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I can NOT understand. What is it (Original Post) pnwmom Sep 2017 OP
Hatred grinned up on social media by the GOP. They started in 2012 and never let up. applegrove Sep 2017 #1
they fallout87 Sep 2017 #3
It started when Bill ran for governor! LeftInTX Sep 2017 #4
I was less involved in us politics in the 90s. I'm sure you are right. applegrove Sep 2017 #8
I was less involved then too better Sep 2017 #12
Thank you so much because YES. n/t susanna Sep 2017 #14
They started right after Bill became president and didn't stop even today. shraby Sep 2017 #6
They probably did. applegrove Sep 2017 #9
Not that I agree with them fallout87 Sep 2017 #2
....and why do they STILL feel that way, especially now since we have that "thing" in the WH FM123 Sep 2017 #5
because she is an ambitious woman JI7 Sep 2017 #7
Brainwashing works unblock Sep 2017 #10
Fox News was born out of the Republican assault on Bill Clinton that culminated in the Monica world wide wally Sep 2017 #11
I dare you to try to calculate the $billions spent in negative "advertising." PdxSean Sep 2017 #13
Misogyny. nt Laffy Kat Sep 2017 #15
"Clintonism" is a term of contempt and derision even here on Democratic Underground. NBachers Sep 2017 #16
Sorry, but I don't have strong feelings about her either way... ihaveaquestion Sep 2017 #17
I'm not trying to start a love-her or hate-her debate. Watching her tonight, I'm just reminded pnwmom Sep 2017 #18
Something I heard in a recent interview with Sec. Clinton rang true. TexasProgresive Sep 2017 #19
We're not allowed to say on DU. Atman Sep 2017 #20
Exactly melman Sep 2017 #23
Envy, too. Ilsa Sep 2017 #21
I keep thinking about this while watching her interviews. betsuni Sep 2017 #22
IMO, a lot of it is massive weapons-grade astroturfing. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #24

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
1. Hatred grinned up on social media by the GOP. They started in 2012 and never let up.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:00 AM
Sep 2017

HILLARY!!! this and HILLARY!!! that that for 4 years straight.

better

(884 posts)
12. I was less involved then too
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:50 AM
Sep 2017

But I came of voting age in '93 and I was already very keenly aware of it, especially having grown up in the South. Fortunately, Bush 43 vetoing funding expansion for SCHIP wiped the scales from my eyes with regard to what modern Republicans are really about, and I started to recognize it for what it was. But yes, it does go back to the 90's, without even a shred of doubt.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
6. They started right after Bill became president and didn't stop even today.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:04 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe they suspected she was on her way to running for president some day so they "tainted her" as much as possible.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
2. Not that I agree with them
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:01 AM
Sep 2017

But from the ones I've talked to in my age range (millennials) she just doesn't relate to them. Plus they always bring up wall street, Bill and women, etc. Again, just reporting what I've heard over and over again.

unblock

(52,212 posts)
10. Brainwashing works
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:16 AM
Sep 2017

I know someone who voted for hillary, recognizing that trump was going to be a disaster, but insisted that there was "just something that bothered him" about hillary.

Every time I pressed him he couldn't come up with anything concrete. Finally I asked him, do you thing you just have a negative impression of her because you've seen negative coverage of her in the media for 25 years and even though they never find anything, it still leaves a negative impression?

He just looked at me like I was from another planet. People have a tough time recognizing that we're *all* human and therefore capable of being manipulated.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
11. Fox News was born out of the Republican assault on Bill Clinton that culminated in the Monica
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:20 AM
Sep 2017

Lewinski scandal and they have not let up one little bit in slandering the Clintons ever since. That is a 24/7 assault on her for about 25 years.
I don't think any of us could withstand that. Even if it is 99% bullshit.

PdxSean

(574 posts)
13. I dare you to try to calculate the $billions spent in negative "advertising."
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:53 AM
Sep 2017

My conservative estimate is that four or five billion dollars has easily been spent by right-wing media (Koch brothers,
Fox, various wing-nut authors and radio personalities, etc.) plus republican controlled government entities (Whitewater, Benghazi, Lewinsky, etc.) and "christian" leaders from the pulpit, all for the purpose of getting, slandering, berating, libeling, accusing, deriding or otherwise sewing hate towards the Clintons, especially after Hillary Clinton had the audacity to run for the Presidency.

Few humans could survive such an onslaught of hate.

And yet, she still stands. That alone is pretty amazing when ya stop to think about it.

ihaveaquestion

(2,536 posts)
17. Sorry, but I don't have strong feelings about her either way...
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:52 AM
Sep 2017

and I really don't understand people who do.

Objectively, I think she would have made a fine president and I voted for her for president (and for senator when I lived in New York). I just don't have an emotional response to her. She leaves me cold and, honestly, I'm baffled about the whole "love her or hate her" debate.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
18. I'm not trying to start a love-her or hate-her debate. Watching her tonight, I'm just reminded
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:08 AM
Sep 2017

of how reasonable, smart, calm, and thoughtful she is -- in other words, she'd have made a "fine President." And so I can't understand the vitriol.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
19. Something I heard in a recent interview with Sec. Clinton rang true.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:11 AM
Sep 2017

The interviewer made a statement that studies have shown that men and women have favorable attitudes for men who are powerful, not so for women. Clinton has always had strong leadership and organizational skills that would've propelled her into political or business stratosphere had she been an man. I would like to read these studies because other nations don't seem to have this prejudice, the UK and Germany for example.

Racism, sexism and national chauvinism seem to be printed in our genetic codes. I voted for HRC but was concerned that if she became president that the opposition to her would make that faced by President Obama for 8 years look like a cake walk. My other concern is that the haters would either not vote or vote for her opponent. I had this discussion with an elderly lady I know. She say in HRC her last chance for a woman president in her life time. I wish that all women had the same attitude, but the truth is, many women are sadly as misogynistic as many men, especially towards strong confident women who don't depend upon a man.

This may be one of the reason for calling her a lesbian. They can't wrap their puny little minds around the fact that a woman as strong as Clinton can be heterosexual. SAD!

Atman

(31,464 posts)
20. We're not allowed to say on DU.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:15 AM
Sep 2017

Seriously, I could give you a very honest answer, but it would be alerted on in 30 seconds. C'est la vie.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
23. Exactly
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:30 AM
Sep 2017

Asking this question here guarantees only one kind of response. Those the OP finds pleasing.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
21. Envy, too.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:28 AM
Sep 2017

She married a flawed (aren't we all?), but interesting, funny, loving, intelligent man with big ideas to help millions of people. She has a fabulous daughter. She came from the middle class and was in Washington early on. She tends to be successful at everything she tries, and when she isn't, she gets up and goes back to work in doing good. People envy her intellect, her abilities, and the wonderful life she has built for herself.

I admire her, not envy her, because I don't want to be in public life.

betsuni

(25,512 posts)
22. I keep thinking about this while watching her interviews.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:29 AM
Sep 2017

Are Americans especially easy targets for propaganda these days or what?

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
24. IMO, a lot of it is massive weapons-grade astroturfing.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:36 AM
Sep 2017

This business with Russia has me questioning everything I see on the Internet. EVERYTHING. Certainly every "popular" opinion.

I avoid Facebook and Twitter like the plague. The people I know who spend a lot of time on those things tell me the craziest shit I have ever heard--stuff that even the most rudimentary common sense would demonstrate is patently false.

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