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BY RACHEL ROUBEIN at the Hill
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/350734-senator-asks-for-cbo-score-of-sanderss-single-payer-bill
"SNIP...........
In a letter to the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Barrasso — the Senate Republican Policy Committee chairman — wrote he was “deeply concerned that Senator Sanders’ Medicare-for-All legislation is not only a government takeover of health care, but would also put financial burdens on the American people that they cannot sustain.”
He cited a 2016 cost estimate from the left-leaning Urban Institute that a previous plan from Sanders would cost $32 trillion over 10 years.
Additionally, Barrasso is seeking an analysis of the economic impact of the bill and a revenue estimate on Sanders’s proposals to finance the new system, which were released in a separate document Wednesday.
Sanders released his “Medicare for all” plan in a large Senate hearing room Wednesday, with nearly 300 attendees and heavy coverage from cable news. The bill has 16 co-sponsors, which is a big turnaround when he introduced a similar bill in 2013 without a single co-sponsor.
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Turbineguy
(37,322 posts)that's $32 trillion that we could give to the rich!"
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Is using for screen name 'cause I'm hearing the same talking points here.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #6)
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applegrove
(118,629 posts)really they want to sow discord and disrupt.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)They sound simply awful. Can I read some of their posts please?
applegrove
(118,629 posts)alert system is in place and there is a category for 'right wing talking points'. Or there was.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)They should be banned from posting here. I assume your alerts are helping clean house?
applegrove
(118,629 posts)Don't know if anyone has been cleaned. Not my job.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)What if these false DUer's go on an alerting spree? That would suck, huh?
Anyway, I love the concept of a "false" poster. I envision lizards.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)if the thread meets the criteria for alerting or if the alerters are being dishonest. I assume. You are right. I am not admin. Why are you asking me how this site is run?
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)to attack the CBO?
They're never very clever when they're deliberately trying to sow discord and disruption, perhaps stop encouraging them?
CBO scoring is part of the normal course of business. Attacking the CBO is GOP inanity, especially when they're well aware it's not going to work out well for them.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)
boston bean
(36,221 posts)
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)If I do not support this bill am I a false DUer?
applegrove
(118,629 posts)is on the list of things we cannot do when one alerts. If you are not doing the GOP's work for them, don't worry.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But am concerned about your estimation of right wing talking points.
If a DUer does not support this bill or even Medicare for all, does that make them a fake DUer.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)What you consider right wing talking points. To some people opposing total elimination of any private involvement in health care is right wing.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But in my mind, we are on DU to hash out our views. Over the years certain opinions have become unacceptable here. And I think we all like that. But I am always curious about what other DU members think is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
I reckon you're keeping your idea of acceptable close to your vest.
I am cool with that.
Have a nice evening.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)
George II
(67,782 posts)...in the CBO score, as are many Americans.
Why are you dismissing it? Are you afraid of the resulting report?
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Lee Adama
(90 posts)This is how the Republicans will hammer Dems next year. Their one shot is to make Berniecare look like a money pit and too many Dems have signed on. This could even become a poison pill for the 2020 nomination.
So now, they LIKE the CBO even though they DESPISE the CBO when it comes to THEIR Health Care bills.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Lee Adama
(90 posts)That means, we are losing.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Lee Adama
(90 posts)That basic axiom is ALWAYS true.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)We have proposed multiple funding mechanism that all have one thing in common, NONE of them will cost you more than you are paying for healthcare now."
Elapsed time: 23 seconds
Now, tell us how we can fix what the GOP has done to the ACA.
Clock is ticking.
Lee Adama
(90 posts)Once the CBO results are published, we're fucked.
Just like the Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare were fucked once the CBO results were published.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)AND the time is still running on a succinct explanation of how to painlessly repair GOP damage to the ACA.
Or is surrender the ONLY option?
Lee Adama
(90 posts)The FACT is, no matter HOW you fund it, there will be winners and losers.
Many people will pay MORE, and most of them will pay a LOT MORE.
And you will never ever be able to get around that basic fact.
The absurdity of putting up a bill that does not include the funding is so out there that I believed only Republicans would be stupid enough to attempt it.
This is precisely WHY Republican bills have failed time after time and now it's why Republicans are going to have perfect ammunition when it's revealed that the federal budget, and the deficit triples under this bill as it currently stands, and that a large number of Americans will be paying MORE for healthcare than they do under Obamacare if you adopt the basic nonsense of the Word Document on Sanders' web site.
This is why bills of this scope have volumes instead of pages published. Anything else is simply political grandstanding that has huge potential for backfire.
Rhetoric never makes for good policy.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)with your position
But Sanders’s proposal is not a cynical slogan like “repeal and replace,” nor is it an inflexible roadmap that will invariably lead to a political dead end. It is better understood as a historic breakthrough in the way that Democrats approach health care, opening the door for all kinds of fixes to a system that nearly everyone agrees is too expensive and too inefficient.
Furthermore, there’s nothing the Democrats could propose that Republicans wouldn’t frame as a tax-hiking, government takeover of health care. Since the GOP has already been making these arguments about the ACA for years, and recently was unable to repeal the very government takeover it had long condemned as an affront to freedom and common sense, it’s more likely these arguments will lose their power as time goes on, not gain new relevance.
https://newrepublic.com/article/144805/bernie-sanderss-medicare-plan-good-politics
Lee Adama
(90 posts)The backlash will be worse than what the Republicans felt under every attempt to repeal Obamacare.
If we're lucky, I say it sets back attempts to get single payer at least a decade.
Motownman78
(491 posts)As I doubt single payer would cost my company $600 a month in taxes just for me.
Lee Adama
(90 posts)Most corporations will pay more taxes under Sander's Word document than they do now under Obamacare, and CBO will confirm that
Motownman78
(491 posts)Big corporations only pay about 10% effective tax, and many get refunds.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)The splash of the announcement, then Democrats get stuck doing the explaining of what it will actually take and then get blamed. You brought up some great points.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)They have been doing exemplary work.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)The majority of American's view single payer as a positive thing and the majority now wants it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/16/most-americans-want-to-replace-obamacare-with-a-single-payer-system-including-a-lot-of-republicans/
hurple
(1,306 posts)Is that while their taxes may go up from single-payer, that monthly $600 (or more) that's taken out of their checks, and given to the insurance companies, will disappear. I imagine only those making a big salary will see more taken out of their checks than is now, especially since they're no longer going to be paying the insurance CEO's $50,000,000 salary.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Her employer covers our family's insurance and we are by no means wealthy. We rent and cannot afford to buy a home were we live. My wife makes more than I do and her job is quite specialized. She has worked for the same company for nearly 20 years and is just now receiving the recognition she deserves. It has everything to do with her gender and the industry. Quite frankly we would be hurt by any tax increase and we do not have anything to claim for a deduction. We usually break even or owe a few hundred.
We are not alone. Some companies do still pay for insurance at or near 100%. Employers are not going to increase salary to offset the change in benefits as they will have their own tax increase.
Motownman78
(491 posts)Remember, the best way for a company to reduce its tax liability is to pay its employees more.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)A lot of these right wing talking points, like the 32 trillion BS from the "left-leaning" institute, are being used by members right here on this board to smear Medicare For All and/or the idea of single payer. Some of it is straight up being copied and pasted from the GOP twitter account.
Using right wing talking points is not allowed here. If you see anyone using these GOP talking points, report it.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Or is it that you do not want to see the legislation precede?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Is citing the Urban Institute, who provided the positive analysis of Medicare for Lyndon Johnson, regurgitating right wing talking points ?
Thank you in advance.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Will be considered right wing talking points.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... people should know the details.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Ultra-RWNJ Barrasso's attempted smear job will be available at FR or any of a dozen other Anti-Democratic Party websites.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)of John Barrasso; people like him are quite transparent!
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)crunching the numbers right?
Know who was also terrified of the CBO and attacking it mere weeks ago? The GOP. Why engage is the exact same behavior, what are you so worried about?
A well thought out plan has nothing to fear from the CBO.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)John Barrasso has an agenda and it isn't one that helps Democrats.
I understand that when he calls for anything it is to hurt our leaders like Harris, Booker, Conyers and Sanders.
It's too bad so many here are holding his hand and cheering him on.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Just because a Republican is calling for something that is a normal process, like the CBO scoring and crunching numbers, which is something that happens for any bill, it's plain old silly to insist that anyone pointing that out is "holding his hand and cheering him on".
This blind jingoistic hyperpartisan nonsense what makes our opposition so dumb, there is no need to DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.
This is literally the GOP script from the review of their demented and ill thought out plan.
It's too bad that common sense, logic and clear thinking are not possible from those who claim to be on our side, and who clearly do not understand any more than the GOP do.
If a bill cannot pass CBO muster, it's a bad bill, stating that simple fact isn't holding anyone's hand or cheering on any GOPer. Whining about it, attacking the CBO and generally carrying on throwing blind rage filled tantrums are what RWers do.
We need not follow their script. We just need to write a bill that passes muster, it's not that difficult, but it means that people need to move past the slogans, turn on the brains and learn how to get around the foreseeable obstacles.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)How every single rising star in the party is behind the introduction of this bill and the centrists who have brought us to where we are now are not just disagreeing with them, but launching patronizing lectures like:
I have a feeling that Harris, Booker, et al. will figure out what John Conyers has known for years, and King, Seale, and Malcom knew their whole lives . . . the folks with the privilege that power brings are with them ONLY when they toe the line.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)or how it works, or why you think reading from the GOP script from a few weeks ago somehow relates to the sponsors of a bill.
It's amazing how little people who are newly into politics know about how basic government works and why they think everything is about petty squabbles.
Where is anyone disagreeing with them? It's too bad that those who are clearly ignorant about how government works are so eager to attack anyone who wonders why using THE ACTUAL GOP SCRIPT to attack the CBO is somehow patronizing or a lecture.
I have a feeling that attacking the CBO here with GOP level poutrage is done for the exact same reason they did it, to deny the lack of planning or logic in the plan itself.
It's too bad that education and logic are considered privilege, and that "toeing the line" is required by those who thrive on ignorance, emulate the GOP and who lash out whenever anyone challenges any belief, no matter how mildly on basis of facts. I have a feeling that such people only describe themselves and illustrate why the GOP and this blind jingoism and lack of actual critical thought is such a failure on so many levels.
I also doubt that such people will ever admit it.
Learn what the CBO is and figure out that explaining its role is not an attack but an attempt to correct what now seems to be willful ignorance. Folks with privilege are those who refuse to educate themselves and continue the almost religious devotion to toeing the line that is so destructive on the Right. This isn't what the left is about, and Conyers, Harris, Booker and those other proponents of Universal Healthcare, Hillary, Barack, Nancy and Chuck already know. You still need to do the math and know how policies are constructed, you can't just wing it, and let other people figure out the details.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)but for anyone who reads what you wrote.
Did anyone notice these lines:
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It's too bad that those who are clearly ignorant about how government works are so eager to attack anyone who wonders why using THE ACTUAL GOP SCRIPT to attack the CBO is somehow patronizing or a lecture.
. . .
I have a feeling that attacking the CBO here
. . .
Learn what the CBO is and figure out that explaining its role
. . .
You still need to do the math and know how policies are constructed
Did anyone notice this unartful and patronizing, yet spirited defense of the CBO?
I only ask because not once have I attacked the CBO or questioned their impartiality, much less exhibited a "GOP level out poutrage." If you were to ask why I have, not, the answer would be first, that the CBO has, in the past tried to exhibit a high level of impartiality so it would be unfair and inaccurate to attack them over a report that has not even been started, much less completed; and second, that it would be hypocritical and/or politically unwise to attack a group like the CBO when I, as a 100% Democratic Party voter, routinely use the CBO to criticize Republican policies.
Why then, do you suppose my fellow newbie would go to such lengths to lecture me about the CBO? The reason is two-fold, but only one bears mention. It is easy to make an argument with which no one, and in particular the person with whom you are debating, disagrees. I think there's a name for that . . .
What is more difficult is to rebut was my actual argument that United States Representative Dr. John Barrasso, a radical right wing Republican from a radically right wing state, did not call for the CBO to review the Medicare for All Bill one day after it was introduced so that we can engage in "critical thought" as we discuss the pluses and minuses of this legislation. He demanded it because he hopes and prays that he can get some figures which he can use to (a) "nip [the bill] in the bud" before it gains EVEN MORE popular support than it has now and becomes something Democrats will run on to sweep to power in 2018; and (b) smear the people on our side who have supported it for supporting a bill which "lacks planning or logic," or for "thriving on ignorance," or for "not knowing how policies are constructed" in order to weaken them not only in 2018, but in 2020.
What is more difficult is to rebut was my actual argument that, when supposed loyal Democrats join him, they further these objectives.
What is more difficult is to rebut was my actual argument that, among the people who will be smeared if he succeeds are the three putative frontrunners for nomination as the 2020 Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States.
What is more difficult is to rebut was my actual argument that two of the three of these frontrunners, Corey Booker and Kamala Harris, who will be hurt if Barrasso succeeds are not just people of color, BUT people of color who one segment of this party, YOUR segment of this party, formerly (before they had joined in the fight for single-payer health care) argued were being criticized solely on the basis of their race and (in the case of Senator Harris) gender.
What is more difficult is to rebut was my actual argument that this sudden willingness to allow Harris and Booker to be cast as "supporting a bill which "lacks planning or logic," or for "thriving on ignorance," or for "not knowing how policies are constructed" for co-sponsoring this bill demonstrates the disingenuousness of that earlier support, or of a vendetta against the third of these frontrunners so irrational and so obsessive that it is willing to sweep away all three in order to pay back one, Senator Sanders, for the harm that he, in some imaginary world, has done.
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GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)The OP specifically pushed JOHN BARRASSO'S attempt to discredit this bill with the CBO and my excerpted response does nothing but prove that it was JOINING REPUBLICANS that I attacked.
AND your complete and utter failure to find ANY criticism of the CBO from me PROVES IT.
Thank you for reminding everyone.
And no, you didn't mention what I said . . . that's exactly how straw man arguments work.
Finally, friend, you're part of the party is most definitely not black
I AM BLACK. Something you would know even if I posted in a silent thread, if you knew 1/1000 of what you think you know about politics.
You're part of the party is the one which uses people who look like me as a prop; implying (back when centrists thought Corey Booker and Kamala Harrris would just toe the centrist line) that people who voiced honest policy differences with Corey Booker over drug re-importation or Kamala Harris over civil forfeiture were doing so because of their race. You're part of the party is the one that was then willing to throw Kamala Harris and Corey Booker (not just supporters, but co-sponsors, of Medicare for All) under the bus by attempting to stereotype them and everyone else supporting the bill as not merely pushing what it considers bad policy, but as "lack[ing] planning or logic," or "thriving on ignorance," or "not knowing how policies are constructed."
Since you were as quick to call a mid-60 y.o. black man a "dixiecrat" as you were to call supporters of Medicare for All (which includes Senator Harris and Senator Booker) "people who 'lack planning or logic,' or 'thrive on ignorance,' or 'not knowing how policies are constructed,'" I'll let you pick the name that should be used to describe the Democrats who so denigrate Kamala, Corey, myself, and the rest of the millions of Democrats who see this as not merely good policy, but good politics.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Don't really care what you claim to be in an online forum, the fact that you're engaging in racist and misogynistic behavior is what's objectionable.
Your argument failed some time ago, your fallacious attempts to spin that loss into something nasty and disgusting are what damned you as someone who does not speak for Democrats, nor POC or women.
You don't know politics, you don't know civics, you don't know how to debate honestly or coherently.
So I was quick and CORRECT to call out someone who is coming from a place of ignorance to promote abuse, divisiveness and poor reading comprhension.
Sweetie, I'm a female POC, so you can take your racist, misogynistic segment of the party that won't even join it, and walk it over to where natural allies, the people whose script you follow, dwell.
Bye now, enjoy your GOP cohorts, they also thrive on ignorance, follow a cult of identity, and enjoy ranting on random tangents while claiming to be things they're so clearly not, while attacking the CBO, which is what you did.
Deflection, distraction, denigration and pure ridiculous nonsense. We see you for what you are and know it's not what you claim to be. You are no friend comrade.
George II
(67,782 posts)
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Regardless of who initiated a review their score should be taken seriously.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)AND I hear Wyoming is a beautiful place where 70% of the population is praying for something they can use against our stars like Kamala, Corey, and Bernie.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)disagree with him on?
I don't understand this level of jingoism. Nothing wrong with a CBO score, it's what we want for ever major legislation so that we have an idea of where things are, what to fix etc.
I thought there were already people out there smearing Kamala and Corey? It's something that doesn't speak well of them.
A well thought out, well researched, well written plan has nothing to fear from a CBO score.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)The republicans when the CBO scored their healthcare bills.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)that when that's explained, response is personal attack and a launch into a purity based tangent.
Not sure why that script is being followed, the tea party destroyed the GOP, the very same mentality with the exact same script is being deployed now, by the same people?
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)going to play politics with it. This is a known quantity, that's why we need to ask the questions about how we're going to do things.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Lindsey Grahams bill that would repeal the ACA and abolish Medicaid by block granting it (much easier to kill in the states). It seems he has the votes by bribing GOP Senators.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)talking points in this demented way is ridiculous.
I understand that GOPers/Cavers and Freepers are not very bright, but it's amazing how little they even pretend to be anything other than the flame throwing divisive trolls that they are.
What an idiotic hill to die on!
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts) GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Don't agree,with it.
But hey! NICE STRAW MAN.
I said that Winger John Barrasso is calling for CBO analysis one day after thr bill was introduced hoping and praying that it will HELP REPUBLICANS and HURT DEMOCRATS, including all three putative frontrunners
AND that any Democrat who applauds Barrasso for doing so needs help.
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Was a despicable right wing nutcase's attempt to smear a popular Democratic Party initiative being applauded by a DU member.
S-T-R-A-W M-A-N
nini
(16,672 posts)If that study is done correctly the result may blow up in their faces.. 
msongs
(67,395 posts)
BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)Hypocrites! The GOP has two remaining weeks to repeal the ACA and announced their last and final attempt before the calendar expires. They never got to releasing this plan before the Skinny Bill was rejected by three votes at the end of July. Now they have had time to buy more than three votes to repeal the ACA with another bill which sends all the money to the individual states to distribute as they see fit. In other words, the red state governors and governments will be able to throw everyone who is ill, older, poor or self employed off health insurance while they dismantle health coverage at the state level and pocket the money. Same old, same old!
And NOW Mr. Hypocrite McCain is on board with them as are Collins, Heller and a few others...more than enough to successfully repeal the ACA before Oct 1st. Call Congress (202)224-3121. Do not allow them to trick us or fool us. McConnell and the GOP need a legislative win more than ever.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)to pay for it. It's unlikely, however, anyone would be taxed an amount that exceeds their current medical insurance costs. If everyone is covered, no questions asked, it's more likely you won't catch a communicable disease from the person working in the back of the restaurant who can't currently afford medical care.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...it's the easiest line, but also the weakest.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,179 posts)When Sander's plan during the primary was scored they came up with $32 Trillion over ten years and everyone gasped. But we're already paying that for only 90% of us being covered and even more not getting the care they need because the copays and deductibles are unaffordable.
Amishman
(5,556 posts)Otherwise its the same broken medical system being paid for in a new way
We need more care giving and less overhead
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Rare diseases etc are expensive to treat.
I look forward to seeing how the numbers crunch out. This currently is a bill that's not going anywhere with the current makeup of congress, and that's fine. Let's get the debate out, a CBO score and see what we can do to address concerns in the next bill.
And not to puncture your rosy picture, but you're probably going to catch a communicable disease still, we're still dealing with antibiotic resistance and community acquired diseases that are not going away, and drugs are still being handed out indiscriminately and people are still ignoring instructions.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...just so you can bash Sanders.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)than the sum total of the private healthcare and public healthcare mix the US has now.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)insurance industry adds to the equation!
But that's, like, crazy talk, isn't it?
applegrove
(118,629 posts)is the rare thing that is both more equitable and more efficient than private healthcare.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Many things perform better and more efficiently via free markets. Health care isn't one of them.
If you're having a heart attack, you're not going to shop around for the best deal on a quadruple bypass.
And it is the people suffering debilitating health crises who are LEAST able to pay for their care, because they can't work.
So simple logic- not to mention morality- dictates that insuring everyone in one giant pool makes the most sense and spreads costs most fairly.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)That is a lot of money for a country to save. Plus American firms opening sites in Canada used to mention how not being responsible for their employees healthcare was a great asset.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)They are wanting a CBO score for two reasons: (1) the taxes/funding it will require and (2) the job losses which will almost exclusively come at the expense of administrators and accountants at hospitals, care giver offices and insurance companies. All we will hear about is how the bill will cost X amount of money and how it will cause Y people to lose jobs. We have to be ready to counter with cost savings and expanded coverage.
applegrove
(118,629 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The minute Booker and Harris attached their names to something associated with Senator Sanders, the rules seem to have suddenly changed.
...odd!
JI7
(89,247 posts)to check.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Going to have cbo score ?
All they can do is make something up . . . and they would do that even if we pulled a "Vichy," didn't fight for our Party's values and just tried to negotiate favorable terms of surrender.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)If only to combat attacks on the cost/effectiveness of said plan.
JI7
(89,247 posts)In benefits and other savings
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I think it's going to get tripped up at abortions and their funding. Do I believe people are willing to put up with a substandard healthcare system, just to keep women from having access to taxpaper funded abortions or birth control? Yes. The question is are they numerous enough to keep Dems from having the numbers in the senate to pass this thing.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)have to change and go on a public plan. Also, after reading Sen. Sander's funding info... people will never support the funding needed. The ACA is real insurance. We could have added a public option or reduced the age of medicare. We actually only need a handful of votes to preserve it. It will be seen as a big mistake to go after single payer which had no chance while allowing the ACA to be repealed.
Impeach Trump
(93 posts)dsc
(52,160 posts)There will be many winners, some losers, and others largely unchanged by this. Veterans and Medicaid recipients should be largely unchanged as would serving military. People whose medical insurance are largely or entirely paid by employers would likely be losers, while most other people would gain. I presume a CBO score would show that, so big deal.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Payment is unclear. A generous plan that covers all Americans is going to require more revenue. There's no exact plan for how to pay for Sanders' bill, but he did on Wednesday afternoon release a list of potential payment options.
Among the proposals: a 7.5 percent payroll tax on employers, a 4 percent individual income tax and an array of taxes on wealthier Americans, as well as corporations. In addition, Sanders' plan says the end of big health insurance-related tax expenditures, like employers' ability to deduct insurance premiums, would save trillions of dollars.
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/14/550768280/heres-whats-in-bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill
That last sentence in the quote above is why I am so suspicious of Sanders proposal. I like the single payer concept, but Jeez where does he come up with these fictitious pots of money.
ZX86
(1,428 posts)Probably the same place Wall St., the Pentagon, MIC, Big Pharma, the banks, tech industries, and fossil fuel industry get their pots of money.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)jalan48
(13,860 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Because the very minute it comes out it's going to say something along the lines that "everybody is covered and nobody dies from not having access to health care" and I will LMFAO in Republican's face when it does. It will also say that American's will save millions upon millions on the cost of prescription drugs. This will be grand!
