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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think Hillary missed an opportunity on TRMS tonight
When Rachel laid out the scenario of it turns out that Trump and his administration actually worked with Russia during the election what should be done.
I thought Hillary was way too diplomatic.
In my opinion I think she should have said, in no uncertain terms, that if this is true then people need to be in prison for their subversion of democracy and our country. They need to be treated as enemies.
The exchange starts at about the 30 minute mark:
ffr
(22,669 posts)Yes! People who collude to undermine our democracy should be at no less than put behind bars.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)lapucelle
(18,252 posts)Treason is the only only crime specifically addressed in the Constitution.
Article 3 - The Judicial Branch
Section 3 - Treason
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)lapucelle
(18,252 posts)It is an adversary.
An "adversary" attacks us and causes chaos?
What does an "enemy" do?
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)is not necessarily the same as the everyday meaning of the same word in modern colloquial English. It does not matter what the word means to you or me in everyday English. Legal definitions are generally more precise and circumscribed. Interpretation is also informed by case law and precedent.
Anyone interested in the construction of the word "treason" (or "enemy", for that matter) in the context of the Constitution can start here.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/a3_3_1-2.html
When people are done doing the research, they can begin debating whether the language of the Constitution is best interpreted according to 18th century standards or through the prism a 21st century point of view. In other words, the discussion involves both constitutional expertise and careful consideration. The last thing we would want is for any party guilty of colluding with a foreign entity to corrupt a free and fair election to be found "not guilty" because he was charged with the wrong crime. It's best to defer to constitutional experts and scholars on matters like this.
Treason is the only crime specifically defined in the Constitution for a very good reason. The founding fathers were, after all, revolutionaries themselves. They wanted to ensure that future citizens would not be easily accused of this heinous crime in the event that the people sought redress due to government corruption, abuse. or injustice.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)engaged in a state of war with them.
Enemies are defined differently.
ENEMY, international law. By this term is understood the whole body of a nation at war with another. It also signifies a citizen or subject of such a nation, as when we say an alien enemy. In a still more extended sense, the word includes any of the subjects or citizens of a state in amity with the United States, who, have commenced, or have made preparations for commencing hostilities against the United States; and also the citizens or subjects of a state in amity with the United States, who are in the service of a state at war with them. Salk. 635; Bac. Ab. Treason, G
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The world snickered.
bigtree
(85,992 posts)Hillary: "I think this president and some of the people around him pose a clear and present danger to this country."
Internet: Hillary was way too diplomatic.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and don't have access to video right now, what did she say that was so diplomatic?
At the 30:00 minute mark it starts.
but, I can't watch video at work.