? They are foolish to trust anything the guy
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:33 PM
Sep 2017

..now occupyng the white house has to say--he is a liar!

ffr

(22,649 posts)
54. Yep. In related news, McConnell and Ryan agree that tRump's budget decision is impeachable.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:17 PM
Sep 2017

FINALLY!












Don't we all wish!

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
61. His unpredictability is turning around to bite them in the *ss!
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:40 PM
Sep 2017

At least until he changes his mind and does a 180!

drray23

(7,587 posts)
76. repubs wanted a continuing resolution
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:37 PM
Sep 2017

to go past the 2018 midterms. The fact it will be up for discussion again in december makes it easier for dems to score political points shortly before the midterms.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
4. Does this really mean anything though?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:32 PM
Sep 2017

Are there enough Republicans on board with the Dem plan for it to pass. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a tantrum and refused to even consider the Pelosi/Schumer plan.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
101. I'm not sure I see the significance either. Congress can do something different, and trump might
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:35 PM
Sep 2017

change his mind anyway.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
7. Is that a good thing?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:33 PM
Sep 2017

Did Donald Trump (in this isolated case) change?

A few days ago you were telling us that could never happen.

Care to admit you were wrong about that premise?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
8. "I always feel like somebody's watching me."
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:37 PM
Sep 2017

Is that a good thing?

Did Donald Trump (in this isolated case) change?

A few days ago you were telling us that could never happen.

Care to admit you were wrong about that premise?

-Expecting Rain


Dance


 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
11. It must feel pretty inconvient for you at the moment...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:43 PM
Sep 2017

to have this thread undermine the premise of (how many were there again?) the barrage of threads you created in the past week, and to have someone notice that fact.


Karma is a bitch.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
15. You must be like, half in love with DSB.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:47 PM
Sep 2017

Considering how much fervor you put in stalking him.

Obsession - not just a 90s cologne.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
26. Nice dodge, but what about the fact that your umpteen threads of the past week...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:57 PM
Sep 2017

now appear to be based on a false premise?

Care to apologize? I'm sure Sen. Feinstein would appreciate it, as would I.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
29. You've established that you have good taste in music (IMO) but...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:04 PM
Sep 2017

you are also guilty of dodging the point.

You blasted the idea that Donald Trump would or could ever positively change his position on any issue, and excoriated Dianne Feinstein for urging him to do so (in how many threads was that?), and now you post about an example that completely undercuts your point.

And you post music videos as a response?

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
32. Super, now what about dealing with how wrong you were about the premise of recent threads...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:14 PM
Sep 2017

that lambasted Sen Feinstein, whose position is vindicated by the example in this thread?

We both agree that Donald Trump is an odious pig. It sickens me that he is in the Oval Office and I'm certain I speak for both of us.

To limit the damage, in my estimation, we need to attempt to bend this asshole in the right direction when we are able and to resist him when we can't. These are the same points made by Sen. Feinstein, who is a pretty smart politician.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
36. Great song, with a great performance backed by The Band, but...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:21 PM
Sep 2017

another evasion of the salient questions.

You smeared Dianne Feinstein all week saying, Donald Trump would never/could never change positions on anything.

Then you present the evidence that your premise was incorrect and all you have to offer are music videos and

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
39. Now you are recycling music videos instead of recycling attack lines...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:26 PM
Sep 2017

an improvement I suppose, as I never tire of Dylan doing Forever Young, but....

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
43. Oh, FFS!! This thread has nothing to do with that!! What will it take for you to stop
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:31 PM
Sep 2017

stalking and harassing DSB?? It's gotten to a point where it is way beyond bizarre.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
98. I'm guessing it's either validation or a hug you want...?
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:42 PM
Sep 2017

"Care to admit you were wrong about that premise?"

I'm guessing it's either validation or a hug you want...? Maybe both?

TygrBright

(20,733 posts)
9. He wants to get this stuff off the front burner so he can keep destroying Obamacare...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:38 PM
Sep 2017

...and get tax breaks for his buds.

These are just nasty distractions, to him. Push them aside for now.

Particularly important since the window for easy trashing of the ACA will close 9/30.

wearily,
Bright

Afromania

(2,767 posts)
10. ooh look, he has "appeared" to do something sane
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:39 PM
Sep 2017

somebody call Van Jones. It's time to cry some more about *45 "appearing" presidential. Plenty of time for his racist base to convince him to do something idiotic.

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
12. he had a moment of clarity from his dementia.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:44 PM
Sep 2017

it's been known to happen.

it would happen with my Mom.

Afromania

(2,767 posts)
17. more likely than not his ass is running from that garbage DACA decision.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:48 PM
Sep 2017

He's thrown just about everybody he could under the bus and there is nobody to hide behind for the decision. He tried to put sessions out there to get roasted but the public isn't falling for that.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
18. The other day someone posted a way to get Trump Humpers really angry
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:49 PM
Sep 2017

I can't recall who the DUer is but they suggested telling Trump followers that he's really a secret Democrat.

Looks like today's decision is a ready made example to try out! Just for grins, of course.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
50. Nah, he just hates McConnell.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:52 PM
Sep 2017

He doesn't understand the debt ceiling and couldn't care less about it. He just wanted to stick it to Mitch.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,010 posts)
22. They keep acting like raising the debt ceiling is "optional"
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:52 PM
Sep 2017

Like I could decide that paying the electric bill is irresponsible spending and skip it.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
72. Mr trump can squeeze the republican partys nuts like he knocked them ALL off the republicans stage.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:27 PM
Sep 2017

let him get the votes.

IronLionZion

(45,259 posts)
31. Just in time for the holidays
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:10 PM
Sep 2017

We'll get to see Trump the grinch ruin people's lives with a shutdown stopping badly needed services and end of year budget decisions.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
38. Flops are almost guaranteed with a guy who is unhinged to principles...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:24 PM
Sep 2017

as Donald Trump.

So we have to push him in the right direction when we can and resist we can't.

That's what politics is all about.

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
93. Glad that it was enjoyed...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:08 PM
Sep 2017

And the odd thing is, I seriously dislike rap and hip-hop!

But that performance cracks me up! Humpty is something...

It is pretty old, first saw it on MTV.... a long time ago.

Cheers!

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
52. He is probably just trying to buy the Repugnants time to come up with a more cruel plan down
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:04 PM
Sep 2017

the road that consents of multiple cuts for varies social programs including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
53. Trump wants his credit card to keep working. Quelle Surprise.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:06 PM
Sep 2017

The man has no principles, and no real allegiances beyond the dollar.

Always remember that.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
55. Something is AMISS. He has the SAME SMILE he had when the Russians were visiting his office.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:19 PM
Sep 2017

I wish I could bring both of them up!!!

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
58. I don't like it
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:26 PM
Sep 2017

There is no working with this guy, I fear we are heading down a bad path, these little wins will make him more popular, right when he was at rock bottom, we shouldn't let him get any wind in his sails it will backfire on us, his base will not be swayed by talk of him caving to Democratic demands that dog won't hunt, his base is rock solid, he could come out tomorrow backing Bernie's Medicare for all and his rabid supporters will still sing his praises.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
64. And if Trump should (improbably) come ot for Bernie Sander's healthcare plan
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:48 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:29 PM - Edit history (1)

tomorrow, we should reflexively oppose it so Trump doesn't get political traction?

Is that your argument?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
83. /sings snoop dog song'I wanna Love you"......I see you whinin' & grindin' out on that pole
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:02 PM
Sep 2017

The song if you don't know it, enjoy. Snoop dogg you know how it is some love that music and others don't but he is popular

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
86. I agree with you. Working with Trump does nothing for us, and he will definitely turn on us again.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:08 PM
Sep 2017

Plus after the DACA decision I have no idea why anyone here thinks working with Trump, giving him any sort of win, is a good idea. It's a terrible idea.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
104. They give him a win
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 07:19 PM
Sep 2017

at their own peril, when you have your opponent on the ropes you don't help them by going to your corner or giving them a breather, the worst possible scenario for the Democratic party is a Trump polling at 50 percent or better, just watch when the deals start the entire #resist movement will have been worthless.

Lyricalinklines

(367 posts)
60. This is his way of sending a message to KGOP that he holds grudges...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:39 PM
Sep 2017

...they didn't get healthcare done the way he wanted it.
Now national disaster(s) threaten health, commerce and transportation. And he's spent security into the red in just 7 months - all the while lining his and his childrens company coffers with tax money.

Of course he's going to 'court' the others! Playing one side against the other is what he does to get what he wants!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
77. yes he hates the way Republican leaders have stabbed him in the back. but trump has to produce ASAP-
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:38 PM
Sep 2017

and he knows he has to produce immediately.

bucolic_frolic

(42,675 posts)
67. Is it a deal, or a sea change?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:11 PM
Sep 2017

Now that he's F'd everything up for Democrats, he's going to turn on Republicans and F everything up for them?

Or just a once and done to make it look like he's doing something?

Does anyone know, can anyone guess?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
69. ok good, must be why & helpful the D rode around with him on the flights today. His R party throws
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:20 PM
Sep 2017

His R party throws him under the bus over the Russia thing.

Mr Trump knows his fellow high-up Republicans stab him in the back for past 7 months. Republican leadership doesn't care if he drops dead from natural causes, quits or gets arrested/impeached.

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
85. tRump is an easily manipulated idiot, and the Ds have figured it out.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:08 PM
Sep 2017

Give him a small "victory," and before long he will find himself turning to the Ds to get things done. At that point, all the Ds need do is point out that the Rs are worthless, and that the reason nothing is getting done is because their policies are crap and the American people hate them. It then becomes a small matter of convincing tRump that his poll numbers would go up a lot if he would work with Ds to adopt D policies, policies most Americans want.

tRump only needs to get 3 R Senators to side with any deal he makes with the Ds. The House might be trickier, but as the elections loom and House Rs realize their party is dragging them down, enough could switch their votes to enable a pro-D agenda to move thru Congres and to be enacted.

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
92. I think he was just bored and wanted the meeting...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:38 PM
Sep 2017

... and the issue to go away. Also to stupid/disinterested to get the Repubs' rationale.

I think it's always a mistake to try to figure out his reasoning. I don't think he reasons.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
97. I wonder how much we paid him. And in what coin.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:38 PM
Sep 2017

Maybe a promise to NOT put the pee pee tapes on YouTube........... LOL!

I simply cannot believe he agreed to this. Someone has something, somewhere on him.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
102. ****BREAKING****Still no recognition that Dianne Feinstein had it right,
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:38 PM
Sep 2017

and that the attacks on her last week were all wrong.

Music videos (likely) to follow.

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