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Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:44 AM

 

I think Hillary missed an opportunity on TRMS tonight

When Rachel laid out the scenario of it turns out that Trump and his administration actually worked with Russia during the election what should be done.

I thought Hillary was way too diplomatic.

In my opinion I think she should have said, in no uncertain terms, that if this is true then people need to be in prison for their subversion of democracy and our country. They need to be treated as enemies.

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Reply I think Hillary missed an opportunity on TRMS tonight (Original post)
SHRED Sep 2017 OP
ffr Sep 2017 #1
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #2
lapucelle Sep 2017 #5
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #6
joeybee12 Sep 2017 #7
lapucelle Sep 2017 #8
SHRED Sep 2017 #11
lapucelle Sep 2017 #13
lapucelle Sep 2017 #14
ucrdem Sep 2017 #3
bigtree Sep 2017 #4
NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #9
SHRED Sep 2017 #10
NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #12

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:47 AM

1. Get thee to the greatest thread!

Yes! People who collude to undermine our democracy should be at no less than put behind bars.

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Response to ffr (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:50 AM

2. It's called treason... the penalty should be life in prison without the possibility of parole.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:13 AM

5. It may have been criminal, but it's not treason.

Treason is the only only crime specifically addressed in the Constitution.

Article 3 - The Judicial Branch
Section 3 - Treason

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 07:20 AM

6. Sure sounds to me like adhering to our enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 07:27 AM

7. Me too. Nt

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:24 AM

8. Russia is not our enemy.

It is an adversary.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:12 PM

11. I see

 

An "adversary" attacks us and causes chaos?

What does an "enemy" do?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 05:56 PM

13. The constitutional construction of a particular word

is not necessarily the same as the everyday meaning of the same word in modern colloquial English. It does not matter what the word means to you or me in everyday English. Legal definitions are generally more precise and circumscribed. Interpretation is also informed by case law and precedent.

Anyone interested in the construction of the word "treason" (or "enemy", for that matter) in the context of the Constitution can start here.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/a3_3_1-2.html

When people are done doing the research, they can begin debating whether the language of the Constitution is best interpreted according to 18th century standards or through the prism a 21st century point of view. In other words, the discussion involves both constitutional expertise and careful consideration. The last thing we would want is for any party guilty of colluding with a foreign entity to corrupt a free and fair election to be found "not guilty" because he was charged with the wrong crime. It's best to defer to constitutional experts and scholars on matters like this.

Treason is the only crime specifically defined in the Constitution for a very good reason. The founding fathers were, after all, revolutionaries themselves. They wanted to ensure that future citizens would not be easily accused of this heinous crime in the event that the people sought redress due to government corruption, abuse. or injustice.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:48 PM

14. Adversaries work against our interests; We are not, however,

engaged in a state of war with them.

Enemies are defined differently.

ENEMY, international law. By this term is understood the whole body of a nation at war with another. It also signifies a citizen or subject of such a nation, as when we say an alien enemy. In a still more extended sense, the word includes any of the subjects or citizens of a state in amity with the United States, who, have commenced, or have made preparations for commencing hostilities against the United States; and also the citizens or subjects of a state in amity with the United States, who are in the service of a state at war with them. Salk. 635; Bac. Ab. Treason, G




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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:28 AM

3. She called it a vast right wing conspiracy twenty years ago.

The world snickered.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:38 AM

4. Internet: Why is Hillary still talking about the election?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:25 AM

9. Since I did not see the show

and don't have access to video right now, what did she say that was so diplomatic?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:53 AM

10. Here

 


At the 30:00 minute mark it starts.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:40 PM

12. thanks

but, I can't watch video at work.

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