Vogue: No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination,

[mcar]

No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It

https://www.vogue.com/article/hillary-clinton-what-happened-doesnt-have-to-shut-up/amp


...There’s some truth to at least one facet of this new Clinton backlash: For many people, these are indeed dark times and the Democratic party does need to get its act together and focus on resisting and defeating Trump. But for the most part, the criticism of Clinton’s book is just more sexist drivel from the never-ending well of misogyny and sexism that’s been being hurled in her direction during her long career of public service. Hillary Clinton doesn’t have to go out “gently”—or be otherwise schooled on how she should or should not handle her particular, unprecedented situation. She’s the first woman to win a major party’s presidential nomination in American history; she definitely doesn’t have to shut up about it, not now, not ever.

The attempts to silence Clinton are in fact just more proof that the misogyny she writes about in What Happened was not imagined, and is still working against her. There has been an avalanche of hot takes and postmortems about the 2016 election—true story: there are still Fox News segments about Clinton’s emails, not to mention the president still tweets about “Crooked Hillary.” But the one analysis that at least some segment of the public, including members of Clinton’s own party, don’t want to hear is that of the person who could practically feel Trump’s breath on her neck on the debate stage? I know the news cycle moves pretty fast, but even 10 months later, it’s insane to suggest that Clinton’s assessment of what happened is extraneous; technically, it’s everyone else’s that is. And yet, gallingly, critics still manage to deem her somehow unqualified to share the ultimate behind-the-scenes view of how this dumpster fire went down, as if there is some better person to process it all....

Curiously, the impulse to banish Clinton has not applied to male presidential runners-up, as noted in The New Yorker’s hilarious satirical essay “It’s Time for Hillary Clinton to Gracefully Bow Out of Public Life, Taking All Other Women With Her.” Writes Daniel Kibblesmith: “No recent failed presidential candidate has ever had such a prominent public role post-election, with the possible exceptions of Al Gore, who produced and starred in an Oscar-winning documentary; Senator John McCain, who is a constant television presence; and Mitt Romney, who—you gotta admit—seemed like a pretty good dude in that Netflix movie.”

The dismissal of Clinton’s book is sadly not dissimilar from the way Senators Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris have recently been all but shushed in Congress. There’s something about a powerful woman using her voice—and in a way that is not gentle or measured but bold and pointed—that still doesn’t sit well with the general public. (See: Clinton openly threatened with cries of “lock her up” to this day at Trump rallies; being called a “nasty woman.”) In spite of her achievements—and likely because of them—Clinton has always been seen, as then-candidate Barack Obama quipped in 2008, as just “likable enough.” During the 2016 campaign (and long before), she was lambasted for being rehearsed and robotic—a policy wonk, lacking in natural charisma. (By the way—what we wouldn’t give for a policy wonk in the White House today . . .) But now that she’s speaking freely and frankly, the sexist little secret is being laid bare: People didn’t want Clinton to change her manner of speech; they wanted her to stop talking altogether. Consider that while people want Clinton to be quiet, noted white nationalist political mastermind Steve Bannon got the mainstream sit-down treatment on 60 Minutes last night. Or that on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert last week, Sanders all but belittled Clinton’s book as “silly,” a statement that felt like the equivalent of a husband calling his wife “hysterical.”

[musette_sf]

1. K&R

[TexasTowelie]

2. K&R.

Listening to Hillary speak is a breath of fresh air compared to Trump who prompts me to hit the mute button.

[lapucelle]

3. I'm sensing a shift in the narrative and

a sense of growing impatience with the doctrinaire element of the progressive wing. The worm is beginning to turn.

Meanwhile, Democrats in Washington will hold certain people close in order to keep an eye on exactly who is and isn't an ally. Chuck and Nancy were masterful in navigating Republican machinations in June and July. They are not easily played

Historians will be pouring over Clinton's memoir for decades to come. It is an important part of the historical record and will be treated as such.

The latest iteration of the popular beach-reads, "Chicken Soup for the Pre-Pubescent Revolutionary Soul"...not so much. But every hipster parent will buy the self-help guide, so the franchise (and the royalties!) will continue.

Nothing says "serious" book like a cutesy-folksy cartoon on the cover and a very large typeface. Was the bird included in on the brightly-colored glossy cover?

[George II]

14. "Chicken Soup for the Pre-Pubescent Revolutionary Soul"

That's beautiful, VERY creative - thanks!

[murielm99]

27. This post is brilliant!

Thanks!

[betsuni]

38. +1

[Maven]

40. This is a great post.

Thanks.

[R B Garr]

45. Excellent post!

Love the book title!

And the bird was just...weird.

[ehrnst]

54. LOL!!! (nt)

[MrsCoffee]

68. +++++++++

[mcar]

73. Great post!

[wryter2000]

80. Love the title

Can you tell me what book you're referring to? I don't know if I'm familiar with it.

[lapucelle]

89. I can't remember it offhand, but

the coloring book should be out in time for the Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales blitz.

[ehrnst]

87. But that awesome, miraculous hair...

[Squinch]

4. Kick!

[BigmanPigman]

5. Sexism is thriving in the good 'old USA!

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And most people are so used to it that they do not see it when it smacks them in the face. I have been dealing with this shit for my entire life and have had it! Women need to seriously boycott and strike but realistically too many are more than happy to allow things to stay status quo.

[Alice11111]

33. Well put.

[llmart]

56. So true.

Those of us who are around the same age as Hillary are gobsmacked by how much sexism and misogyny are still around and worse of all, how younger women can't even recognize it. It pains me to even know that white women voted for trump in vast numbers, or that they believed the lies about Hillary.

[smirkymonkey]

58. I'm much younger than Hillary, but even I am shocked by how many 20-somethings I see in my

office who are completely blind to the sexism that surrounds them. They have no appreciation for the fact that the ONLY reason that they have their good, well paying positions is because women before them have had to fight for a place at the table. Sometimes I just want to smack the lot of them upside the head.

[bettyellen]

78. Studies have suggested women don't see it as bad early in their careers as there is a veneer of

equality in the workplace that didn't exist thirty years ago. They don't see it till they're in their thirties and see how they are treated with contempt if they vie for promotions and raises. They don't realize that much less competent men are given more oppprtunity and praised for behavior they are ridiculed for.

[llmart]

86. I make it a point to tell them...

about some of the incidents that happened to me in my time in the workplace so that at least they can maybe take it in and realize that they have gained something from our struggle and fight for equality.

When I tell them that I had to quit my job when I was "starting to show" in my pregnancy because "no one wants to look at a pregnant woman in the office" (meaning, MEN didn't want to look at a pregnant woman) they actually don't believe me. Or about how when I had to get a new job after my baby was born, I was told by the staffing agency not to reveal that I had a baby or they wouldn't hire me.

I worked mostly with men when I was a younger woman and the stories of sexual harassment are legendary. You were just supposed to "be a good sport" about it.

[crazycatlady]

60. Sadly sexism thrives in Democratic campaign offices too

I'm a female staffer. On my last campaign, my boss told me 'good girl' on more than one occasion.

I should have asked him if he wanted me to play fetch and roll over.

[lapucelle]

88. Are you a campaign staffer or do you work for the party itself?

Depending on which area you are working in, you should report it immediately, especially if it is a "thriving" problem. It's unacceptable.

I will say, however, that in 2016 there were problems with the way some women staffers and volunteers were treated. I've been working locally this summer (we had a primary election today) and things seem to have gone back to the way they normally are.

[crazycatlady]

90. Campaign staffer

I've worked for various campaigns, state parties, and consulting firms (I'm with a firm now).

THe "good girl' comment from my boss at the last firm (along with a 1.5+ hour commute each way) was reason for me to give my notice. I was the first woman the firm hired in my position.

It also depends on the state (worked in 9) and culture of the campaign.

[lapucelle]

98. Terrible and inexcusable.

I'd call it out loudly if it happens again. Let the candidate know. That kind of stuff is radioactive at this point.

[crazycatlady]

100. I hope that giving notice sent a message

I'm used to the work being a sausage festival, but talking to me like a dog is another story.

The term "Good girl" (and good boy for that matter) should only be used on pets.

[Me.]

6. Indeed She Doesn't

[calimary]

92. Damn fucking right she doesn't.

[Me.]

97. I'll SEcond That

[leftstreet]

7. Oh FFS

attempts to silence Clinton
Except for Sunday's CBS Morning interview

dismissal of Clinton’s book
Apparently a Bestseller at Amazon

impulse to banish Clinton
Book tours selling out

This article is pouty and stupid

[kcr]

8. Thank you for proving the article's point n/t

[leftstreet]

11. The article can't prove it's own point n/t

[George II]

17. No, done....and done.

[4now]

13. So true lol

[melman]

49. So to disagree with something proves it's right

That gem never gets old.

[George II]

15. And then you have "All In with Chris Hayes".

[JHan]

18. the attempts to gaslight are getting tiresome

You want another , less reverent, take to drive the point home ?

"If you have the Facebook or the Twitter, you have likely seen somebody repost an article along the lines of “Why Hillary Clinton Should Take A Hike And Go Away And Shut Up Forever.” If you clicked on it, you know what it said. If you didn’t, you still know what it said.

Despite how at least 10 men have been struck with the completely original idea of writing a Tumblr-quality screed about STFU HILLARY OMG, she, defiant as always, has not notified her publisher that she wishes to cancel the release of her book, What Happened, and moreover, she hasn’t notified her real estate agent that would like to purchase a cave at the bottom of the sea to live in for the rest of her days, so she doesn’t offend anyone ever again. You may pre-order your copy of said book right here!

PFFFFFFFFT, Hillary. Like anybody’s going to read her dumb book, which we ordered today. Probably just gonna give it to the Wonka-dog and watch her judgmentally refuse to even chew it up, since it’s probably just a bunch of secret Goldman Sachs speeches anyway.

Anyway, Vogue has a really nice new excerpt! (Click here for the last excerpts we wrote about!) In it, H. Rodham writes about her marriage to B. Clinton, why she hasn’t acceded to many people’s requests that she divorce him, and what it was like having him by her side in the hours after she “lost” the election. (Those are our “quotation marks,” lest one of the self-appointed arbiters of Hillary Clinton’s behavior find himself in a tizzy because SHE’S NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILI-TAH!!!!@!!1!!1benghazi!!!!)

Read more at https://wonkette.com/622774/defiant-hillary-clinton-still-releasing-book-tuesday-even-though-at-least-10-men-think-she-shouldnt#ghgjA9UfFGlB7WfO.99"

but yeah, I guess Wonkette is just delusional , like everyone else seeing Clinton derangement syndrome in full effect.

Charlie P at Esquire - also delusional.. every writer who has pointed this out - TOTALLY delusional I guess.. right.

[Hekate]

22. +10000 for Wonkette!

[JHan]

23. Always! They're too fabulous :)

[Alice11111]

35. Well done.

[uponit7771]

64. +1

[jalan48]

19. +1

[Hekate]

21. How very special of you to prove the point

[murielm99]

28. The people who are trying to silence her are

pouty and stupid,

But thanks for the turn of phrase. It will come in handy.

[mountain grammy]

34. She wasn't my first choice,

but I think this article is dead right. Yes, her book is a bestseller, she won the popular vote. I think the CBS Morning interview was a bit ridiculous. What male who ever "lost" any elction was asked over and over if he was finished?

Really, when you look at it, and I'm looking at it from a woman's point of view, I think she's been held to a standard no man has ever had to meet. Just look at who's in the White House!

[George II]

75. I know of one who hasn't been asked that yet, unless I missed it.

[mountain grammy]

76. my point is, NO man is ever asked that, what's yours?

[SusanaMontana41]

101. I'm guessing all candidates who lose elections are asked that question or some form of it.

Except maybe Nixon, who didn't wait to be asked after he lost the California gubernatorial election in 1962. He told the press it "wouldn't have Nixon to kick around anymore."

Missed the CBS interview but I have no problem with such a question. She's served this country a long time. She's not disappearing, and the question gave her the chance to say so.

[melman]

48. Agreed

It's completely ridiculous.

[LanternWaste]

63. A most wonderful and accurate example of irony.

"pouty and stupid..."

Yours is a most wonderful and accurate example of irony.

[MrsCoffee]

69. Haters gonna hate.

From here to eternity.

This post is what is pouty and stupid, lol.

[leftstreet]

85. The article makes Hillary look weak. She's not

She's boldly out there in the media, writing and promoting a book, stating her opinions after one of the most horrifying defeats ever

The article is whiny and pouty and casts a little-girl victim cloud over a person quite capable of taking care of herself AND the media

[Lucinda]

9. TY KNR

[BainsBane]

10. Oh, yes. All true.

[Control-Z]

12. I hope to see articles like this every single morning

when I wake up, instead of what fresh hell the new day will bring.

We all should be raising hell every damn day for the way Hillary was treated (and name every last asshole who participated), the election outcome, the absence of recounts and investigations (especially into those 3 suspect states), and the way the nation has just accepted the stolen election as something that just happens (if your name is Hillary Clinton). No biggie.

I swear, the very first talking point put out by the maggot and repeated by the media was, The Russian interference didn't alter the outcome of the election in any way. Besides, there would be no way of ever really knowing anyway.

[George II]

16. Unfortunately we can't name "every last asshole" now, can we?

[Hekate]

25. So many *holes, so little time

[George II]

30. ...

[ehrnst]

53. +1000 (nt)

[forgotmylogin]

20. Go, Vogue! (n/t)

[Hekate]

24. I have developed such a respect for Vogue magazine!

Thank you, mcar.

And for Vogue

[calimary]

91. This might help make up for the damn Kim & Kanye cover, over which I canceled my subscription.

And I subscribed since my 20s. Hillary has earned the right to say whatever the hell she damn well pleases to say. I'm not interested in hearing from anybody else on this subject. I've been busy and haven't had time to shop, but as soon as I can come up for air, I'm buying a copy of her book. With GREAT pride. She's still my girl. And frankly, SHE'S my President.

[benld74]

26. I'm sick of HRC bashing - Some never tire

[mcar]

74. Me too

[nycbos]

29. I have said it before but I will say it again,

she would in my opinion fully justified in saying this to the people "I tried to warn you about him. You didn't listen. You are getting exactly what you paid for. Now f*** off."

I wasn't always a fan of hers but I have a grown to be an admirer.

[mdbl]

51. that statement should be in the back cover of her book

bold quotes below the synopsis.

[L. Coyote]

31. The first woman to win the popular vote for President of the United States.

The satire piece:

Link to tweet

[ismnotwasm]

71. That's an awesome piece of satire

Damn!

[NurseJackie]

32. Some here think she should have waited 8 to 12 YEARS!

All this disrespect and contempt for Hillary makes me sick.

[calimary]

93. Take a number.

[DesertRat]

36. K&R

[spanone]

37. K&R...

[betsuni]

39. K&R

[Sparkly]

41. Yes indeed!!

[haveahart]

43. Because she wants to make money from her book doesn't mean there was no misogyny involved in

her loss. And I suggest that your post is more proof about it. Women can be misogynist also and that was as much a factor for many as anything else.

[R B Garr]

44. This sounds familiar, too, though. Have you gotten

over the 2016 loss yet, yourself? The phony accusations about Clinton were never proven in that one either.

[delisen]

46. You guarantee? How can your guarantee

about someone else motives be worth anything?

[betsuni]

47. That's an old silly one, Hillary does everything only for money?

Right, because she has seven houses, a private island, secret closets full of couture and fur coats, bank safes stuffed with precious jewels. Of all the people to accuse of doing things only for money, you choose Hillary Clinton?

[ehrnst]

52. Lord, You'd think she was hawking her book in churches, or something... (nt)

[smirkymonkey]

57. Because men never do anything for money.

[crazycatlady]

61. no she's not complete-- she needs a tower in Manhattan named after her

</sarcasm>

[ehrnst]

50. K&Rec

[Trueblue Texan]

55. I'm going to buy the audio version...

..so I can listen at work. Great thread!

[calimary]

94. Welcome to DU, Trueblue Texan!

That sounds like a good idea. I may do that, too. Good for in-the-car.

[Madam45for2923]

59. The First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It

and win the Popular Vote!

F*cking A.


No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It

https://www.vogue.com/article/hillary-clinton-what-happened-doesnt-have-to-shut-up/amp



ROAR HILLARY ROAR!!!!

[onetexan]

62. heck yea

Hillary has every right to speak her mind, whenever she wants.

[Paladin]

65. K&R, X-1000.

[The Mouth]

66. 'Cold and robotic' -no

I mean she's a fine public speaker. She, however has a husband who is one of the best ever, and followed another one of the best orators America has ever produced.

I mean face it, President Barrack Obama is a tough act to follow.


It would be like the guitarist who had to follow Jimi Hendrix onstage

[MrsCoffee]

67. Double K&R

[ismnotwasm]

70. No shit

Some of of what's happening reminds me of dogs tearing up grass in an pathological aggressive display

[librechik]

72. of course she does. They'll whine and cry until she shuts up

and we all better keep in mind what happened to Hillary if we want to change America.

NO AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE OR PREPARATION OR SMARTS OR HONORABLE BEHAVIOR CAN EVER OVERCOME THE LACK OF PENIS. THEY WILL RISE AGAINST YOU, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.

and that goes double for minorities.

Put that in your campaign plan and smoke it, ladies. We took this all the way to the endgame. The same thing will happen whenever we try to bump up against the glass ceiling. And we are the only antique idiotic government (except for theocracies) on earth which still lives in the 19th century.

Ready to chain yourself to a post again and again? They're going to make us repeat the battle we have already won, because those in power can't accept real democracy. It happens to include women and minorities and union workers. And apparently, after we win legally, they just take it away from us de facto.

[niyad]

77. so very true:

But for the most part, the criticism of Clinton’s book is just more sexist drivel from the never-ending well of misogyny and sexism that’s been being hurled in her direction during her long career of public service. Hillary Clinton doesn’t have to go out “gently”—or be otherwise schooled on how she should or should not handle her particular, unprecedented situation. She’s the first woman to win a major party’s presidential nomination in American history; she definitely doesn’t have to shut up about it, not now, not ever.

[niyad]

79. K AND R

[Native]

81. Hillary's resiliency is ineffable. She is the personification of toughness.

And I am continuously in awe of this woman. I think what upsets me most about all of this are the women who've voiced misogynistic critiques of all things Hill, like Ruth Marcus. There should be a special place in Hell🔥 for people who eat their own.

[mcar]

96. I'm in awe of her too, Native

And ditto your take on Ruth Marcus.

[NastyRiffraff]

82. "what we wouldnt give for a policy wonk in the White House today"

Truth, there. Another truth: She is a policy wonk. And another: It's possible to be a policy wonk AND be "likable." People who have known Hillary Clinton personally have commented on how warm she is, how she worries about staff members' health, how friendly she is to people she meets on the campaign trail.

Yes, the misogyny raged on BOTH sides of the political spectrum throughout the campaign and is still going on today. I remember when Bill was elected and the rampant sexism was aimed at Hillary the second after the election was called. She shouldn't have kept her maiden name, her hair was all wrong, she shouldn't have changed her hair, her clothes, the fact that she was (gasp!) a lawyer just as if she was a man, etc. etc. We think we as a country have gotten past that; sadly, we're finding that we haven't.

I'm still with her.

[maddiemom]

84. And then Bill said something about the country getting "two for one," innocently

including Hillary in his electoral victory. Remember that? Who would have imagined that this apparently started the misogynists looking at the first lady in a new and suspicious way

[Gothmog]

83. K&R

[Starry Messenger]

95. K&R

[StarzGuy]

99. I Agree

Let's not forget she also won the majority of the 2016 election by 2 million.

[Cary]

102. I'll be buying her book