MSNBC: Mayor of Hollywood FL tells people to,,,,

[Cryptoad]

"shelter in place" since not enough gas in South Florida to get people out!


Another example of Failed GOP Leadership!

[exboyfil]

1. Well you have to understand he is not a black Democrat mayor

Houston's approach has been completely vindicated.

[Cryptoad]

5. vindicated my ass,,,,,

Mayor of Houston had no choice but tell the people to shelter in place since 20 years of Failed GOP leadership of Harris county created a cluster fucked community which did not have the infrastructure to evacuate the people because their Greed was stronger than their need to not to develop a swamp with roads and houses below the flood plain....

[TheBlackAdder]

44. Besides that, how do you vacate an area the size and population of Connecticut or New Jersey?

[Warpy]

2. "Shelter in place" is lethal advice to anyone within 5 miles of the coast

C'mon, assholes, at least tell them to go that far inland and find a substantial building.

[Mariana]

31. "Shelter in place" means don't try to flee the area.

"Shelter" is the key word here. He doesn't mean stay put in your beach house or in your mobile home. It means go to the nearby shelters if your place isn't safe, not the ones hundreds of miles away.

[Warpy]

32. No shit, but too many people are going to take it literally

instead of getting out of that beach house or trailer and going to a substantial building inland.

"Shelter in place" without elaboration is lethal.

[B2G]

33. The beach areas have been under mandatory evac since yesterday.

Folks in mobile homes have been told to find a sturdier shelter.

That's not what he meant.

[Mariana]

35. You don't know what's being broadcast locally.

I can pretty much guarantee you the TV and radio stations are telling everyone in excruciating detail what they should do and where they should go. Seriously, the biggest danger is people watching cable news instead of local channels - the local channels have all the useful information for the immediate area, the cable news are sensationalizing everything and giving only part of the story much of the time.

ETA: I was in a Cat. 4 hurricane in 1979. Even back then, the local authorities did a fantastic job of getting the word out. No one was confused about the seriousness of the storm, the dangers of staying in low lying areas or in flimsy structures, or the locations of the many designated shelters.

[Warpy]

45. Actually, I do. Miami stations are all online and doing a great job

The problem is always the cable obsessed folks who rarely watch local news except for the weather forecast, skipping the rest. Or the people who just don't bother watching any news, at all.

Brevard County in 2004 had cars with loudspeakers coming through to warn people to get off the barrier islands. Even at that, my dad was a stubborn old coot who decided to stay put. He didn't flood out and didn't have much damage, but he also didn't enjoy the experience. There will always be people who take "shelter in place" as just that. Most of them won't be as lucky as my dad.

[Mariana]

46. Stubborn old coots won't leave no matter what officials say.

In Mobile in 1979, the rumour was that they went out and arrested the stubborn old coots who wouldn't obey mandatory evacuation orders, kept them at the jailhouse, and let them out after the storm had passed. I have no idea if the story is true.

[titaniumsalute]

3. Problem is where do you go anyway?

You can 150 miles north...storm could easily hit there. You could go to the Gulf Coast and it might hit there. Where do you go?

[Cryptoad]

6. Al, TN, AR, MS, KY

I had rather be anywhere put in the direct path.

[NightWatcher]

8. The roads out of Florida are jammed and there is not enough gas to get out safely

Would you rather secure and hunker down in your house or risk being stuck on the interstate for a couple of days with no gas and no way to get out?

[Cryptoad]

10. Thats what I said in the OP

Failed GOP Leadership for there not to be enough gas in South Florida to evacuate! Now they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off!

[NightWatcher]

11. We need an evacuation infrastructure in place since these storms will continue and worsen

We need to have a fuel and supply delivery system to accommodate millions fleeing north up 95 and 75.

[titaniumsalute]

14. It isn't just a gasoline issue

It is a gridlock issue. What do you spend money to build a 20 lane highway that never gets used except once every ten years?

Where do people stay? Where do they eat? Where do they get the money to get hotels and food if they are lower income?

It is a little bigger issue than a political one.

[Cryptoad]

15. Everytime I have driven I95 and I75

it would not hurt for it to be 20 lanes,,,,,,, lack of gas is the Problem,,,,according to the GO, there is not enough gas in south FL to get everybody out...... It is a political problem above the current problem ,,, GOP has failed to plan and build for such disasters for one reason,,,,, if they did they would have to cut out some of those tax cut for the GOP Oligarchs......

[titaniumsalute]

18. Ok. You seem to know everything. If they had gas 6 million people could leave. Good day to you.

[Cryptoad]

20. No Im not the sharpest tool in the shed,,,,

but I know that if there no gas,, airports and trains shut down....walking is your only way out. also i know You can disagree with someone without being rude. bye

[titaniumsalute]

21. Where would you store this gas for reserves?

You know gas goes bad and in the humidity of Florida it goes bad quickly. Gas stations can only have so many underground tanks. You'd have to have fleets of hundreds and hundreds of tanker trucks working 24 hours per day two days before a hurricane. As someone who lived in South Florida trust me I have both thought about this ad nauseum and have lived it first hand.

[Cryptoad]

23. You dont have to store it

build a pipeline with enough capacity to S FL....... cost a lot less than what this one storm is going to cost us!

BTW there has been one proposed for years,,,, but the GOP Oligarchs will not fund it since they wouid have to cut tax breaks to the Super Rich.....

[titaniumsalute]

24. I've never heard of a proposed gasoline pipeline

I know about the Natural Gas pipelines being proposed. I've also never heard a Conservative Republican against a gas or oil pipeline.

[titaniumsalute]

25. Oh and by the way...

According to nearly every friend in PBC right now there are multiple places with gasoline and not much wait.

And here's the Gas Buddy...from Boca Raton. Within the last 5 hours or so all of these stations have gasoline.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPrices/Florida/Boca%20Raton

[Not Ruth]

30. Bicycle

[Cryptoad]

37. Yes indeed!

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. News said Mayor of Palm Beach said that yesterday.

http://bocanewsnow.com/2017/09/06/hurricane-irma-palm-beach-county-says-stay-not-enough-gas-to-evacuate/

Think about that for a sec.
What is the first thing anyone in So. fla is gonna do? and No. Fla? and Georgia, all in line for the storm to hit hard.

Luckily for them, Fla. has lax gun laws.

he said it yesterday, people can still drive out, from So. fla, but they will hit a need for gas in coastal Al. or Ga, or the Fla. panhandle. It's 6 h 16 min (438.6 mi) via Florida's Turnpike and I-75 N from Miami to Valdosta Ga, and equivalent areas north, and people are leaving the Fla. Keys in any event. which is even further South.

They have TIME, maybe not gas. But NOW everyone is gonna hit the roads, even tho there are 2 days before landfall in South Fla. and Miami area alone has 5 million people, not all will rush to leave, but enough will panic.

I've seen this happen more than once down here, even without gas shortages to spur on the fear.

[Initech]

4. In other words...

[cwydro]

7. In past hurricanes, they made all interstate lanes

open for outgoing traffic. Not sure why they're not doing that.

[B2G]

9. Because they are trying to get gas and supplies IN. nt

[cwydro]

12. I hear you on that.

This could get bad fast.

Just struck me as odd because they've done it before, for much lesser storms.

[B2G]

13. I think lesser storms is the key.

And people are forgetting that fuel shortages there are a real thing on the heels of Harvey. I posted about this earlier this week.

[cwydro]

16. Yeah, guess you're right.

This is really frightening.

[B2G]

19. It is. nt

[brooklynite]

17. Meanwhile, a mandatory evacuation has been ordered for parts of the City east of Route 1...

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Mandatory evacuation with no way out?

I have a friend in Miami who has to stay there for some reason to do with family, I am worried about him

[Mariana]

34. Good grief. Mandatory evacuation to nearby shelters.

[Eliot Rosewater]

39. Oh, that is different than what I assumed meant you had to leave the area.

I havent asked my friend if he is in a shelter.

[Mariana]

42. My folks live on an island on the Gulf Coast.

They've had mandatory evacuations half a dozen times since they moved there 20 years ago. They usually head to a shelter about 10 miles from the house. It's a solid building on high enough ground that it won't be flooded.

Your friend won't be in a shelter now. The storm is days away yet.

[still_one]

27. Why don't they bring in busses?

[Mariana]

36. Busses need fuel, too. nt.

[still_one]

38. True, but they carry more people on less fuel

[Mariana]

41. If there's no fuel to be had, it doesn't matter how efficient they are.

No one wants to be on the road in a dead bus while a hurricane is raging.

[Not Ruth]

28. Should have evacuated on Monday

[Not Ruth]

29. They have 3 days to evacuate, you could go 20 miles/day via bicycle easily, some 100 miles/day

Gotta think out of the box

[Mariana]

40. Get back in that box.

It's an interesting mental exercise, though. Suppose you aren't old or disabled and you don't have any kids and you can do that. You bike 300 miles north and you're still in Florida, you still get hit by the hurricane. There are so many shelters set up that you probably find one that's just like the ones near home, and you ride out the storm there. Then what? How do you bike back 300 miles on wrecked roads covered with debris? How many spare tubes do you have? Not enough. Do you ditch the bike and walk home? How long does that take? Stores and restaurants are closed and there isn't any clean drinking water. And so on.

[Not Ruth]

43. After the storm sell the bike and use the money to take a bus back