I'm on the side of anyone who realizes that Bernie & Hillary are on the same side. But seriously..

[jodymarie aimee]

keep fighting, guys; it really helps.
FUGELSANG.

[Greybnk48]

1. Yep. It's actually absurd. n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Putin and Trump are cheering the infighters onward. . . . nt

[sandensea]

5. Exactly.

Real differences should be debated; but let's never forget the above fact.

[customerserviceguy]

27. Let's not forget the media doing some cheering, too

Especially Fox News, their readership eats this stuff up. Then the rest of the MSM chimes in on it, and pretty soon, it's all about rehashing 2016 instead of covering the positions of the candidates from whom our next nominee will actually come from.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. Right. The media loves a fight, which is why Putin eggs it on. . . . nt

[Arazi]

3. Yup eom

[Iggo]

4. Church.

[IronLionZion]

6. Oh yeah! It helps the GOP

as their ratfuckers know exactly how to bait our side into fighting amongst ourselves because it is so easy for them.

I hate this

[all american girl]

7. Well, I think what we are seeing is that the Hillary supporters, who were so

harassed during and after the primary, are letting their voices be heard...I think that may be confusing for some. We are not going to let a strong wonderful woman to be told to shut up, but bernie can say what he wants. We are excited about her book and to hear from her...it seems the bernie supporters aren't happy and are fighting. Just because the Hillary supporters are not taking it any more doesn't mean we are fighting, it's the bernie supporters who won't let us enjoy and discuss...just like the primaries, so it's on them to shut up for a change.

[elias7]

10. Ummm...

I think that more people than you think love both Bernie and Hillary, and watch with dismay at comments like yours.

[all american girl]

11. Really, so standing up for Hillary is bad

I'm not understanding. We are letting our voices be heard that we are proud and support her in her book. It seems to me that some bernie supporters are bent out of shape that she wrote a book. How many times, right here at DU, have you seen that Hillary should just shut up? I know I've seen a lot. So if we are saying that we want to here from her, we have every right, I mean, it's not like bernie has been quiet as he trashes dems. So, if you are dismayed by her supporters happy about her book, that's on you, not us.

[Leith]

14. Either the Irony Is Lost on You

or you are deliberately stoking the fires of infighting.

It would help your point if you could make it without accusing Sanders supporters of trying to shut you up while you insult them.

This thread is exactly about posts like this.

[all american girl]

19. Well, Iall I'm going to say I so support her using her voice

to speak to and about my feelings. And yes, there has been a lot of people saying that her writing this book is upsetting things...not everything is about bernie, sometimes things are only what they are...if that's too harsh, well so be it.

[JonLP24]

17. I completely avoided this board during the primaries as a Bernie Sanders supporter

and I have been hiding all these refighting the primary threads sparked by Clinton's book. I've been shutting up and still shutting up because of all this lumping of Bernie Sanders supporters together.

[all american girl]

20. I'm talking about all the folks who think Hillary should just shut up.

Well, there are a lot of who are excited about her book and can't wait to read it. We are just not going to sit back and listen to this any more. We all did it during the primary and I think a lot people are just tried of being told that we can't be excited about this. We saw it during the primary, right here. We were told that we weren't to be excited about wins and everything. I think this is a lot of backlash and pent up anger (being fed up) with always feeling that we have to keep our excitement under wraps because some will get upset (mad). This isn't about all bernie supporters, just those who have been playing this game for the last 2 years. I'm excited and will shout it from the roof tops, I just wish I would have been more like that during the primaries, and that is on me. I'm not very good at expressing myself and confrontation is a bit hard for me.

Sorry that I made you feel that I was lumping all bernie supporters as the same, that's not what I wanted to do...

[jodymarie aimee]

18. we were doing so well

and geez here they come !!! Spit and spat...

[white_wolf]

23. Oh please. Bernie supporters were trashed through the primaries and general election.

We were repeatedly told we weren't needed and now we're attacked because a small(stupid) minority of Sanders supporters didn't vote for Clinton. When Sanders supporters, or anyone really, raised concerns about the Clinton campaign, they were mocked with "your concern has been noted." Hillary supporters claiming to be attacked on this forum are like white Christians who whine about persecution in America.

[all american girl]

24. Mmmmm, no. right here we had to hide out in the Hillary group

and people were still trying to hide the posts they didn't like....praising Hillary, being critical of bernie...so no, please do not rewrite history on the out right racism and sexism we saw...remember the Stockholm post, or saying AA were just confederates, or we were vagina voters, or Hillary was a Goldwater as a teenager and being compared to a grown assed man. I do...we can not hide our ills under the rug and acted like it never happened, because it will be repeated. I'm not saying there was frustrated push back, but most of the crap was one-sided, and it wasn't from us. This is about our future as a party, and us Hillary supporters are telling you (the royal you) that this will not happen again...that's all.

[emulatorloo]

28. revisionist history. Some of our loudest fellow Sanders "supporters" could not post enough FoX News,

Washington Times, or even more egregious wingnut sites. Also treating lifelong GOP hack Joe DiGenova as if he were an impeccable source instead of a life long liar. And others recc'd the fuck out of that lying rightwing bullshit just because it smeared a Democrat they didn't like.

When not doing that they recced up bullshit OP's by a fake progressive claiming that gays and AA had "Stockholm Syndrome" simply because they supported a different primary candidate.

One person posted a thread that BLM was made of of selfish power-hungry "Black Lesbians" after BLM confronted Bernie. Again recc'd up high.

Bluenorthwest used to call people like that Sanders "detractors" because they detracted from Bernie's policies and positions.

You can pretend none of that happened, but others lived through it and remember.

Fortunately that crowd found their "safe space"

----

As to "attacks" on Sanders supporters because of the action of Bob's. Threads about Bobs aren't about sanders supporters like you, me and everyone on DU that supports Bernie .

You aren't a Bob. Threads about Bobs are about Bobs.

Like you, I supported Sanders in the Primary and HRC in the GE.

I don't feel at all defensive about hearing about the small stupid minority of Sanders supporters bad behavior in Oh, WI, and PA.

It isn't about me, it isn't about you, it isn't about any DU Sanders supporter.

[Owl]

8. Exactly

[Perseus]

9. I don't take it as it is a fight

I may be wrong, but what I feel the issue that is going on with this back-and-forth is frustration, it seems that those who did not vote for Hillary are going through the same internal anguish and maybe guilt that they too contributed to the rise of the man-child, and what I feel is going on through those who did vote for Hillary during the election, they are very frustrated to the fact that those who did not will not get in front of a mirror and say "ok, I did not think long enough to realize that, although I did not support Hillary, that not voting for her helped the man-child become president, I did not look ahead to understand the consequences that my vote could have."

The moment they do this, that will be the moment everyone will be united. I supported Bernie, once he was not the candidate, then I supported Hillary.

I just sat for lunch with a friend who told me that she did not vote, that she did not like Trump, but she did not like Hillary, and although she understood that Hillary could be better for the country, that she just could not get to vote for her. I told her that not voting was actually voting for Trump because a great majority of the republicans I personally know, they vote republican no matter who their candidate is, they don't know what good or evil their candidate might do, he is a republican so they will support him/her (although I am not sure about 'her' with republicans). She agreed with me on that and realized that she also knows republicans who blindly mark every entry in the ballot in favour of republicans, without knowing who the person is. She just stared at me with open eyes and realized that in fact she had made a mistake. I hope she remembers next time that evil and stupidity are concerns that must be taken seriously, and those are the man-child greatest attributes.

Anyway, we all need to realize that it doesn't pay to be a rebel when the stakes are so high, you don't like Hillary, or whatever the democrats have as a candidate? study the facts and see what abstaining or voting for a 3rd party will do to your country and your future, and history has proven that, call it 'lesser of two evils' which was the case for many with Hillary, she was the best choice, don't be a child, protect your country.

By the way, I don't think Hillary was the lesser of two evils, I like her and I believe we would all be very happy if she had become the president.

[gtar100]

15. I agree - Hillary would have been a great president.

And we are reaping the whirlwind for having let cheaters and liars get their way.

There seem to be voters who believe that if they cast a ballot for a particular person that it means they are endorsing *everything* that candidate says or does. Our two-party system makes that very problematic. I don't subscribe to everything any candidate does (even Ed Perlmutter who I appreciate very much as a representative). Better to think of voting as a choice for the *better* candidate in my opinion. In most cases that clearly is a Democrat but sometimes it's not so clear. That's why people who try to "vote their conscience" might have problems depending on who's on the ballot. But that's not a good excuse for not voting.

We need far better civic education in our society. Too bad a few shifty but clever people with wealth have suppressed the American educational system. I hope those people rot in hell until they figure out the harm they've done by being a roadblock to real education for our people. Capitalism in the US has turned so many of us into predators of our own... or should I say cannibals. Such attitudes have broken the melting pot. I think it'll eventually mend itself but I'm afraid it won't happen in our lifetimes.

[40RatRod]

12. The book.

I am disgusted CNN and MSNBC were upset that Hillary actually had the audacity to write a book. People who are upset that she did that should just STFU.

[fallout87]

22. Exactly!

I was sick while reading some of the articles on both of those sites attacking Hillary for being brave enough to tell her story. It's very apparent they want her to go away, they aren't even hiding it anymore.

[FigTree]

25. The book that should have been written by both together. nt

[zentrum]

13. I find I always

...agree with Fugelsang. He's brilliant.

I think Hillary's book really stirred the pot. Unfortunately.

Once the book comes out and she starts touring, I'm afraid things will really get churned up. Wish so much this wasn't happening now and that she had decided to save it until after the 2018's elections.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. hey.... this shit isn't gonna stir itself!

Seriously, do what I do. The people who are only here looking to fight or create drama, are vedry obvious; it's all they do. So just tune them out.



After a while they all sound like the adults on "Peanuts".

[fallout87]

21. so.

Is Hillary not allowed to tell her side of what happened? I dont see this as fighting, although the bernie folk probably aren't happy with the truth.

[emulatorloo]

26. Just had some Troll spin the false narrative that HRC and Bernie are polar opposites.

It is a lie.