I have had enough...Hillary WON the popular vote! COMEY

[BigmanPigman]

is the reason why we are in this predicament. NEVER forget this! She did nothing wrong. Period.

[enough]

1. I voted for Bernie in my state's primary and Hillary in the general election.

I agree that COMEY is the single most important reason that Trump "won" the election.

[democratisphere]

2. +TRILLION

[Baconator]

3. I heard the losing team in the last superbowl had more time of possession with the ball...

The other team had more points though... so guess who gets the fancy ring?

If you can't accept that the 2016 campaign (from before the primaries until the concession phone call) had serious fundamental flaws, you had best prepare for another round of losses in 2018 and 2020.

[brush]

10. That's so effin smart (not). Name one campaign ever that didn't have flaws.

The OP is right. The election (check the polls) was won then Comey, the fucking FBI director who should know better than anyone else, violated the Hatch Act and sent that letter gravely influencing the election's outcome, which the Hatch Act was passed to prevent.

I don't want to hear the conventional wisdom of the punditry and repug talking points that Clinton ran a horrible campaign and has no one to blame but herself and blah blah blah blah blah.

She had the election won, witness the popular vote-winning margin of 3 million.

Also has it occurred to you that the 70-some thousand vote margin in Wi, Mi, and Penn was just enough to swing the EC. That's no innocent coincidence. Those states and those vote totals were calculated, targeted, and made to happen. For instance, in Detroit, MI, a majority African-American city, thousands of ballots had no mark for the top of the ticket. Yeah, right . All those black people are going to decide to not vote for a Democrat (Clinton) for president by not checking off the most important race on the ballot.

Bullshit!

Also in Detroit, one third of the precincts had more ballots than registered voters. And guess who those extra ballots voted for for president?

So I don't buy at all, at fucking all, the "fundamentally flawed campaign" crappola.

It was a coup. The election was stolen with Russian help, and of course Comey's.

Those believing other wise are either naive, dumb or Hillary haters refusing to open their eyes and admitting that repugs cheat and did unprecedented cheating in 2016 — political hack Comey and Putin at your service.

[clu]

12. lots of these posts are not worth replying to

I've agreed with most of your replies in the past few days. I'll retreat and pick my battles though. Some of the responses are just not worth the time.

edit: the immediate post that I replied to is in-bounds. however I would not bother with any other comments to your post.

[emulatorloo]

16. The pundit class wants their catch-phrase back.

[Baconator]

18. Point stands...

'She won the popular vote' is the cry of someone who has yet to learn and is doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

[emulatorloo]

19. Nah, brush pretty much demolished the tired "most-terrible-awful-campaign-ever" talking point.

I get your point re "She Won The Popular Vote," Nonetheless it is a fact.

[Baconator]

22. No one is suggesting "most-terrible-awful-campaign-ever" except...

... for those who are uncomfortable talking about what really happened.

It simply wasn't good enough.

Frankly, it should have been a walk in the fucking park but they still managed to find a way to get it within a 70K margin and here we are.

No one is looking for perfect but competent would have been nice.

[emulatorloo]

26. I think Trump was a more formidable opponent than some here think.

- Came into this with a huge amount of fame and an established brand
- Charismatic (even though it doesn't appeal to us, he has it)



On paper looks like a walk in the park, but in reality that bastard defeated a lot of Republicans on the way to the top.

[Bettie]

41. And Clinton was saddled with

25+ years of bogus investigations and negative propaganda. That is really hard to overcome, nearly impossible.

There are voters who don't recall a time when she wasn't under some kind of "scandal". The sad thing is that she never did anything wrong, but it got into people's heads that she's dishonest and/or a criminal and that kind of subconscious thing sticks.

Oh, and massive voter suppression, that helped Agent Orange too.

[George II]

42. The Patriots had the ball almost twice as long as the Falcons - 40 minutes to 23 minutes. Who won?

[Me.]

4. Always Heard Pigs Are Smart

[still_one]

5. No doubt it was a major factor. Hillary was leading in every poll prior to letter to the

republicans in Congress 11 days before the election, and that they would be re-examining emails from a laptop they had for at least a month. The first thing, the MEDIA did was say that the email investigation was being reopened. THAT WAS A LIE.

MSNBC reported that, then paraded every republican politician across their screen to propagate that LIE for the next two hours. Soon other networks and newspapers were spewing the same bullshit LIE, and in the next several days the lead that Hillary had was completely erased. There is no such thing as coincidences. This was cause and effect.

All this time Comey remained UNAVAILABLE for comment, and allowed this bullshit to spin out of control.

As things started to quiet down, Bret Baer from fox news reported "from HIS sources in the FBI, they told him an indictment against the Clinton Foundation was imminent. That was also a LIE, but that didn't stop other news outlets from reporting it. A few days later Bret Baer came out and apologized for his reports, saying he was mistaken, but the damage was pretty much already done then, and the social media had already spread the LIE like wild fire.

It was disappointing to see Rachel Maddow praising Bret Baer for admitting "the mistake", which most probably wasn't a mistake.

By the time the end of the week rolled around, late Friday, Comey came out and reported that there was nothing new in those emails, and that the investigation would NOT be reopened. Of course the damage had already been done, and while the media reported it, they didn't give it that much attention.

Comey is no hero, and the media distorted the facts again. They characterized the Democrats as double faced because they first bashed Comey for when he released letter to the republicans in Congress, and then praised him when he went after trump. That of course is a complete distortion of what happened. They were rightful upset with Comey when he violated the Hatch Act by interfering in an election 11 days before, but they weren't praising him when he revealed the obstruction that trump was involved in. They simply trying to get at the truth. The two events were mutually exclusive, and they never praised Comey.

[Glimmer of Hope]

6. Should have been. No doubt.

[mythology]

7. If she hadn't decided to use a private email server, there wouldn't have been a Comey announcement

That was entirely within her control and was absolutely a mistake. Yes I know others have done the same thing, and it was a mistake for them as well in terms of security, but neither Rice or Powell ran for president. Regardless of the legality of using a private server, it was absolutely wrong of her to do that given she was all but certain to run in 2016. It left her incredibly vulnerable.

Pretending she did nothing wrong is just whitewashing history. State Department rules absolutely don't allow for a private email server.

[oasis]

8. E-mail story was blown all out of proportion. Sham investigation.

But then, you probably already knew that.

[ucrdem]

11. She did nothing wrong. On the contrary.

Her email server proved to be more secure than the State Department's which was hacked six ways to Sunday. Hers wasn't.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/state-department-hack-worst-ever/index.html

[clu]

13. thanks for the link

but I did not read that her server was more secure than the state dept - only that the state dept server was vulnerable for an extended period of time. it's a minor nitpick but I would like something nice and firm to beat repukes over the head with. such issues were never an issue for me, but after watching commercials for lifelock ID protection (and what's worse, some of their competitors), most people are computer-ignorant (no fault of their own) and may have been susceptible to RW smear.

[ucrdem]

17. Lots of red meat was tossed in that direction but I've found no evidence

that her server was ever actually hacked. Comey wouldn't say for sure that it wasn't, for example, and I don't know if he ever definitively answered the question before he rolled up the FBI investigation. But I think we can be sure that if evidence of an actual intrusion, and not just an attempted intrusion, of which there does seem to be evidence, had ever been discovered, Comey and Trump would have made sure the world knew about it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/partisan-spin-on-clintons-emails/

[clu]

40. if they're using NSA spy tools

there may be a chance that any IT staff wouldn't have known. bleachbit prevents any forensic review.

[MrsCoffee]

46. BUT HER FUCKING EMAILS!!1111!!$!

[Hoyt]

9. Comey, more ignorant white wing racists voted than expected, and a big enough

Democrats who usually vote sat out or actually voted for Trump.

[Stonepounder]

14. Could we PLEASE quit rehashing the last election?

If you want to talk about voting machines, vote counting, Russian influence, and all the other crap that went on, fine. Even better, lets discuss how we prevent it in the NEXT election. Quit wasting time and energy fighting the last election. Hell, Al Gore lost the election because SCOTUS said that recounting the votes would be unfair!

Y'all are going to get a crick in your necks looking backward so much. If you waste all your time and energy looking back, you won't have any time or energy to look forward and fight.

[MrsCoffee]

45. No.

[jalan48]

15. How long is our mourning period over the 2016 election?

Maybe we should start looking ahead to next year-the past is over.

[emulatorloo]

21. Probably until Trump's out of the White House n/t

[jalan48]

24. Stock up on facial tissues.

[emulatorloo]

29. Hey just gave you my take on why this is ongoing

Keep your facial tissues

[jalan48]

33. No problem. I quit morning for Hillary months ago.

[emulatorloo]

35. Yeah the mourning doesn't really change anything.

[jalan48]

36. True. Hopefully we can take back part of our government in 2018. That's where my energy is directed.

[CloudsInMyCoffee]

20. The EC must GO!

Period. It's time to end a 200 year tradition that favored slave states. It's 2018.

[Honeycombe8]

23. Russia and Trump's collusion with Russia are the reasons Trump is President. And she did do wrong.

She did do wrong in setting up her own private server, in violation of govt policy at that time. She did do wrong in sending or receiving classified emails not on a govt protected server or device. The mishandling of classified info and emails can be a criminal offense. These things are the reason there was an investigation.

However, the FBI determined that nothing she did rose to the level of a crime, and therefore, they did not recommend filing charges. The FBI found that she had been careless with the classified emails, but not criminal, which requires a certain intention. The DOJ could have filed charges, anyway, but they followed the FBI's recommendation.

She or someone on her team did in fact destroy the server and thousands of emails, although may not have been intentional. Again, the FBI determined that nothing they did rose to the level of a crime. So she did do "wrong," but did not do anything criminal.

The Comey October surprise had an effect, but I don't think that's what caused Trump to "win" in those three unexpected states. I do think Russia hacked the election systems in a few key districts in several states. We know Russia sent forth over 1,000 trolls to stir up propaganda against Clinton on the internet, and spew fake news...very hateful, disgusting, crude posts on reddit and other places, as well as circulate outrageous conspiracy theories (she was having people killed, etc.). (I do think Sanders supporters were used to some extent by the trolls, but again, that wasn't a deciding factor, IMO.)

We may never know for sure. Our govt will never tell us if Russia hacked the election systems.

[clu]

25. it's a good thing reality winner told us about russian election hacking

8)

[dchill]

27. "Our govt will never tell us..." IKR?

Add it to the list.

[Honeycombe8]

28. What does IKR mean? nt

[dchill]

30. "I know, right?"

[L. Coyote]

31. Wow. No one has said this before.

This is so last November.

[Eyeball_Kid]

32. According to Steele's dossier,

Putin had some very clear goals with regard to the US political and social institutions. His primary goal was to add chaos, instability, division, cynicism, loss of faith in US government by using various human and technological tools. It should be noted that, not only did Putin succeed in his wildest dreams, but the embodiment of all of goals is being carried out on a daily basis by Trumpy. Compare Putin's goals with Trumpy's behavior, and they're a near-perfect match.

[sharedvalues]

39. Yes. Comparison done by CIA officer analyzing Steele dossier

https://www.justsecurity.org/44697/steele-dossier-knowing/

[Expecting Rain]

37. It was more that Comey...

Let's not kid ourselves, lest we fall victim again.

[sharedvalues]

38. Comey. Russians. Bannon/'Clinton cash". Media coverage of emails

When someone barely loses, many reasons add up to contribute to the loss.

Comey
Russian propaganda
The fake 'Clinton Cash' book
Judicial Watch spending $500M over a decade to destroy Clinton
The NYT and Haberman repeating "emails" every day for months
The media refusing to cover policy
CNN airing Lord and Levandowski to chase ratings and profit

All of the above contributed.

[Not Ruth]

43. Was Comey working with Trump and the Russians?, is Mueller investigating Comey?

[NurseJackie]

44. Thank you! And still, there are TOTAL ASSHOLES who try to silence Hillary and...

... who are arguing that she should have waited EIGHT OR TWELVE MORE YEARS before writing a book. Clearly, these people are in denial about the reality of how many people chose Hillary and REJECTED all other challengers throughout the entire process.

#LetHerSpeak
#ListenAndLearn
#ShowSomeRespect
#HillarySpeaksTheTruth