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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:56 PM

Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)

No [US] citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA

From the ACLU's statement on the signing of the NDAA.

"“We are incredibly disappointed that President Obama signed this new law even though his administration had already claimed overly broad detention authority in court,” said Romero. “Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back the constitutional excesses of George Bush in the war on terror was extinguished today. Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.”"

http://ggdrafts.blogspot.com/2011/12/aclu-statement-on-obamas-signing-of.html

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No [US] citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA (Original post)	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	OP
On to the SC. The FFs sure were right when they said we would have to be forever vigilant	sabrina 1	Dec 2011	#1
What is the Gov so afraid of?	got root	Dec 2011	#2
Well,	ProSense	Dec 2011	#3
Oh those silly ACLU people.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#4
Right. Just who do they think they ARE, anyway?	bread_and_roses	Dec 2011	#6
Hey	ProSense	Dec 2011	#9
Actually, I am deeply conflicted about Citizens United.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#12
We voted for repeal not reinforcement	orpupilofnature57	Dec 2011	#5
You	ProSense	Dec 2011	#11
You got me , but they have him on Healthcare ,Tax , Defense ,Education	orpupilofnature57	Dec 2011	#14
what you call 'symbolic'	magical thyme	Dec 2011	#15
I'm ashamed of Schumer and Gillibrand ,and	orpupilofnature57	Dec 2011	#18
I love having my freedom entrusted to one man or woman's good intentions.	sabrina 1	Dec 2011	#7
It seems you didn't read the signing statement.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2011	#17
Ha-Ha-Ha! "the final word belongs to the Supreme Court"	BeHereNow	Dec 2011	#8
"Cleaning up the mess" means ending the war	bhikkhu	Dec 2011	#10
It would mean ending the War on Terror.	sabrina 1	Dec 2011	#13
"Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court"	no_hypocrisy	Dec 2011	#16
Future presidents, after detaining people forever w/o charge:	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#19
Occupy.	woo me with science	Dec 2011	#20

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:59 PM

sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)

1. On to the SC. The FFs sure were right when they said we would have to be forever vigilant

if we were to maintain our freedoms.

A very sad day for America.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:59 PM

got root (425 posts)

2. What is the Gov so afraid of?

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:02 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

3. Well,

"this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.”"

...this administration declared its intent not to misuse it, and future administrations are going to be subject to any interpretation by the courts and any changes made by Congress, such as the current bill supported by Feinstein and others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=95933

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:11 PM

Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)

4. Oh those silly ACLU people.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:14 PM

bread_and_roses (6,335 posts)

6. Right. Just who do they think they ARE, anyway?

after all, this administration "declared" it's intent "not to misuse it." What more could anyone POSSIBLY want?

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:18 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

9. Hey

"Oh those silly ACLU people"

...the supported Citizens United, but then again, so do you.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:22 PM

Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)

12. Actually, I am deeply conflicted about Citizens United.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:11 PM

orpupilofnature57 (15,472 posts)

5. We voted for repeal not reinforcement

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:21 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

11. You

"We voted for repeal not reinforcement"

...voted for every Senator who sent this bill to the President. He did his part, and rejected the interpretation of existing law claimed by some. Maybe now everyone can stop pretending that a symbolic veto would have had any impact on legislation passed with more than 80 votes in the Senate.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:39 PM

orpupilofnature57 (15,472 posts)

14. You got me , but they have him on Healthcare ,Tax , Defense ,Education

A symbol would bolster the weak knee of his own party and expose the misanthropes that obstruct him and US non stop.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:41 PM

magical thyme (14,881 posts)

15. what you call 'symbolic'

some call 'principled.'

you know, doing what is right as opposed to doing what is convenient. And for the record, I didn't vote for the senators that passed it. I vote against Maine's twins every chance I get.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:51 PM

orpupilofnature57 (15,472 posts)

18. I'm ashamed of Schumer and Gillibrand ,and

have let them know thats not why I voted for them.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:15 PM

sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)

7. I love having my freedom entrusted to one man or woman's good intentions.

Did those OWS protesters get released from the LA jail yet btw, and have they been charged? It's been weeks and the last time I called the City Council, they had 'no information' on the charges.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:43 PM

Warren Stupidity (48,181 posts)

17. It seems you didn't read the signing statement.

Obamas quarrel with this odious legislation is the restrictions it puts on the executive branch not the fact that it shreds the bill of rights. He doesn't think congress should have any say in rendering, dent ions without trial, assassinations etc.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:16 PM

BeHereNow (17,162 posts)

8. Ha-Ha-Ha! "the final word belongs to the Supreme Court"

Oh that makes me feel SOOOOOOO much better.
BHN

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:20 PM

bhikkhu (10,648 posts)

10. "Cleaning up the mess" means ending the war

...as any broad detention authority there is comes from the AUMF, the original war authorization in 2001.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:24 PM

sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)

13. It would mean ending the War on Terror.

We are at war everywhere. And we are in a permanent 'state of emergency' last time I looked at that, when it came up for review a few years ago. So, ending one of our wars on 'terror' won't restore any of our Constitutional Rights, and this bill only demonstrates that someone, whoever added these clauses, wants to make sure we don't forget how many freedoms we no longer have.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:41 PM

no_hypocrisy (42,180 posts)

16. "Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court"

Famous last words. Mr. Korematsu had similar illusions.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/supreme-court/cases/ar18.html

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 07:02 PM

Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)

19. Future presidents, after detaining people forever w/o charge:

'What's the big deal? Even the liberal Obama signed the 2011 defense bill.'

@attackerman via twitter.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 07:06 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

20. Occupy.

It has never been more important.

Reform the system. Get the damned money out of politics so we can elect someone who values the Constitution and represents the people.

This is deadly, deadly serious. We are losing our country.

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