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underpants

(182,788 posts)
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:30 PM Sep 2017

1912 article about coal and climate




News Coverage of Coal’s Link to Global Warming, in 1912


https://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/coals-link-to-global-warming-explained-in-1912/

Various updates | Scientific analysis pointing to a human role in warming the climate through burning fossil fuels goes back to 1896, with Svante Arrhenius’s remarkable paper, “On the Influence of Carbonic Acid [Carbon Dioxide] in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground.”

Starting in the late 1930s, Guy Stewart Callendar, a British engineer and amateur meteorologist, stirred the field by calculating that rising carbon dioxide levels were already warming the climate. Check out his 1938 paper on the subject: “The Artificial Production of Carbon Dioxide and Its Influence on Temperature.”

By 1956, The New York Times was writing on combustion-driven global warming.

But when did news coverage begin?

The earliest (and most concise!) article I’ve seen was published on Aug. 14, 1912, in a couple of New Zealand newspapers, the Rodney and Otamatea Times and Waitemata and Kaipara Gazette:
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1912 article about coal and climate (Original Post) underpants Sep 2017 OP
Science and math. PdxSean Sep 2017 #1
Oxygen combines with carbon to make carbon dioxide marylandblue Sep 2017 #2
Danke'! PdxSean Sep 2017 #3
Specifically, 12 tons of carbon combine with 32 tons of O2 to form 44 tons of CO2. eppur_se_muova Sep 2017 #10
That's fine but it pales with natural sources of carbon dioxide. former9thward Sep 2017 #4
Natural sources were in equilibrium with natural sinks marylandblue Sep 2017 #5
So the 800 billion tons was perfect. former9thward Sep 2017 #9
Yes the 800 billion tons was perfect marylandblue Sep 2017 #12
..and we've destroyed many of the sinks. roamer65 Sep 2017 #13
marylandblue has the right of it. TexasProgresive Sep 2017 #6
Fake News Takket Sep 2017 #7
Snopes notes this is true and has the Popular Mechanics article from 1912 this one was based on. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #8
Thanks ! nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2017 #11

PdxSean

(574 posts)
1. Science and math.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:48 PM
Sep 2017

Call me slow, but how can 2 billions tons of matter turn into 7 billion tons of matter? Does something released in burning coal combine with something in the air to increase the weight?

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
10. Specifically, 12 tons of carbon combine with 32 tons of O2 to form 44 tons of CO2.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:54 PM
Sep 2017

All easily calculated from atomic weights. See your nearest Periodic Table.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
4. That's fine but it pales with natural sources of carbon dioxide.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:42 PM
Sep 2017

Natural sources give off about 800 billion tons of carbon dioxide each year. Human sources give off about 40 billion tons each year.

https://whatsyourimpact.org/greenhouse-gases/carbon-dioxide-emissions

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. Natural sources were in equilibrium with natural sinks
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:05 PM
Sep 2017

Humans upset the equilibrium and we are seeing the result.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
9. So the 800 billion tons was perfect.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:47 PM
Sep 2017

And the added 5% to that threw everything off. So is the solution to eliminate humans?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. Yes the 800 billion tons was perfect
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:12 PM
Sep 2017

But it was because over the long term, most of the world's CO2 ends up in the oceans. Right now we are adding CO2 to the atmosphere faster than the oceans can absorb it. The solution is to reduce CO2 emissions to the amount that the oceans can absorb. This is technically achievable, it's politics that stands in the way. The amount of land needed for solar to power all of the world's energy needs in 2030 is shown by the red outlined squares on this map

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
6. marylandblue has the right of it.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:24 PM
Sep 2017

The natural sources of CO2 are part of a natural cycle. Animals exhale CO2 Green plants during daylight inhale CO2 and convert it into food and structure. When the plant dies or is eaten the carbon is released. It is the cycle of life. Some carbon that has been sequestered for eons in permafrost it being released as a result of climate change. All that carbon that is in fossil fuels was once part of the natural cycle, but I don't think we could live if all that CO2 were back in the atmosphere. Besides contributing to warming it would bind up a whole lot of oxygen.

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